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Old Posted Apr 21, 2026, 12:18 AM
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That new name is so stupid. I'm not even changing the thread title, it's embarrassing.


I don't hate it, but it defo doesn't deserve a thread change until they actually break ground. Somehow "by the end of the year" doesn't inspire confidence. That said, the updated details in the article all sound positive.
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2026, 2:43 AM
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That new name is so stupid. I'm not even changing the thread title, it's embarrassing.
Yeah, I agree. It sounds like a cheap rebranding to remain relevant since it's seemingly taking forever to move.

Funny how arro "symbolizes strength, precision, and the ability to hit targets with remarkable accuracy" - yet, it doesn't appear to have hit its target with any accuracy.
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2026, 2:42 PM
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I don't hate it, but it defo doesn't deserve a thread change until they actually break ground. Somehow "by the end of the year" doesn't inspire confidence. That said, the updated details in the article all sound positive.
I recall an article before stating that construction would start after the second quarter. Now it's the end of the year, just wondering.
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2026, 4:30 PM
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I'm not a fan of the new name, but I'm impressed that they've signed Pretty Decent Concepts as a tenant. So far, PDC's bets on urban locations in Phoenix and Tempe appear to be paying off.
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2026, 5:24 PM
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That new name is so stupid. I'm not even changing the thread title, it's embarrassing.
Wouldn’t be surprised if the name changes yet again as the project nears completion in the construction process, we’ve seen it far to many times in other projects.
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2026, 11:10 PM
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Phoenix Business Journal
This afternoon - more information

$675M downtown tower expects to break ground by early 2027
Included in the development will be a 250-key luxury lifestyle hotel to be called The Optimist

By Angela Gonzales – Senior Reporter, Phoenix Business Journal
Updated Apr 21, 2026 4:12pm MST


Story Highlights

What’s This?
A long-awaited downtown residential project with twin towers and hotel expects to break ground by early 2027
Project from Empire Group known as Astra now rebranded as Arro
Valley restaurant group signs on as tenant to create eatery, nightlife space in main tower. With financing hurdles finally cleared, groundbreaking is expected by early next year for a $675 million project that will become Arizona's tallest tower.

Rebranded as Arro, the 1.8 million-square-foot development will encompass two towers in downtown Phoenix. The north tower will be 541 feet tall and the south tower next door will be 425 tall.

The project's working name had been Astra since Phoenix Business Journal first reported on Empire Group of Cos.' vision for the development in August 2019. At the time, total development costs were expected to be around $350 million for the 2.18-acre development on Second Avenue between Van Buren and Fillmore streets.

At the time, the tallest of the two buildings was envisioned to be 525 feet, which even at that height would have overshadowed the former Chase Tower building, which sits at 483 feet at the southeast corner of Van Buren and Central Avenue in the heart of downtown Phoenix.

Included in the development will be a 250-key luxury lifestyle hotel to be called The Optimist. That hotel will be part of the taller north tower and is expected to be flagged by a major global brand, which will be announced at a later date, said Geoffrey Jacobs, managing partner of Aspirant Development, the luxury urban infill division of Scottsdale-based Empire Group.

Aspirant is also partnering with Phoenix-based Pretty Decent Concepts to develop and operate a multi-level restaurant and nightlife experience atop the north tower.

The 16,000-square-foot restaurant space will occupy the top two floors of the building that will offer unobstructed views of metro Phoenix.

Financing hurdles had delayed Empire Group project
The north tower will include 380 residential units while the south tower will include a 275-unit luxury co-living component and a 150,000-square-foot office space.

Arro is expected to be permit-ready by the end of 2026, with an anticipated three-year construction timeline.

Given the complex nature of the project — with two towers and multiple levels of underground parking — groundbreaking could very well slip into early next year, Jacobs told Phoenix Business Journal.

"Even assuming we are permit-ready by the end of the year, the general contractor, subcontractor, utility and city coordination for a project of this scale and complexity could easily take a few months prior to starting construction," Jacobs said.

Challenges in the financing market delayed the project, which at one point was scheduled to break ground during Q2 2025.

Financing is still actively being pulled together while the design of the project is ongoing, Jacobs said.

"This is consistent with how we raise and deploy capital with all of our projects," he said.

Arro is part of $1.35 billion in total development costs Empire Group is juggling across four apartment towers — along with another $1.07 billion in build-to-rent projects totaling 3,500 units across 15 properties in metro Phoenix.

Financing for new construction of multifamily has been more challenging in recent years for a few reasons. For one, interest rates have not come down, said Pete O'Neil, national director of research for Northmarq.

