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We're getting our wires crossed here, Project Marvel is the proposed Spurs arena/convention center expansion.
Aaaahhh. Thanks. I'll quote SpiritofSeguin's post in the Spurs Arena thread.

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Missions owners get the signal to move forward on downtown ballpark plans

By Madison Iszler
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April 11, 2025

The owners of the Missions are checking off more boxes as they get closer to starting construction on a downtown ballpark and moving the Double-A team from its current home.

This week, the City Council without discussion approved creating a development authority to own and issue bonds tied to the Houston Street Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone for the stadium near San Pedro Creek Culture Park and Fox Tech High School. Council members also gave the go-ahead to the team owners to petition the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality to create a municipal management district.

But there’s one unchecked box standing in the way of playing in a downtown stadium — securing the last piece of land for the $160 million project.
In order for the 4,500-seat stadium to become reality, team owners must gain control of a 2.3-acre lot that the San Antonio Independent School District owns along Cameron Street. SAISD’s board has asked for several concessions in return and a deal was struck. But although the board tentatively signed off on the deal, it has yet to officially approve the land transfer.

The district is slated to receive land donated by developer Weston Urban — whose co-founders are part of the group that owns the Missions — for construction of the district’s Advanced Learning Academy and a rent-free parking garage built by Bexar County. It also will get a waiver of rent for use of another county-owned garage along Quincy Street and a seat on the board of the San Antonio Housing Trust.

The city and county also would adopt five-year housing goals by the end of 2025 that include construction of at least 1,250 affordable units.

The school district is the only public entity to seek concessions in exchange for helping with the project. The board started with a longer wish list, but in December tentatively approved the deal featuring the pared-down list.

Trustees have largely remained mum since then although they did sign off on an amended memorandum of understanding in February, which calls for contracts between the district, city, county, Weston Urban and team owners to be hashed out by Aug. 1. The ballpark is expected to be finished by opening day in April 2028.

An SAISD spokesperson said this week that the district had no updates to share about the status of the negotiations, and neither board President Christina Martinez nor District 1 trustee Sarah Sorensen responded to interview requests. Several seats on the board are on the May 3 ballot, including District 1, where the ballpark will be built. Sorensen is seeking reelection to her second term, and her opponent is former state Rep. Michael Villarreal.

Bruce Hill, a member of the group that owns the Missions, declined to comment. County Judge Peter Sakai, through a spokesperson, said “everything is on track.” A spokesperson for the city said the negotiations are moving forward.

The ballpark would be built on lots east of Fox Tech that are mostly vacant now. Since the area is within a reinvestment zone, the city would set a base taxable value for the property. As values rise with new development, revenue above the base is collected by the city and Bexar County to reimburse developers for infrastructure upgrades and other public improvements.

Weston Urban plans to spearhead up to $1 billion worth of development around the ballpark, which will be built in four phases. The first two phases are expected to have a combined taxable value of $575 million and be finished in 2027 and 2029, respectively. The remaining two phases of the development around the stadium would be worth $425 million and are slated to be completed in 2030 and 2031, respectively.

But the development plan calls for demolishing the 381-unit Soap Factory Apartments, which Weston Urban bought in 2023. The complex is a rare affordable housing option in downtown, and the developer’s plan to raze it has been criticized by tenants, grassroots groups and some City Council members. Nevertheless, the council voted 9-2 last year to approve the financing deal.

Under the terms of the Missions owners’ deal with the city and county, bonds for the ballpark’s construction would be sold only when Weston Urban has its projects for the first two phases designed and financed.

The city and county will contribute their portions of the new revenue from that development, about $126 million, and the Missions’ owners will put in about $34 million. The team will pay $1 million annually to lease the ballpark for 30 years along with a $2 per-ticket fee, funds that would be used to pay off the bond debt.

Among the council’s actions Thursday was giving the team owners the green light to start the process of setting up a municipal management district. Such a district can levy additional taxes and fees on property owners within its boundaries to finance certain improvements and services, such as streets and sidewalks, and also can issue bonds. Under the district the team owners want to create, the new development would pay an assessment on the taxable value of the property along with property taxes. That money would be used to pay for debt service on the bonds.

The board of directors of the new ballpark authority, the San Pedro Creek Development Authority, would be made up of three representatives each from the city, Bexar County and the team/Weston Urban, according to city staff. The mayor, the city manager and the chief financial officer of the city would be the city’s representatives on the board.

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By Madison Iszler
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April 11, 2025

The owners of the Missions are checking off more boxes as they get closer to starting construction on a downtown ballpark and moving the Double-A team from its current home.

