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Originally Posted by PhillyPDX
As I expected, that looks like significantly more than half the total project cost. Also, that relatively tight curve at the south approach to move I-5 onto the new bridge looks like a very bad idea as far as Interstate highway 70mph traffic goes (absent being truly temporary for construction phase….but in this case we don’t have full funding guaranteed or even identified potentially). Looks like they need to do that to avoid the longer term connection at Marine drive, which is needed for proper tie-in to existing alignment.
At the north end they are only cutting out like 1.5 miles, which appears to only be adding lanes within the existing right of way. Even at a crazy high $100m/mile that’s only saving like $100-$200m. For reference SR14 in Vancouver widening just completed, added freeway lanes for 2.5 miles, and only cost $28m.
Where is the $8b+ savings coming from?
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This is how it's been budgeted all along. The sections north and south of the bridge were being budgeted at around $1 billion per mile, and with costs doubling that's probably gone up to $2 billion per mile. This is consistent with the RQ, which without the caps would be about $1 billion per mile. The other big chunk is the unnecessary replacement of the 8-lane Portland Harbor bridge built in the 80s.
Where it all goes beats me. I'm sure an absurdly large chunk of it is temporary routing, traffic management, staging, sequencing, etc. But still.
It really underlines the absolute foolishness of trying to widen urban interstates. ODOT has been delivering rural/suburban freeway projects at $100-$200 million per mile (OR 217, Newberg bypass, I-205 south of Abernethy budget). It's not an exaggeration to say that $4 billion can buy us 2 miles of widening in downtown Vancouver or 30 miles of widening on corridors like I-205, US 30, Cornelius Pass, OR 217. And those routes are far more useful for regional freight since they don't get nearly as clogged with commuters. Truckers will happily take a 10 mile detour that avoids traffic and has a reliable trip time.
But no one is thinking like this. The planning and funding systems are obviously very, very broken.
*Editing to add that part of the reason the Vancouver segment costs are coming in so high is that the plan is generally not to add one lane in each direction (which all the bridges could accommodate, since they were built in the 1980s with future expansion in mind), but rather two lanes in each direction, which requires replacing all of the bridges. It's madness.