National Victims of Communism Memorial | Completed

[zzptichka]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

That's a bit general. This is a monument specificially to communist victims and those that fled them to Canada. Should the holocaust monumnet just say to victims of all genocides?

Victims of Communism is a hella general too. Why are we lumping together victims of Holodomor (5 of them in my family btw) and victims of Khmer Rouge then?

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

Victims of Communism is a hella general too. Why are we lumping together victims of Holodomor (5 of them in my family btw) and victims of Khmer Rouge then?

It's one idealogy. You could argue holodomor is a seperate genocide only partially related to communism. It is also important enough in Canada to warrant it's own monument.

[Kitchissippi]

The main reason we should be building these memorials is to create awareness in hope of preventing future genocides. Personally I think one could be enough, a place where we can remember any and all international atrocities.

We only have one National War Memorial that functions for the First and Second World Wars all the way to the war in Afghanistan. I know there's been a push to make specific ones but they end up just scattering the focus and costing a lot of money to maintain.

I really, really dislike the use of the term "Monument" for things dedicated to tragedies, they should be "Memorials". I particularly wish the "National Holocaust Monument" was called the "Canadian Memorial to the Holocaust". It sounds like we had a national holocaust and its being celebrated.

Monuments and memorials play distinct roles in preserving history and memory. While monuments celebrate achievements and cultural heritage, memorials provide a space for reflection, remembrance, and healing, particularly in the face of loss and tragedy. Understanding these differences allows us to appreciate the unique significance of each in our collective and individual history. Both monuments and memorials serve as powerful reminders of the past and play a crucial role in shaping our understanding of the world and its people.

from What is the difference between a monument and a memorial?

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

The main reason we should be building these memorials is to create awareness in hope of preventing future genocides. Personally I think one could be enough, a place where we can remember any and all international atrocities.

We only have one National War Memorial that functions for the First and Second World Wars all the way to the war in Afghanistan. I know there's been a push to make specific ones but they end up just scattering the focus and costing a lot of money to maintain.

Sure awareness is important but in this case that is why we need a seperate commuminism memorial because some people think it's an idealogy we could try to solve the so called problems from "late-stage capitilism" The same as the holocaust memorial points out what happens when we let fasicsm or even ethnic nationalism emerge. They are very seperate issues and many who go to the holocaust memorial would work for communism thinking they are avoiding fascism.

But both are also about Canadian communties of people impacted who are looking for a place to rememebr who and what they lost. Another thing to note is lots of victimes of communism were not victims of genocide including those whose families were killed.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

Victims of Communism is a hella general too. Why are we lumping together victims of Holodomor (5 of them in my family btw) and victims of Khmer Rouge then?

Because they are both based on the same ideology and world view. And in those cases more specifically an obsession with collective agriculture.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

It should just say "To the Victims of Totalitarian Regimes".

That would include Fascism and Communism and everything in between, but this monument seems to be built by Fascists against Communism (with taxpayer funds).

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

The main reason we should be building these memorials is to create awareness in hope of preventing future genocides. Personally I think one could be enough, a place where we can remember any and all international atrocities.

Canada should have taken over, booted Tribute To Liberty from the project and made it about Dictatorships and Totalitarian Regimes.

We only have one National War Memorial that functions for the First and Second World Wars all the way to the war in Afghanistan. I know there's been a push to make specific ones but they end up just scattering the focus and costing a lot of money to maintain.

Well now we're working on an Afghanistan monument, which is also shrouded in controversy for different reasons.

I really, really dislike the use of the term "Monument" for things dedicated to tragedies, they should be "Memorials". I particularly wish the "National Holocaust Monument" was called the "Canadian Memorial to the Holocaust". It sounds like we had a national holocaust and its being celebrated.

from What is the difference between a monument and a memorial?

Agreed.

[rocketphish]

Government should remove more than 330 names on Victims of Communism memorial because of potential Nazi or fascist links, report recommends
The memorial was supposed to be unveiled in November 2023 but that was put on hold after questions surfaced about many of the names listed.