"There has been a lot of expectation that interest rates would trend lower and we haven't seen that," O'Neil said. "Longer-term interest rates like the 10-year Treasury or short-term interest rates like SOFR or the Fed Funds rate are only about 15-30 basis points lower than they were a year ago."

Another potential challenge for financing is the perception that a lot of multifamily markets across the country are overbuilt and capital providers are being more cautious about developing new projects in the current environment, O'Neil said.

"It's also tougher to underwrite new development deals in an environment like the one we're in where rents are either flat or have come down," he said. "Developers have to project where they think the rents will be when the project comes online, and in times like we're in currently — where rents have declined in recent years — projecting what rents will be when the project begins leasing is a challenge."

Downtown rental demand still holds up
While there has been a lot of construction lately in the downtown Phoenix and Roosevelt Row areas, it appears that renter demand is strong in those areas, O'Neil said.

"The downtown area has been posting pretty steady and healthy absorption for the past few years, with some of the highest absorption totals in the fourth quarter of last year and the first quarter of this year," O'Neil said. " So, supply has been active, but there's definitely some demand there too. That's probably a sign that things could improve if the properties downtown can continue to attract renters."

Monthly rental rates are averaging around $2,000 downtown, about $500 a month higher than the metro Phoenix average, O'Neil said.

The downtown and Roosevelt Row areas are showing higher vacancy rates than the rest of metro Phoenix, O'Neil said.

"Vacancy rates for stabilized properties in the area are around 10%, and if you factor properties that are in lease up, that number is closer to 20%," O'Neil said.

Connor Devereux, senior director of market analytics for CoStar Group/Homes.com, said the downtown core offers the right lifestyle for young professionals.

"The area has a growing amenity base of restaurants, bars and entertainment, and young professionals value the live/work/play lifestyle it offers," Devereux said. "The continued investment in light rail, proximity to major employers, the ongoing development/expansion from universities, and relative affordability compared to the city centers in other metros are strong value propositions supporting apartment demand."

While newly opened rental projects are pressuring occupancy and rent growth downtown, Devereux said that over the long term, the area has structural drivers that are expected to sustain underlying renter demand.

"With the peak of the construction wave likely in the rearview mirror, the area should see less supply pressure in late 2026 or 2027, which should support strengthening operations and an eventual re-acceleration of rent growth over the mid-term," Devereux said.
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2026, 1:09 AM
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Just look at the big picture and quit complaining about the name. Astra has been used for other projects in other cities so maybe that’s why the name changed. We’ve waited long enough for this project, and it seems this announcement is positive step forward.
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2026, 4:17 PM
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Ultimately this is good news. This is a complex project. It should also be good news that the taller tower actually got taller in these latest updates - the project isn't being scaled back.

I do remember early on the north tower (the taller of the two) was supposed to be built first. This sounds like they may now be built together.

Side note - there could be many factors invovled, but its kind of insane that project costs nearly doubled from 350m to 675m. Shows you how important it is to get these projects out of the ground as soon as possible. Delays of just a few months can cost millions.
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2026, 6:18 PM
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Ultimately this is good news. This is a complex project. It should also be good news that the taller tower actually got taller in these latest updates - the project isn't being scaled back.

I do remember early on the north tower (the taller of the two) was supposed to be built first. This sounds like they may now be built together.

Side note - there could be many factors invovled, but its kind of insane that project costs nearly doubled from 350m to 675m. Shows you how important it is to get these projects out of the ground as soon as possible. Delays of just a few months can cost millions.
It's been the same height since 2020.
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2026, 6:40 PM
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It's been the same height since 2020.
I think at this point Phoenix is better off waiting for a developer who specializes in this area, rather than a very minor developer who is still learning how to build. Yes I’m aware they already have a small high rise or two, I do think they are very much out of their league with this project.
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2026, 2:56 AM
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Obviously hope this thing gets built and anything new even remotely close to this height/size is great...but, can't help but ask the obvious question - why can't Phoenix get something taller than, I dunno, 600-700 feet as a new tallest? This is the 5th largest city and something like 13 largest metro and we still have a stature more akin to a Tulsa or San Antonio. It's like zero pride in the bloodstream of developers and civic leaders...
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2026, 6:00 PM
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Obviously hope this thing gets built and anything new even remotely close to this height/size is great...but, can't help but ask the obvious question - why can't Phoenix get something taller than, I dunno, 600-700 feet as a new tallest? This is the 5th largest city and something like 13 largest metro and we still have a stature more akin to a Tulsa or San Antonio. It's like zero pride in the bloodstream of developers and civic leaders...
There's no real incentive to build vertically. We do have corporate HQs in town, recent ones to move/upsize are Sprouts, Dutch Bros, Axion, etc. But the preference these days are for a dedicated campus building, vs an office tower. Office towers would then be more for small-mid sized companies -- perfect for law/real-estate firms but that market's been cornered by the Biltmore corridor, or easily handled by existing office inventory.

