Hwy 99 Fraser River Tunnel (George Massey Replacement) | Proposed

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Changing City

More like 35 years. Starting in 1990 until 2006 Vancouver Land Corporation, and then Concert Properties (and their predecessor, Greystone) had developed 1,917 condominium and 783 rental units.

That link has this tidbit:

$89,000 to $500,000 (1990 to 2006). The average new selling price was $339,948 in 2004.

[Repthe250]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

They built 2 skytrain extensions and the Patullo Bridge? New St. Paul's Hospital? New Surrey Hospital?

You could give them Site C but I won't.

They have different priorities to be sure. It's not like the NDP is afraid of spending money.

The Liberals did all that and then some. And we were in a much better spot economically then, too. Who can we give credit to, for that??

To compare apples to oranges, let’s take a look at all the things the liberals built in a ten year span, whilst boasting and maintaining one of the, if not the, best economy in the country at the time, shall we?

The Port Mann
The Sea to Sky upgrades
The Pitt River Bridge
The Golden Ears
The evergreen line
The Canada Line
BC Place upgrades
Highway 17 (albeit, under-built IMO)
Surrey General
Jim Pattison outpatient centre
The Bennet Bridge in Kelowna
Highway 97 twinning and Oyama bypass in Lake Country
Royal Inland Hospital upgrades in Kamloops

I’m sure I’m forgetting a few. Not to mention the projects the Liberals proposed that the NDP have shelved (because I already have).
Now, our economy is in shambles and we have no one to blame but David Eby.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Repthe250

The Liberals did all that and then some. And we were in a much better spot economically then, too. Who can we give credit to, for that??

To compare apples to oranges, let’s take a look at all the things the liberals built in a ten year span, whilst boasting and maintaining one of the, if not the, best economy in the country at the time, shall we?

The Port Mann
The Sea to Sky upgrades
The Pitt River Bridge
The Golden Ears
The evergreen line
The Canada Line
BC Place upgrades
Highway 17 (albeit, under-built IMO)
Surrey General
Jim Pattison outpatient centre
The Bennet Bridge in Kelowna
Highway 97 twinning and Oyama bypass in Lake Country
Royal Inland Hospital upgrades in Kamloops

I’m sure I’m forgetting a few. Not to mention the projects the Liberals proposed that the NDP have shelved (because I already have).
Now, our economy is in shambles and we have no one to blame but David Eby.

They twinned large sections of the Cariboo Connector and twinned the Fraser River Bridge in Prince George.
Twinned highway 11 in Abbotsford.
Twinned highway 15.
The new Convention Centre in Downtown Vancouver.
The new / majorly upgraded hospitals in Vernon and Kelowna.
They started the highway 1 twinning program, starting with the new Yoho Bridge.
Etc…

The idea of giving the NDP credit for site C, a project they were thinking of potentially stopping, is hilarious.

LNG, the highway 1 expansion currently u/c (delayed about five years by the NDP), the new Sunbury interchange, etc… are / were all projects spearheaded / started by the Liberals, so NDP don’t get full credit for any of those either.

I knew the NDP were going to be dodgy on highways, and I’m happy that the UBC subway and Expo extension got moving, but I was honestly hoping for so much more from them regarding transit.

A decade in I was seriously expecting at least on of the following: Island commuter rail, Victoria LRT, Whistler rail, Fraser Valley rail.

Honestly, at least one bold transit initiative, but nope, instead we got open drug use failures, DRIPA failures, and shelved projects.

[Mininari]

The Brunette / Highway One Interchange improvement project was launched by the BC Liberals following the completion of the PMH1 project. Big ideas were put forward on the complex movements between Blue Mountain Rd, Brunette Ave, Hwy 1, and United Boulevard. It was in the scope of $150M at the time.

Then the NDP took over and quietly shelved that project. In fairness its a complex project with many parts... I'd say this project is in a tomb now.

NDP = Never Development Pavement? (because we need a new acronym every day!)

[officedweller]

The Brunette interchange replacement was tied to the North Fraser Perimeter Road project, that was cancelled, and which included the United Boulevard Extension.
There was also talk of Blue Mountain Highway being the new interchange (tying into United Boulevard) instead of Brunette.

There are some diagrams of the United Boulevard Extension in this blog:
https://voony.wordpress.com/category/north-fraser-perimeter-road/

and a story about the United Boulevard Extension being cancelled:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c...s-major-road-expansion-on-hold-1.1066143

[Repthe250]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

They twinned large sections of the Cariboo Connector and twinned the Fraser River Bridge in Prince George.
Twinned highway 11 in Abbotsford.
Twinned highway 15.
The new Convention Centre in Downtown Vancouver.
The new / majorly upgraded hospitals in Vernon and Kelowna.
They started the highway 1 twinning program, starting with the new Yoho Bridge.
Etc…

The idea of giving the NDP credit for site C, a project they were thinking of potentially stopping, is hilarious.

LNG, the highway 1 expansion currently u/c (delayed about five years by the NDP), the new Sunbury interchange, etc… are / were all projects spearheaded / started by the Liberals, so NDP don’t get full credit for any of those either.

I knew the NDP were going to be dodgy on highways, and I’m happy that the UBC subway and Expo extension got moving, but I was honestly hoping for so much more from them regarding transit.

A decade in I was seriously expecting at least on of the following: Island commuter rail, Victoria LRT, Whistler rail, Fraser Valley rail.

Honestly, at least one bold transit initiative, but nope, instead we got open drug use failures, DRIPA failures, and shelved projects.