David Pugliese • Ottawa Citizen
Published Oct 07, 2024 • Last updated 5 hours ago • 4 minute read



The Department of Canadian Heritage is being told that more than half of the 550 names on the Memorial to the Victims of Communism should be removed because of potential links to the Nazis or questions about affiliations with fascist groups, according to government records.

As originally planned, there were to be 553 entries on the Ottawa memorial’s Wall of Remembrance.

The department had determined that 50 to 60 of the names or organizations were likely directly linked to the Nazis, according to the documents obtained by the Ottawa Citizen through an access to information request.

A 2023 report for Canadian Heritage recommended more than 330 names be excluded to be on the safe side, the records noted. The exclusions were recommended because of the lack of information about the individuals or organizations and whether they might have links to fascist organizations or the Nazis. Some of the entries could also be removed because they have no direct link to Canada.

The memorial, which is located near the corner of Wellington and Bay streets, is supposed to honour those who suffered under communism.

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https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/...-nazi-or-fascist-links-report-recommends

[kwoldtimer]

What as pointless mess.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

Government should remove more than 330 names on Victims of Communism memorial because of potential Nazi or fascist links, report recommends
The memorial was supposed to be unveiled in November 2023 but that was put on hold after questions surfaced about many of the names listed.

David Pugliese • Ottawa Citizen
Published Oct 07, 2024 • Last updated 5 hours ago • 4 minute read



The Department of Canadian Heritage is being told that more than half of the 550 names on the Memorial to the Victims of Communism should be removed because of potential links to the Nazis or questions about affiliations with fascist groups, according to government records.

As originally planned, there were to be 553 entries on the Ottawa memorial’s Wall of Remembrance.

The department had determined that 50 to 60 of the names or organizations were likely directly linked to the Nazis, according to the documents obtained by the Ottawa Citizen through an access to information request.

A 2023 report for Canadian Heritage recommended more than 330 names be excluded to be on the safe side, the records noted. The exclusions were recommended because of the lack of information about the individuals or organizations and whether they might have links to fascist organizations or the Nazis. Some of the entries could also be removed because they have no direct link to Canada.

The memorial, which is located near the corner of Wellington and Bay streets, is supposed to honour those who suffered under communism.

330 of 530 have possible links to Nazis? That seems like a crazy stretch and I am sure some will sue if tarred with that brush.

[kwoldtimer]

One hopes that we never again see a national monument with private donors names attached.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

What as pointless mess.

Harper was told as much back in the day when he first floated this bizarre fixation-project of his. It only took a decade for the skeptics to be proven right.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

One hopes that we never again see a national monument with private donors names attached.

This is 100% the takeaway, and for frig's sake, it's cheesy and cheap to do that anyway. The Cenotaph doesn't have sponsor plaques all over it. If it's worthy of national commemoration, it's worthy of doing it as a public good. If you want your name on a plaque for posterity, go donate to a hospital or university capital project.

[rocketphish]

Feds won't commit to cutting alleged Nazi collaborators' names from Victims of Communism memorial
Heritage Minister Pascale St-Onge’s office said a review of the memorial is "ongoing" to ensure it will be "compatible with Canadian values on democracy and human rights."

David Pugliese • Ottawa Citizen
Published Oct 18, 2024 • Last updated 3 hours ago • 4 minute read

The Liberal government won’t make a firm commitment to keep the names of alleged Nazi collaborators and fascists off the Victims of Communism memorial to be unveiled in downtown Ottawa.

But Heritage Minister Pascale St-Onge’s office told the Ottawa Citizen that it will make sure the memorial’s commemorative elements will remain compatible with Canadian values.

The Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center, a holocaust education organization, wrote St-Onge on Oct. 10 to request the federal government make a firm and public commitment that the names of more than 300 individuals with suspected ties to the Nazis or fascist groups aren’t put on the memorial. The organization has yet to receive a response.

