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Old Posted May 9, 2026, 2:45 PM
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I remember many years ago, my wife and I (plus a crew of friends) went to Baton Rouge to watch the Tide play. We were sittng between the uprights in the endzone on row 2. Pregame, the LSU band gathered in front of us and assumed their formation. Then, they started marching onto the field, slowly, away from us. The horns turned in unison to the home side, while they continued to march, and belted out the "Hold that Tiger". The crowd went wild. Then, as they continuned to march slowly, the horns turned to the other side of the field and belted out another "Hold that Tiger". I'll have to say, the hair was standing up on my head. LOL It was a cool sight to see. By the way, we beat their ass on the field. RTR

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Old Posted May 9, 2026, 10:35 PM
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Just a year ago... https://1819news.com/news/item/stunning-...t-auburn-university-office-of-admissions

Some of the alleged illegal activilty has been in AU's reportng of of statistics of their entering freshmen classes and other statistics.

Again, for some reason, the questions die down and the problem is swept under the rug. It happens nowhere more than Auburn University.

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Old Posted May 11, 2026, 1:05 PM
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Just a fun FYI as far as selectivity goes.

I was in the Million Dollar Band for 4 great years (2007 - 2011)... ok, maybe 2011 wasn't the best football season, but I digress...

When I arrived, the MDB was squarely focused on have the "400 outstanding men and women" on the field, everyone got in; which, I'll tell you presents plenty of challenges when it comes to marching, there's only so much room on the field. For years and years the # on the field was the focus. It may, yet, still be, but the MDB is becoming more selective. This year (27' football season) the band has received hundreds more applications than there are spaces (meaning they finally put a cap on the # of members), and they're actually taking skill into consideration when it comes to membership. LSU has done this for decades, and they are an outstanding band; though, their fans leave a lot to be desired... Needless to say, meeting the quality of a band like LSU is a higher bar than has been reached for, for a while.

Just for shits and gigs, ranked, the top 5 bands in the SEC are considered:

1) LSU
2) Alabama
3) Tennessee
4) Georgia
5) Auburn

I won't go into details about how we'd rank nationally... the Big Ten has a monopoly on great marching bands.
Do you mind going into the bold "Big Ten has a monopoly..." comment? I've always noticed that the difference physically between the students in the band for both conferences is stark to put it nicely. I think the MDB is great but I'd like to see a better halftime performance like they do at Ohio State ( I know it's not fair to compare to them).
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Old Posted May 11, 2026, 1:56 PM
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Do you mind going into the bold "Big Ten has a monopoly..." comment? I've always noticed that the difference physically between the students in the band for both conferences is stark to put it nicely. I think the MDB is great but I'd like to see a better halftime performance like they do at Ohio State ( I know it's not fair to compare to them).
I got a closeup view of the MDB several years ago, and was shocked to see so many pasty, fat, or just unhealthy looking students. A fit marching band that is able to do move with agility would be awesome. Are you saying the Ohio State MB students are more fit?
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Old Posted May 11, 2026, 2:23 PM
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I got a closeup view of the MDB several years ago, and was shocked to see so many pasty, fat, or just unhealthy looking students. A fit marching band that is able to do move with agility would be awesome. Are you saying the Ohio State MB students are more fit?
That's exactly what I'm saying. The amount of morbidly obese band members at Alabama and other SEC schools is alarming. Compare that to the Big Ten bands and it's a huge difference
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Old Posted May 11, 2026, 7:07 PM
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That's exactly what I'm saying. The amount of morbidly obese band members at Alabama and other SEC schools is alarming. Compare that to the Big Ten bands and it's a huge difference

If you think about how much money has been spent getting football fans to "get their vaccines," yet how no money has been spent to propagandize fitness, it should make you question if our leaders really care about the health of our nation. NO reason they can't pay coaches, SEC coach wives, star players, to do PSAs to encourage healthy eating and lifestyle habits. Imagine if Miss Terry and the Auburn coach's wife had been paid by the Alabama Dept of Public Health to team up on a PSA to advocate for healthier choices in diet. If Coach Saban can sell coke, why can't he and other beloved personalities be paid to encourage fans to get fit? I wish UA made a physical and mental fitness class a requirement in the curriculum. Even the fittest state in the nation, Colorado, is now more obese than Mississippi was in 1990.

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I will say, obesity doesn't much affect your ability to march. It's true, there are bound to be more obese individuals in the MDB than say Michigan's band, but that has more to do with a culture's diet than anything.