And, to beat a dead horse, the “UBC” subway doesn’t even go to UBC! It ends at Arbutus. NDP literally does everything half assed, if at all. Such a fuckin’ disgrace. NDP = No Damn Progress.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Repthe250

... whilst boasting and maintaining one of the, if not the, best economy in the country at the time, shall we?

This one's a myth - they covered for their deficits by raiding ICBC's budget, among other things.

[officedweller]

George Harvey, the Mayor of Delta, is ringing the alarm after safety concerns were raised by the fired contractor of the Massey Tunnel replacement project.

In an interview with CityNews, he calls on the provincial government to answer questions about whether building a new tunnel next to the old one is safe for the existing crossing.

“We have always been very worried about risk to that tunnel while construction, whether it was a bridge or a tunnel, was happening,” he said.

Harvie calls the concerns raised by the previous contractor about building a new tunnel next to the existing crossing very serious.

“The reason that the province cancelled the contracts with the [Cross Fraser Partnership] was the fact that they could not find a solution to the possibility of risk to the existing tunnel by constructing a new tunnel next to it, and it actually has to be buried a lot deeper than the current tunnel,” the mayor explained.

“Then you have all these problems with regards to possible slippage.”
...

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2026/06/30...firing-massey-tunnel-project-contractor/

[vanman]

Unbelievable.

[Metro-One]

Going to need some more popcorn over here!

[Vantage]

This project is gonna end up being a big mess many people won't soon forget.

[libtard]

One of the benefits of the current tunnel compared to a bridge like the Alex Fraser is the approaches are less steep. But that article said the new tunnel needs to be buried much deeper meaning the approaches will be steeper too?

[bluefox]

Originally Posted by libtard

One of the benefits of the current tunnel compared to a bridge like the Alex Fraser is the approaches are less steep. But that article said the new tunnel needs to be buried much deeper meaning the approaches will be steeper too?

Can't do steeper, that will be a disaster if a truck's brakes fail. They'd do longer approaches at the same grade.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by bluefox

Can't do steeper, that will be a disaster if a truck's brakes fail. They'd do longer approaches at the same grade.

Something, something, tunnel was supposed to have shorter approaches than a bridge?

[madog222]

Originally Posted by libtard

One of the benefits of the current tunnel compared to a bridge like the Alex Fraser is the approaches are less steep. But that article said the new tunnel needs to be buried much deeper meaning the approaches will be steeper too?

Shorter approach, not less steep. The GMT approaches are steeper than at the AFB.
Take ten seconds to look at the renders and you would see that the tunnel portals are significantly further away from the river bank than the existing.

Originally Posted by chowhou

Something, something, tunnel was supposed to have shorter approaches than a bridge?

Well duh, it’s not going to be 60 meters below surface level.

[madog222]

The five key contracts are: the immersed tube tunnel and the south portal on Deas Island; the north portal in Richmond; finishing works for the tunnel (paving, mechanical, electrical and plumbing); the new Deas Slough Bridge; and highways and civil works.

Procurement for the first two contracts was initiated June 16 and is design-bid-build with target price contracts.

https://canada.constructconnect.com/joc/...ey-tunnel-after-b-c-looks-for-a-new-deal

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by madog222

Well duh, it’s not going to be 60 meters below surface level.

Says who? If it's true that it would have to be buried/bored tunnel for engineering safety, the river depth is 22m, the industry standard TBM for a 8 lane tunnel seems to be 17m and the ceiling of the tunnel will have to be some depth below the river bottom. Who's to say it wouldn't be 60 metres below surface level?

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Says who? If it's true that it would have to be buried/bored tunnel for engineering safety, the river depth is 22m, the industry standard TBM for a 8 lane tunnel seems to be 17m and the ceiling of the tunnel will have to be some depth below the river bottom. Who's to say it wouldn't be 60 metres below surface level?

The article linked above says "Under the new re-tendering process, the project will be broken into five different parcels and Requests for Qualifications have been issued to identify qualified proponents for phases of the project, according to the BC transportation ministry.

The five key contracts are: the immersed tube tunnel and the south portal on Deas Island; the north portal in Richmond; finishing works for the tunnel (paving, mechanical, electrical and plumbing); the new Deas Slough Bridge; and highways and civil works."

The plan seems to be to keep the project unchanged overall, but split it into separate contracts that Canadian contractors can more easily bid for. The previous contractor was a mix of French, Spanish and Canadian businesses. The Canadian business, Pomerleau, are still planning to be involved.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by Changing City

The article linked above says "Under the new re-tendering process, the project will be broken into five different parcels and Requests for Qualifications have been issued to identify qualified proponents for phases of the project, according to the BC transportation ministry.

The five key contracts are: the immersed tube tunnel and the south portal on Deas Island; the north portal in Richmond; finishing works for the tunnel (paving, mechanical, electrical and plumbing); the new Deas Slough Bridge; and highways and civil works."

The plan seems to be to keep the project unchanged overall, but split it into separate contracts that Canadian contractors can more easily bid for. The previous contractor was a mix of French, Spanish and Canadian businesses. The Canadian business, Pomerleau, are still planning to be involved.

Cool, I am commenting on the Delta mayor's statement but go off I guess.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Cool, I am commenting on the Delta mayor's statement but go off I guess.

I don't think the Mayor of Delta has suggested a bored tunnel as an alternative solution. It was considered previously and rejected as being too expensive - it was suggested to be three times the price of the buried tunnel that was chosen.

There's a lot of things being said by politicians, and would be politicians in Delta, - there's an ugly split on Council and three people already running for mayor.