If we look past commercial real estate, then we're left with residential development. There are limits to how luxury you can get before people stop paying it. The most expensive ones to come online recently is the Ray which I believe is coming in at about $1.5k for a 400 sqf studio which is about $45 per sqft/yr. Almost double the average. Structured that way because construction has gotten so expensive in the last 5 years that to build a tower, you have to charge higher which puts you in the luxury territory. That's the only way a developer is able to secure financing. So between how expensive construction is, and the state's largely anti-condo-for-sale stance with the 7-year liability clause (Optima is the only one who figured this out but again, luxury developments), there's no incentive to build taller than what we can get right now.

The last group is going to be hotel and hospitality. This is where it could be possible, but the city wants to build new ones closer to the convention center which has height restrictions due to the FAA flight paths. Ultra luxury hotels have been popping up in downtown towers worldwide occupying their top floors: intercontinental in dtla, the Park Hyatt at Merdeka in KL to name a few. But the only spots workable in downtown (with basically unlimited height restrictions) are on 7th avenue... And that's just not a place to be. I mean the city allowed the Chik-fil-a with what seems like the biggest drive thru ever be built right there so....
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2026, 2:09 PM
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There's no real incentive to build vertically.
That's my entire point. The lack of incentive born of simple civic pride. All over Asia and ME. Alive in NYC. Dead everywhere else it. Never alive in Phoenix. It's just sad and pathetic imo. I'm simplifying what is very complex market economics but landmarks are intentional.
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2026, 9:22 PM
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A skyline to be proud of !

This tower 1 when built is going to totally enhance the appearance and perception of. downtown.From the south to the north central towers. Every one has their own opinions regarding design , I think these guys have nailed it. We will never have one of the taller skylines.but .maybe one of the most handsome. The location seems perfect also.

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This tower 1 when built is going to totally enhance the appearance and perception of. downtown.From the south to the north central towers. Every one has their own opinions regarding design , I think these guys have nailed it. We will never have one of the taller skylines.but .maybe one of the most handsome. The location seems perfect also.
I agree. It is going to act as a great center piece to the skyline. Downtown will never be complete but this at least makes it respectable. Hopefully the old Chase tower will actually start soon too.
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Agree , I wish they would start work on the exterior of Chase. As for Arro this is really going to create a huge buzz once it gets going. Right now i think 85% of Arizonas population is totally clueless about this. Just occupied with putting gas in the tank.
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Old Posted May 11, 2026, 4:07 PM
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The developer's attorney presented at the Downtown Voices Coalition meeting on Saturday. Reaction was mixed -- both mine and other attendees'. I like the height and density. What I don't like is the following:

--Parking podiums. I think I heard that floors 2-8 will be parking. That's unproductive height, a way of boosting a building's stature while making things less attractive at ground level and potentially inducing more automobile dependency.*

--Second Avenue will have to be widened, perhaps at the expense of its current wide, detached sidewalks. This is a dictate of the fire department, rather than the developer, but it's still another way this tower may a negative impact at ground level.

--The ground floor retail is described as "boutique." We already have enough of that around Downtown. I'd be more thrilled with a big space allocated to a grocery, drug, or department store.

--The buildings will be constructed in two phases. If market conditions deteriorate after Phase 1 is complete, we could be left with a long-term vacant lot where Phase 2 is supposed to be.

*I'm not going to waste my time explaining once again why parking podiums are a form of blight. If you're genuinely courteous, then do some searches of prior discussions on this board or the Internet at large.

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Arizona is all about "value engineering" so there's no way this (or anything else it seems) gets built that doesn't use those hideous garage podiums if it's residential or mixed use. Sad but true.
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Arizona is all about "value engineering" so there's no way this (or anything else it seems) gets built that doesn't use those hideous garage podiums if it's residential or mixed use. Sad but true.
Part of the problem with this building in particular is that they will be providing parking not only for their own tenants and guests, but also for the Downtown YMCA. That's ironic because with all the residential development going on, including this building, the Y should be able to draw more members who live within walking distance rather than those who drive to and from their workouts.
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Just curious for those of you who dislike above grade parking podiums:

Where should the parking go? On yet another block that can be dedicated entirely to parking?

Underground where it costs 5-8X as much to construct?

Should there be no parking because Phoenix has achieved a walkable urban downtown where all needs can be easily met via foot and/or transit?

I'm honestly curious.

I think that given the necessity, parking podiums can be done in a way that isn't intrusive, is aesthetically decent, and hey, it gives a height boost that otherwise isn't warranted by the market.
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