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Old Posted Mar 18, 2025, 11:00 PM
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Well this is depressing.

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Based on the percent population increase (if the data holds up) Atlanta would have already passed DC to become the 7th Largest metro (as of Mar 1, 2025)
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To me, this just shows that Atlanta grew more slowly (and/or DC and Miami grew more quickly) than previously estimated rather than Atlanta "dropping" two spots. If you look at the 2020 numbers, Atlanta was already lower than those two cities (plus Philadelphia), so I'd bet Atlanta never really passed them rather than moving up three spots and down two again within a span of four years.
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Maybe DC and Miami MSAs added and additional county. Does anyone know if this is the case?
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Old Posted Mar 20, 2025, 12:26 PM
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Maybe DC and Miami MSAs added and additional county. Does anyone know if this is the case?
Not that I've read. The reasons listed were: international migration, strong job opportunities and return to in-person work.

I suspect with the current administration laying off tens of thousands of federal employees, that Washington DC may not stay ahead of Atlanta for long.

Plus, I think international migration might slow due to the current administration as well; which will disproportionally hurt Miami and DC.
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Instead of posting a 1-year trend these cover 2020-2024 so far: Net Domestic migration... Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX Metro Area 253,879 Houston-Pasadena-The Woodlands, TX Metro Area 133,116 Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metro Area -204,749 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach, FL Metro Area -259,015 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA Metro Area -326,637 Chicago-Naperville-Elgin, IL-IN Metro Area -347,466 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, CA Metro Area -714,090 New York-Newark-Jersey City, NY-NJ Metro Area -1,090,161
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So the DC metro randomly added 131,514 last year?

They had to have added a county.
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How much did the city of Atlanta grow?
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How much did the city of Atlanta grow?
Won't know until May when city population estimates release.
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Atlanta Region 2025 Population Estimates from ARC

"Metro Atlanta added 64,400 people in the past year, pushing the region’s 11-county population to nearly 5.3 million, according to 2025 population estimates released by the Atlanta Regional Commission (ARC).

Each of metro Atlanta’s 11 counties saw population increases 2024-2025. Fulton County added the most with 18,800 new residents. The next three counties with the most growth were Gwinnett with 15,200; Cherokee with 7,100; and Forsyth with 6,700. The City of Atlanta added 10,600 persons 2022-2023, and accounts as such for a very large share of the Fulton increase for the period."

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So the DC metro randomly added 131,514 last year?

They had to have added a county.

I have yet to see a reasonable explanation for this. How did DC magically add 131, 514 last year when they grew at a substantially lower pace than Atlanta, while we had already passed them in 2023?
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it's amazing to see the city population really shooting up over the last few years. if it continues we'll be closing in on 600k by the end of the decade!
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Back up to #6 where we belong.

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Old Posted Apr 28, 2026, 12:09 PM
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Gemini:
That "rollercoaster" ranking for the Atlanta Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) is a perfect example of how data math and boundary changes can be just as impactful as actual people moving.
The short answer: It was a combination of both, but the "sudden fall" was largely due to a massive update in how the government defines these areas, while the "return to #6" was driven by consistent, high-speed population growth.
1. The "Sudden Fall" (The 2023 Boundary Shake-up)
In July 2023, the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) released updated delineations for MSAs based on 2020 Census data. This wasn't just about counting heads; it was about redrawng the lines.
• Boundary Changes: The Atlanta MSA actually consists of 29 counties. While the core 11-county area is what most people think of as "Atlanta," the federal definition includes a vast perimeter.
• The Methodology Shift: Around 2023/2024, the Census Bureau updated its methodology for measuring international migration and revised previous years' estimates. This caused a "paper shift" where Miami and Washington D.C. were revised upward or grew more quickly in the new data sets, leapfrogging Atlanta and pushing it down to #8.
2. The Move Back to #6 (The "Sunbelt Surge")
Atlanta didn't stay at #8 for long because its actual, physical growth is currently outstripping almost everyone else in the Top 10.
• Pure Population Growth: Between 2023 and 2024, Atlanta added roughly 75,000 to 80,000 residents—one of the largest numeric increases in the country.
• The Re-Leapfrog: While D.C. and Miami are growing, Atlanta's rate of domestic migration (people moving from other states) is significantly higher. By the 2025/2026 estimates, Atlanta's population surpassed 6.4 million, allowing it to reclaim the #6 spot from Washington D.C. and Miami.
Ranking Comparison (Approximate)
Rank Metro Area 2025/26 Status
1 New York Steady at #1
2 Los Angeles Steady at #2
3 Chicago Steady at #3
4 Dallas Growing rapidly
5 Houston Growing rapidly
6 Atlanta Reclaimed from #8
7 Washington D.C. Slower growth
8 Miami Slower growth
Summary
The dip to #8 was primarily a statistical artifact caused by new OMB definitions and Census methodology revisions that favored other cities' data. The climb back to #6 is strictly population-driven, fueled by Atlanta's status as a top destination for corporate relocations and internal U.S. migration.