As chad requested, I'll try and provide information regarding the differences between marching bands in different conferences. There is a stark difference in how marching is taught in grade school. Some states put an emphasis on marching bands throughout the school year, some states put an emphasis concert band over marching, and some don't seem to care much to march at all; there was a guy from Utah in my section that had never marched at all when he got to Alabama, he actually turned out to be pretty good at it all things considered.

More locally, Tennessee puts a greater emphasis on marching than they do concert season. In Alabama, bands are evaluated by the state-level director entity by their concert performance, not their marching performance. If I'm not mistaken, in Tennessee they're evaluated by their marching performance; that was my understanding in high school.

I'm not familiar with how bands in The North or Midwest are evaluated in high school, so I couldn't tell you if that has any bearing on their abilities. But, I think it would be a safe assumption to say that Northern/Midwestern bands probably put more of a focus on marching than we do.
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Old Posted May 13, 2026, 2:30 PM
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UA ranked #12 in the "Best Alumni Networks (Public Schools)"

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Old Posted May 14, 2026, 1:00 PM
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I hope each of you has the chance to meet Dr. Mohler and hear him speak. He is very approachable and has a very clear vision of what UA should do and become to serve not just Alabama, but the nation. He asked us for help in implementing his vision.

Here are the main points of his brief talk:

1) UA is moving away from emphasizing enrollment size. I will come back to this as his answer to my question about selectivity was good to hear.
2) He asked for help in attracting more of Atlanta's top students. He said we need to get them back, implying UA has dropped the ball in recent years in recruitment of Atlanta area students. Too many he said are going to GA schools.
3) He wants UA to be a leader in how to use AI in an ethical manner. Before his talk I asked if UA would be working on making AI less of an imposition on communities in terms of resource consumption and he said yes, and that the university will develop IP to address such issues.
4) He wants to increase enrollment in Nursing and wants UA to graduate more teachers for K-12.
5) He wants students experiencing their field of study in the workplace before graduating.
6) He wants students across many disciplines to be able to learn to be effective leaders via the new Leadership and Policy College.

7) in the Q and A I said I assumed that UA was going to become more selective in admissions given his first statement about enrollment no longer being what alumni hear most about going forward. I suggested UA work with junior colleges and directional schools to encourage students who have proven themselves, to transfer to UA. He agreed that is a good strategy, but more importantly, that UA wants to dramatically increase graduation rates and that standardized tests help predict success and that they will be used largely to determine who needs help the most.

He said UA is now offerng FREE test prep for any applicant to UA, which indicates to me he wants to help less advantaged high school students AND he wants UA to be able to be more selective.

Later in a one on one brief discussion, I told him that I thought UA was too easy to get into and he shook his head, seemingly in agreement and reiterated what I said in the Q and A about students needing to prove themselves to transfer to UA. He brought that phrase up back up without me saying it again.

I told him that he is the transformational leader UA has needed, for which he expressed humble gratitude. Dude is legit. Please support him.
Here is my update from last night in Decatur for the Huntsville, Decatur, Athens meeting:

He touched on a lot of what Atlanta mentioned but had a more region specific speech.

1.) He mentioned that we are not going to increase in size, if anything, we will decrease in numbers. This isn't surprising as he has mentioned that before and goes along with what Atlanta mentioned

2.) He touted the two new schools at the University. The Leadership and Policy college and the Data Analytics and AI college. Mentioned that there is a need for all colleges to at least take a few classes from each college if we want to be a more well-rounded institution

3.) Emphasized the need to recruit more in-state. I was happy to hear that, but I was a little disappointed in his lack of details on how to do that and not exactly answering my question at the end. I will get to that

Everything else that Atlanta mentioned above is what he went over last night so I won't go into that.

For my personal Q & A: I asked about the Research centers in Huntsville and how that is affecting the recruitment of students in Huntsville. I asked if UA has any plans on joining the circus so UA has more presence in the area. I even suggested going in with UAH to sort of combine resources. My disappointment was that UA will have a presence in Huntsville, but he didn't answer anything about the research center. So for those of us that was asking about it a few pages back, looks like we still aren't wanting to be competitive with Georgia Tech or AU in Huntsville anytime soon.

Overall, I think he is going to do some fantastic things for the University and I am thrilled that he is our President. I'm sure it will take some time for him and his administration to start making some in-roads in the state attracting students to my liking but I will just have to be more patient.
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Old Posted May 14, 2026, 8:26 PM
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I think that both of you guy's questions are not ignored, even if it may seem that way. I think they are noted. So, keep asking questions. I believe, as for the Engineering School recruitment, we have seen the rep of the School rise significantly in the last few years and, with the new data center opening and more research dollars pouring in, kids all over the state and region will take notice. RTR

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Old Posted May 16, 2026, 2:06 AM
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Here is my update from last night in Decatur for the Huntsville, Decatur, Athens meeting:

He touched on a lot of what Atlanta mentioned but had a more region specific speech.