This week, the City Council without discussion approved creating a development authority to own and issue bonds tied to the Houston Street Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone for the stadium near San Pedro Creek Culture Park and Fox Tech High School. Council members also gave the go-ahead to the team owners to petition the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality to create a municipal management district.

But there’s one unchecked box standing in the way of playing in a downtown stadium — securing the last piece of land for the $160 million project.
In order for the 4,500-seat stadium to become reality, team owners must gain control of a 2.3-acre lot that the San Antonio Independent School District owns along Cameron Street. SAISD’s board has asked for several concessions in return and a deal was struck. But although the board tentatively signed off on the deal, it has yet to officially approve the land transfer.

The district is slated to receive land donated by developer Weston Urban — whose co-founders are part of the group that owns the Missions — for construction of the district’s Advanced Learning Academy and a rent-free parking garage built by Bexar County. It also will get a waiver of rent for use of another county-owned garage along Quincy Street and a seat on the board of the San Antonio Housing Trust.

The city and county also would adopt five-year housing goals by the end of 2025 that include construction of at least 1,250 affordable units.

The school district is the only public entity to seek concessions in exchange for helping with the project. The board started with a longer wish list, but in December tentatively approved the deal featuring the pared-down list.

Trustees have largely remained mum since then although they did sign off on an amended memorandum of understanding in February, which calls for contracts between the district, city, county, Weston Urban and team owners to be hashed out by Aug. 1. The ballpark is expected to be finished by opening day in April 2028.

An SAISD spokesperson said this week that the district had no updates to share about the status of the negotiations, and neither board President Christina Martinez nor District 1 trustee Sarah Sorensen responded to interview requests. Several seats on the board are on the May 3 ballot, including District 1, where the ballpark will be built. Sorensen is seeking reelection to her second term, and her opponent is former state Rep. Michael Villarreal.

Bruce Hill, a member of the group that owns the Missions, declined to comment. County Judge Peter Sakai, through a spokesperson, said “everything is on track.” A spokesperson for the city said the negotiations are moving forward.

The ballpark would be built on lots east of Fox Tech that are mostly vacant now. Since the area is within a reinvestment zone, the city would set a base taxable value for the property. As values rise with new development, revenue above the base is collected by the city and Bexar County to reimburse developers for infrastructure upgrades and other public improvements.

Weston Urban plans to spearhead up to $1 billion worth of development around the ballpark, which will be built in four phases. The first two phases are expected to have a combined taxable value of $575 million and be finished in 2027 and 2029, respectively. The remaining two phases of the development around the stadium would be worth $425 million and are slated to be completed in 2030 and 2031, respectively.

But the development plan calls for demolishing the 381-unit Soap Factory Apartments, which Weston Urban bought in 2023. The complex is a rare affordable housing option in downtown, and the developer’s plan to raze it has been criticized by tenants, grassroots groups and some City Council members. Nevertheless, the council voted 9-2 last year to approve the financing deal.

Under the terms of the Missions owners’ deal with the city and county, bonds for the ballpark’s construction would be sold only when Weston Urban has its projects for the first two phases designed and financed.

The city and county will contribute their portions of the new revenue from that development, about $126 million, and the Missions’ owners will put in about $34 million. The team will pay $1 million annually to lease the ballpark for 30 years along with a $2 per-ticket fee, funds that would be used to pay off the bond debt.

Among the council’s actions Thursday was giving the team owners the green light to start the process of setting up a municipal management district. Such a district can levy additional taxes and fees on property owners within its boundaries to finance certain improvements and services, such as streets and sidewalks, and also can issue bonds. Under the district the team owners want to create, the new development would pay an assessment on the taxable value of the property along with property taxes. That money would be used to pay for debt service on the bonds.

The board of directors of the new ballpark authority, the San Pedro Creek Development Authority, would be made up of three representatives each from the city, Bexar County and the team/Weston Urban, according to city staff. The mayor, the city manager and the chief financial officer of the city would be the city’s representatives on the board.

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https://www.expressnews.com/business/rea...ions-downtown-stadium-saisd-20269749.php

Why such a small capacity?
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Why such a small capacity?
Yeah, this project seems like a waste. I grew up in SA and never went to a Missions game. Maybe I'd go once with the stadium downtown, but building such a small stadium sends the message that this is a minor league operation (figuratively). And that means that using such valuable property (and displacing low-income residents) is unnecessary and kinda greedy for no good reason. That's the message it sends, anyway.
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I thought triple-A required a seating capacity of 10,000?
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Yeah, this project seems like a waste. I grew up in SA and never went to a Missions game. Maybe I'd go once with the stadium downtown, but building such a small stadium sends the message that this is a minor league operation (figuratively). And that means that using such valuable property (and displacing low-income residents) is unnecessary and kinda greedy for no good reason. That's the message it sends, anyway.
It's actually 7500 in capacity with 4500 fixed seats. Still not big enough for AAA, but maybe they could design it in such a way to allow for expansion.