The memorial, which is located near the corner of Wellington and Bay streets, is supposed to honour those who suffered under communism.

But concerns have been raised over the years by Jewish organizations and historians that names of eastern Europeans who collaborated with the Nazis in the Holocaust have been put forward in an attempt to whitewash their past.

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https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/...names-from-victims-of-communism-memorial

[rocketphish]

Controversial Victims of Communism memorial to be unveiled Dec. 12
The monument has faced delays as Jewish groups voiced concerns that names of alleged Nazi collaborators could be inscribed on it.

David Pugliese • Ottawa Citizen
Published Dec 03, 2024 • Last updated 1 hour ago • 4 minute read



After more than a year of delay the controversial Victims of Communism memorial will be officially unveiled in Ottawa on Dec. 12.

The unveiling of the memorial was put on hold last year because of the controversy over parliamentarians honouring a Waffen SS soldier and potential links between the monument and Nazi collaborators, according to records obtained by the Ottawa Citizen earlier this year.

In addition, Jewish groups have voiced their ongoing concerns about the names of alleged Nazi collaborators and other fascists being inscribed on the memorial.

Charles Thibault-Béland, a spokesman for Heritage Minister Pascale St-Onge, said Tuesday that at this point there will be no names on the memorial. Department officials are still reviewing the backgrounds of the names and events to be commemorated.

“At the time of the unveiling, there will be no names on the monument’s wall,” Thibault-Béland confirmed.

The memorial, which is located near the corner of Wellington and Bay streets, is supposed to honour those who suffered under communism.

But a Holocaust education organization has warned that a large number of names that were to be inscribed on the memorial had links to the Nazis.

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https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/...ms-of-communism-monument-unveiled-ottawa

[zzptichka]

I thought they would just keep kicking that can down the road for the next government to deal with.

[kwoldtimer]

Lesson learned, one hopes - no private sponsors' names on national monuments.

[Har13]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

Feds won't commit to cutting alleged Nazi collaborators' names from Victims of Communism memorial
Heritage Minister Pascale St-Onge’s office said a review of the memorial is "ongoing" to ensure it will be "compatible with Canadian values on democracy and human rights."

David Pugliese • Ottawa Citizen
Published Oct 18, 2024 • Last updated 3 hours ago • 4 minute read

The Liberal government won’t make a firm commitment to keep the names of alleged Nazi collaborators and fascists off the Victims of Communism memorial to be unveiled in downtown Ottawa.

But Heritage Minister Pascale St-Onge’s office told the Ottawa Citizen that it will make sure the memorial’s commemorative elements will remain compatible with Canadian values.

The Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center, a holocaust education organization, wrote St-Onge on Oct. 10 to request the federal government make a firm and public commitment that the names of more than 300 individuals with suspected ties to the Nazis or fascist groups aren’t put on the memorial. The organization has yet to receive a response.

The memorial, which is located near the corner of Wellington and Bay streets, is supposed to honour those who suffered under communism.

But concerns have been raised over the years by Jewish organizations and historians that names of eastern Europeans who collaborated with the Nazis in the Holocaust have been put forward in an attempt to whitewash their past.

<more>

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/...names-from-victims-of-communism-memorial

Embarrassing how some things can fly over heads. On another note, human rights when it geopolitically lines up is what he meant.

[OTownandDown]

So is that like a solid wall with sticks sticking through it, or will the sun actually be able to shine along the sticks as originally designed? It looks awfully solid to me...

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by OTownandDown

So is that like a solid wall with sticks sticking through it, or will the sun actually be able to shine along the sticks as originally designed? It looks awfully solid to me...

It is not solid.

[SL123]

Originally Posted by OTownandDown

So is that like a solid wall with sticks sticking through it, or will the sun actually be able to shine along the sticks as originally designed? It looks awfully solid to me...

its definitely see-thru