1.) He mentioned that we are not going to increase in size, if anything, we will decrease in numbers. This isn't surprising as he has mentioned that before and goes along with what Atlanta mentioned

2.) He touted the two new schools at the University. The Leadership and Policy college and the Data Analytics and AI college. Mentioned that there is a need for all colleges to at least take a few classes from each college if we want to be a more well-rounded institution

3.) Emphasized the need to recruit more in-state. I was happy to hear that, but I was a little disappointed in his lack of details on how to do that and not exactly answering my question at the end. I will get to that

Everything else that Atlanta mentioned above is what he went over last night so I won't go into that.

For my personal Q & A: I asked about the Research centers in Huntsville and how that is affecting the recruitment of students in Huntsville. I asked if UA has any plans on joining the circus so UA has more presence in the area. I even suggested going in with UAH to sort of combine resources. My disappointment was that UA will have a presence in Huntsville, but he didn't answer anything about the research center. So for those of us that was asking about it a few pages back, looks like we still aren't wanting to be competitive with Georgia Tech or AU in Huntsville anytime soon.

Overall, I think he is going to do some fantastic things for the University and I am thrilled that he is our President. I'm sure it will take some time for him and his administration to start making some in-roads in the state attracting students to my liking but I will just have to be more patient.

I did not hear him say UA may shrink its enrollment. However, I may have missed that. Nevertheless, I did hear him say that no one will be denied admission just because he or she did not score above a certain number, so not sure how UA will become more selective. How would that work? Perhaps they will lean much more on GPA and hold those who score below a certain ACT/SAT number to a higher GPA standard. So maybe he is being a little sneaky with his words. I did see him agree with me with a firm nod when I said I thought UA was too easy to get into, so I am feeling hopeful that we will see the admission bar rise, even if indirectly by making something like GPA much more important.

Another curiosity is how the school enrollment will not continue to increase if Nursing doubles in size and UA also enrolls more Education, Physical Therapy and Occupational students, along with more STEM students. He specifically mentioned a need to graduate more Nursing, Education, Physical and Occupational and Data Science/AI students.
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The University of Florida likes what the University of Alabama has been doing. RTR

https://news.ufl.edu/2026/05/presidential-announcement/
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The University of Florida likes what the University of Alabama has been doing. RTR

https://news.ufl.edu/2026/05/presidential-announcement/
Yeah saw that and was surprised as I thought he was aiming to go to his alma mater at Texas A&M. I wish him luck
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The University of Florida likes what the University of Alabama has been doing. RTR

https://news.ufl.edu/2026/05/presidential-announcement/
This seems like a major downgrade for UF. Probably a political decision. Bell backtracked on DEI and that may have attracted state leaders in FL. Don't forget they hired Ben Sasse a few years ago. That never made sense to me, unless FL state leaders were looking to make a U turn on "wokeness," which they now equate to opposition to Israel.

I will never understand what people saw in Bell. UA fell dramatically in the academic rankings and the quality of the freshman class declined based on avg standardized scores. The six year grad rate failed to rise much too. He was a lukewarm promoter of UA. He fell in line with DEI when it was popular, and fell out when it was not. Weak leader. SOOO glad he is gone.
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Yeah saw that and was surprised as I thought he was aiming to go to his alma mater at Texas A&M. I wish him luck
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UA named new provost

https://news.ua.edu/2026/05/reid-selecte...NTUkbzEkZzAkdDE3NzkyMTQ2NTUkajYwJGwwJGgw

I found this interesting:
Reid’s work examining long-term trends in crime across U.S. communities has been widely cited and discussed in both academic and public-facing outlets, including the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, the Atlantic, the BBC and Scientific American."

Wonder if she can work with the mayor and the police department to make Tuscaloosa safer. Our violent crime per 1K is towards the top (or bottom depending on your viewpoint) in the SEC
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UA named new provost

https://news.ua.edu/2026/05/reid-selecte...NTUkbzEkZzAkdDE3NzkyMTQ2NTUkajYwJGwwJGgw

I found this interesting:
Reid’s work examining long-term trends in crime across U.S. communities has been widely cited and discussed in both academic and public-facing outlets, including the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, the Atlantic, the BBC and Scientific American."