I actually think this is a great idea. Minor league ballparks can be a great low-cost family friendly activity for cities. El Paso TX, Rochester NY, Louisville KY, are great examples of creating destination districts around their stadiums.

The property is currently an empty field and there is $1 billion in private investment tied to the project. It is unfortunate for the Soap Factory Residents, but that complex was cheaply built 50+ years ago. It's market rate, and only affordable because of its condition. I've lived in apartments that didn't renew my lease because of renovations or redevelopment...that's the game when you rent.
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It's actually 7500 in capacity with 4500 fixed seats. Still not big enough for AAA, but maybe they could design it in such a way to allow for expansion.

I actually think this is a great idea. Minor league ballparks can be a great low-cost family friendly activity for cities. El Paso TX, Rochester NY, Louisville KY, are great examples of creating destination districts around their stadiums.

The property is currently an empty field and there is $1 billion in private investment tied to the project. It is unfortunate for the Soap Factory Residents, but that complex was cheaply built 50+ years ago. It's market rate, and only affordable because of its condition. I've lived in apartments that didn't renew my lease because of renovations or redevelopment...that's the game when you rent.
Fair enough. Just one thought about the Soap Factory apartments and the renter's game. I lived in New York for several years and was lucky (diligent) enough to find two different rent-stabilized apartments over the years. "Rent stabilized" means the rent goes up every year (or two, depending on your lease) but it only goes up to essentially match the inflation/COL adjustment for people making a salary below a determined ceiling. That's a fair system.

Anyway, I'll be happy I guess if all the projects associated with this get built. And maybe if the Missions had played downtown, I would have gone to a game or two.
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Still smaller than Wolff Stadium. I wonder if the site is too restrictive to make it larger.
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I really wish the developers and city would have attempted an honest effort to lure the Tampa Bay Rays from St. petersburg. They currently don't have a stadium and are in the yankees spring training stadium. If we're currently building a ballpark why not build a 30,000 seat MLB ballpark??? Yeah it'll be about $1B but the upside is waaay higher than a tiny 4,500 seat AA park.
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I really wish the developers and city would have attempted an honest effort to lure the Tampa Bay Rays from St. petersburg. They currently don't have a stadium and are in the yankees spring training stadium. If we're currently building a ballpark why not build a 30,000 seat MLB ballpark??? Yeah it'll be about $1B but the upside is waaay higher than a tiny 4,500 seat AA park.
The reason why, I think, is because of the past Alamodome blunders. That did not lure an NFL team to SA. Why build a stadium if there is no real strong commitment to move. I would rather do it like Las Vegas. Actually get a commitment from a team and then build a stadium off the commitment.
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I really wish the developers and city would have attempted an honest effort to lure the Tampa Bay Rays from St. petersburg. They currently don't have a stadium and are in the yankees spring training stadium. If we're currently building a ballpark why not build a 30,000 seat MLB ballpark??? Yeah it'll be about $1B but the upside is waaay higher than a tiny 4,500 seat AA park.
Honestly, if you look at the drama happening in the MLB right now with salaries and "equity" across the whole of MLB teams across the country, I kind of understand why SA doesn't have a team, nor should have one at least with the current set up. If a theoretical MLB ball team in SA doesn't win, and doesn't fill up a stadium on a regular basis, it could be doomed. And considering SA's relatively lower household income stats, I think that would be the case. Case in point is St. Louis... who just beat a record for lowest attendance at an MLB game there. Its not looking good, its a team that probably isn't making any money at all in a city that doesn't really have the household income to support a team that doesn't do well. They could be hitting the road for greener pastures at some point in the near future. The Yankees, Cubs etc make money bc they are in metro areas that have plenty of money to spend, even when the teams suck and a fan base that will go... even when the teams suck.