10 years likely projections:

Based on current growth trajectories, census revisions, and regional planning forecasts (such as those from the Atlanta Regional Commission and the Texas Demographic Center), the U.S. metro rankings are set for a major reshuffle by 2035.
The biggest story of the next decade is the decline of the "Legacy Three" (NY, LA, Chicago) dominance and the ascent of the "Big Three" of the Sunbelt (Dallas, Houston, Atlanta).
Projected 2035 Top 10 U.S. Metro Rankings
Based on 2026 growth trends and 10-year projections.
Rank Metro Area Est. 2035 Population Movement / Trend
1 New York ~19.8M – 20.1M Steady (Slight decline or stagnation)
2 Los Angeles ~12.2M – 12.6M Steady (Slight decline)
3 Dallas–Fort Worth ~9.7M – 10.1M Up from #4 (Overtaking Chicago)
4 Chicago ~9.1M – 9.3M Down from #3 (Slow decline)
5 Houston ~9.0M – 9.2M Steady (Closing in on Chicago)
6 Atlanta ~7.3M – 7.5M Steady (Cementing its #6 spot)
7 Miami ~6.9M – 7.1M Up from #8 (Overtaking D.C.)
8 Washington D.C. ~6.8M – 7.0M Down from #7
9 Phoenix ~6.1M – 6.4M Up from #10 (Overtaking Philly)
10 Philadelphia ~6.3M Down from #9 (Stagnant)
Key Takeaways for 2035
1. The Great Chicago Swap
By 2035, Dallas-Fort Worth is almost certain to be the 3rd largest MSA in the country. Dallas is currently adding roughly 130,000 people per year, while Chicago has seen a slight net loss. By the mid-2030s, Houston will also be in a "dead heat" with Chicago for the #4 spot.
2. Atlanta’s Separation
Atlanta’s return to #6 isn't a fluke; it's a breakout. While it was neck-and-neck with DC, Miami, and Philly a few years ago, Atlanta’s growth rate (~1.2% to 1.5% annually) is nearly double theirs. By 2035, Atlanta is projected to have a "buffer" of nearly 400,000–500,000 people over the #7 spot.
3. The Rise of Phoenix
Phoenix is the "dark horse" for the top 10. It is currently the fastest-growing major county (Maricopa) in the nation. By 2035, it will likely have firmly pushed Philadelphia down to #10 and will be threatening the #8 spot.
4. The "Paper Growth" vs. Real Growth
As you noted with the recent rank changes, these numbers can shift if the OMB adds new counties to an MSA (like adding more of North Georgia to Atlanta). However, the numbers above reflect actual migration and birth rates, which currently favor the "Smile States" (the Sunbelt arc from the Carolinas through Texas to Arizona).

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Old Posted Apr 28, 2026, 2:44 PM
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Gemini:
That "rollercoaster" ranking for the Atlanta Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) is a perfect example of how data math and boundary changes can be just as impactful as actual people moving.
The short answer: It was a combination of both, but the "sudden fall" was largely due to a massive update in how the government defines these areas, while the "return to #6" was driven by consistent, high-speed population growth.
That was a lot of information and very interesting. Thanks for the post!
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Old Posted Apr 29, 2026, 1:23 PM
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Gemini:
That "rollercoaster" ranking for the Atlanta Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) is a perfect example of how data math and boundary changes can be just as impactful as actual people moving.
The short answer: It was a combination of both, but the "sudden fall" was largely due to a massive update in how the government defines these areas, while the "return to #6" was driven by consistent, high-speed population growth.
1. The "Sudden Fall" (The 2023 Boundary Shake-up)
In July 2023, the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) released updated delineations for MSAs based on 2020 Census data. This wasn't just about counting heads; it was about redrawng the lines.
• Boundary Changes: The Atlanta MSA actually consists of 29 counties. While the core 11-county area is what most people think of as "Atlanta," the federal definition includes a vast perimeter.
• The Methodology Shift: Around 2023/2024, the Census Bureau updated its methodology for measuring international migration and revised previous years' estimates. This caused a "paper shift" where Miami and Washington D.C. were revised upward or grew more quickly in the new data sets, leapfrogging Atlanta and pushing it down to #8.
2. The Move Back to #6 (The "Sunbelt Surge")
Atlanta didn't stay at #8 for long because its actual, physical growth is currently outstripping almost everyone else in the Top 10.
• Pure Population Growth: Between 2023 and 2024, Atlanta added roughly 75,000 to 80,000 residents—one of the largest numeric increases in the country.
• The Re-Leapfrog: While D.C. and Miami are growing, Atlanta's rate of domestic migration (people moving from other states) is significantly higher. By the 2025/2026 estimates, Atlanta's population surpassed 6.4 million, allowing it to reclaim the #6 spot from Washington D.C. and Miami.
Ranking Comparison (Approximate)
Rank Metro Area 2025/26 Status
1 New York Steady at #1
2 Los Angeles Steady at #2
3 Chicago Steady at #3
4 Dallas Growing rapidly
5 Houston Growing rapidly
6 Atlanta Reclaimed from #8
7 Washington D.C. Slower growth
8 Miami Slower growth
Summary
The dip to #8 was primarily a statistical artifact caused by new OMB definitions and Census methodology revisions that favored other cities' data. The climb back to #6 is strictly population-driven, fueled by Atlanta's status as a top destination for corporate relocations and internal U.S. migration.