Wonder if she can work with the mayor and the police department to make Tuscaloosa safer. Our violent crime per 1K is towards the top (or bottom depending on your viewpoint) in the SEC
Crime is down in Tuscaloosa. Only one homicide in the city, so far, this year. One is too many, but, much less than the National average. It's hard to prevent some crimes. You just need a great police department to respond and bring perpetrators to justice. RTR
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This seems like a major downgrade for UF. Probably a political decision. Bell backtracked on DEI and that may have attracted state leaders in FL. Don't forget they hired Ben Sasse a few years ago. That never made sense to me, unless FL state leaders were looking to make a U turn on "wokeness," which they now equate to opposition to Israel.

I will never understand what people saw in Bell. UA fell dramatically in the academic rankings and the quality of the freshman class declined based on avg standardized scores. The six year grad rate failed to rise much too. He was a lukewarm promoter of UA. He fell in line with DEI when it was popular, and fell out when it was not. Weak leader. SOOO glad he is gone.
I side with Coach Saban on this one. Other Universities have taken notice of the growth in quality of the University of Alabama through the last decade. It's no surprise that only 31% (and dropping) of Colleges and Universities respond to US News and World Report's annual reputation survey these days. US News and WR is the organization that is dropping in reputation. The Universities know better. And, so do prospective students. RTR

https://www.al.com/news/2026/05/nick-sab...right-choice-with-this-alabama-hire.html

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I side with Coach Saban on this one. Other Universities have taken notice of the growth in quality of the University of Alabama through the last decade. It's no surprise that only 31% (and dropping) of Colleges and Universities respond to US News and World Report's annual survey these days. US News and WR is the organization that is dropping in reputation. The Universities know better. And, so do prospective students. RTR

https://www.al.com/news/2026/05/nick-sab...right-choice-with-this-alabama-hire.html
Which flagships have stopped responding to USNWR? I don't see a single SEC school that has done so. I googled your assertion. In fact, here are the only Universities that have ceased reporting for the Undergrad ranking:

"Undergraduate Institutions

While the majority of universities still participate in the flagship undergraduate rankings, several notable institutions have withdrawn their undergraduate programs:Columbia University (withdrew in 2023), Colorado College, Rhode Island School of Design, Bard College"

A significant number of Grad and Law programs HAVE stopped participating, but very few for the Undergrad ranking.

Also, it is an objective fact that the quality of the freshman classes declined under Bell. Saban knows football. He does not know academics. I am sure he became friends with Bell, so good for him for supporting his friend. UA WAS growing with quality under Witt and for a few years after, but by the mid to late 2010s, the increase in quality stalled and began to backtrack. Just reality. UA used to have a higher top 25th percentile of incoming freshmen, so what happened? UA never stopped admitting any of the bottom 25th percentile and failed to attract as many of the top 25th percentile as before. USNWR uses almost entirely objective criteria and UA's low selectivity directly and indirectly impacted its score. UA used COVID and "racism" as an excuse to make standardized testing optional. Dr. Mohr is bringing it back. Auburn already has. How embarrassing.

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Which flagships have stopped responding to USNWR? I don't see a single SEC school that has done so. I googled your assertion. In fact, here are the only Universities that have ceased reporting for the Undergrad ranking:

"Undergraduate Institutions

While the majority of universities still participate in the flagship undergraduate rankings, several notable institutions have withdrawn their undergraduate programs:Columbia University (withdrew in 2023), Colorado College, Rhode Island School of Design, Bard College"

A significant number of Grad and Law programs HAVE stopped participating, but very few for the Undergrad ranking.

Also, it is an objective fact that the quality of the freshman classes declined under Bell. Saban knows football. He does not know academics. I am sure he became friends with Bell, so good for him for supporting his friend. UA WAS growing with quality under Witt and for a few years after, but by the mid to late 2010s, the increase in quality stalled and began to backtrack. Just reality. UA used to have a higher top 25th percentile of incoming freshmen, so what happened? UA never stopped admitting any of the bottom 25th percentile and failed to attract as many of the top 25th percentile as before. USNWR uses almost entirely objective criteria and UA's low selectivity directly and indirectly impacted its score. UA used COVID and "racism" as an excuse to make standardized testing optional. Dr. Mohr is bringing it back. Auburn already has. How embarrassing.
This link is to official data from the University of Alabama. Check out page 6. Dr. Witt's final class entered the Fall of 2011. As you can see, that freshmen class had ACT scores (22 in 25th percentile and 30 in the 75th percentile). Dr. Bell's last class was the Fall of 2024. Again, as you can see, that freshmen class had ACT scores (24 in the 25th percentile and 31 in the 75th percentile). And, that 75th percentile in Bell's final class came from a much larger freshmen class. Again, I side with Coach Saban and the University of Florida Board of Reagents on this one. RTR

https://uasystem.edu/images/documents/impact/Data%20Summary%202025-26.pdf

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