I think having a smaller stadium downtown, with a team that is relatively well liked by the city is perfect. And who knows.... overtime, interest in getting an MLB team will show through in high attendance with the proposed set up. I think putting this thing downtown is 100% the right move and will generate interest in attendance just by the fact its downtown and close to restaurant and nightlife options for before and after games.
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I really wish the developers and city would have attempted an honest effort to lure the Tampa Bay Rays from St. petersburg. They currently don't have a stadium and are in the yankees spring training stadium. If we're currently building a ballpark why not build a 30,000 seat MLB ballpark??? Yeah it'll be about $1B but the upside is waaay higher than a tiny 4,500 seat AA park.
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Very impressed that the developers were able to nab Populous as the lead architect here on this. They are doing some impressive projects like the New Buffalo Bills stadium, design of the south end zone of Jones AT&T stadium, all the way to Milan's brand new stadium.

I think this project is going to look really good. Can't wait to see the design.

Also hoping the backdrop looks southeast towards the Weston Center, 300 Main, and Frost tower.
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Very impressed that the developers were able to nab Populous as the lead architect here on this. They are doing some impressive projects like the New Buffalo Bills stadium, design of the south end zone of Jones AT&T stadium, all the way to Milan's brand new stadium.

I think this project is going to look really good. Can't wait to see the design.

Also hoping the backdrop looks southeast towards the Weston Center, 300 Main, and Frost tower.
Aside from the views for the fans, it would also make sense for the players, as the sun would generally be toward the southwest for afternoon/evening games and in neither the pitcher's nor the batter's eyes.
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The most defined project, he said, is still in design. An apartment tower is slated to rise on the western bank of the San Pedro Creek at West Travis Street and North Santa Rosa Street.

"It is currently north of 400 multifamily units," Smith said.

Immediately south of the ballpark, the development team is planning a mixed-use structure with around 250 apartments and a 160-key hotel.

Smith said the hotel is a key component for the ballpark, pointing out that the home team is responsible for hosting the visiting team and staff.
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Seems like this is the Soap Factory tower that got accidentally leaked or whatever a year or so ago. Hopefully it keeps the same height, if not slimmer and taller. 300 Main is 354 units so hopefully this one at least cracks 400' on the short end.

That area of downtown needs development bad, so the ballpark, San Pedro Creek + these 2 projects should make a huge difference down there.
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Seems like this is the Soap Factory tower that got accidentally leaked or whatever a year or so ago. Hopefully it keeps the same height, if not slimmer and taller. 300 Main is 354 units so hopefully this one at least cracks 400' on the short end.

That area of downtown needs development bad, so the ballpark, San Pedro Creek + these 2 projects should make a huge difference down there.
FYI, the Soap Factory tower renders that got released. I hope they improve the design (a lot).

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Alright y'all... things are finally moving here. In addition to the stadium, the HDRC now has a document calling for a 27 story residential tower (which aligns with the previous leaked renderings), a 14 story residential tower with a 6-story parking garage (confused on whether it is a podium or just adjacent to that) and an 8 story hotel. Attaching the document below, hopefully some renderings will be shown for the next HDRC meeting on April 1st. There are rather detailed descriptions of each project included here.

Document:https://gis.sanantonio.gov/OHPSystemDocs...BE07B019D-0000-CE10-8297-8E62D57008F3%7D
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Alright y'all... things are finally moving here. In addition to the stadium, the HDRC now has a document calling for a 27 story residential tower (which aligns with the previous leaked renderings), a 14 story residential tower with a 6-story parking garage (confused on whether it is a podium or just adjacent to that) and an 8 story hotel. Attaching the document below, hopefully some renderings will be shown for the next HDRC meeting on April 1st. There are rather detailed descriptions of each project included here.

Document:https://gis.sanantonio.gov/OHPSystemDocs...BE07B019D-0000-CE10-8297-8E62D57008F3%7D
Awesome!

Here's the thread for what appears to be the 309 Travis project... at the Soap Factory location.
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=260302
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Documents are available everyone, I think this looks fantastic all things considered. Have to remember they are eyeing two more phases in the future as well. If anyone wants to make a thread for the Yard Residences/ hotel that may be warranted?

Ballpark doc: https://sanantonio.primegov.com/viewer/preview?id=0&type=8&uid=ee283a13-8647-497e-bba8-665297ad63be

Yard Residences: https://sanantonio.primegov.com/viewer/preview?id=0&type=8&uid=e7292804-541f-4d1e-928e-7f018f41045d

Yard Hotel: https://sanantonio.primegov.com/viewer/preview?id=0&type=8&uid=167f803c-75ba-4525-b4c3-8df392df2cba

309 W. Travis: https://sanantonio.primegov.com/viewer/preview?id=0&type=8&uid=1aaa251e-e9ca-4f76-a94a-86acc18642e4

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