10 years likely projections:

Based on current growth trajectories, census revisions, and regional planning forecasts (such as those from the Atlanta Regional Commission and the Texas Demographic Center), the U.S. metro rankings are set for a major reshuffle by 2035.
The biggest story of the next decade is the decline of the "Legacy Three" (NY, LA, Chicago) dominance and the ascent of the "Big Three" of the Sunbelt (Dallas, Houston, Atlanta).
Projected 2035 Top 10 U.S. Metro Rankings
Based on 2026 growth trends and 10-year projections.
Rank Metro Area Est. 2035 Population Movement / Trend
1 New York ~19.8M – 20.1M Steady (Slight decline or stagnation)
2 Los Angeles ~12.2M – 12.6M Steady (Slight decline)
3 Dallas–Fort Worth ~9.7M – 10.1M Up from #4 (Overtaking Chicago)
4 Chicago ~9.1M – 9.3M Down from #3 (Slow decline)
5 Houston ~9.0M – 9.2M Steady (Closing in on Chicago)
6 Atlanta ~7.3M – 7.5M Steady (Cementing its #6 spot)
7 Miami ~6.9M – 7.1M Up from #8 (Overtaking D.C.)
8 Washington D.C. ~6.8M – 7.0M Down from #7
9 Phoenix ~6.1M – 6.4M Up from #10 (Overtaking Philly)
10 Philadelphia ~6.3M Down from #9 (Stagnant)
Key Takeaways for 2035
1. The Great Chicago Swap
By 2035, Dallas-Fort Worth is almost certain to be the 3rd largest MSA in the country. Dallas is currently adding roughly 130,000 people per year, while Chicago has seen a slight net loss. By the mid-2030s, Houston will also be in a "dead heat" with Chicago for the #4 spot.
2. Atlanta’s Separation
Atlanta’s return to #6 isn't a fluke; it's a breakout. While it was neck-and-neck with DC, Miami, and Philly a few years ago, Atlanta’s growth rate (~1.2% to 1.5% annually) is nearly double theirs. By 2035, Atlanta is projected to have a "buffer" of nearly 400,000–500,000 people over the #7 spot.
3. The Rise of Phoenix
Phoenix is the "dark horse" for the top 10. It is currently the fastest-growing major county (Maricopa) in the nation. By 2035, it will likely have firmly pushed Philadelphia down to #10 and will be threatening the #8 spot.
4. The "Paper Growth" vs. Real Growth
As you noted with the recent rank changes, these numbers can shift if the OMB adds new counties to an MSA (like adding more of North Georgia to Atlanta). However, the numbers above reflect actual migration and birth rates, which currently favor the "Smile States" (the Sunbelt arc from the Carolinas through Texas to Arizona).
Great data dive, thank you. I would offer one caveat to your 2035 projection for Phoenix. Access to potable water. So much of that region's water comes form the Colorado River water management infrastructure, and Phoenix is an un-relenting water hog. Right now, developers much show the ability to provide steady access to potable water that things on the ground are slowing (despite all the fab plants being built).
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Old Posted May 11, 2026, 2:56 AM
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Great data dive, thank you. I would offer one caveat to your 2035 projection for Phoenix. Access to potable water. So much of that region's water comes form the Colorado River water management infrastructure, and Phoenix is an un-relenting water hog. Right now, developers much show the ability to provide steady access to potable water that things on the ground are slowing (despite all the fab plants being built).
I was going to say this before you did.

Other things to consider in the ranking could be the decline of fossil fuel usage, accelerated by the War in Iran, decline of US dominance over world affairs, and possibly a situation with an an increasingly authoritarian government here in the US. A lot of things are changing right now, and population growth may not follow the trendlines we see today.
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