Metro Vancouver Road Infrastructure Discussion

[MalcolmTucker]

Originally Posted by Dave2

Flyover ramps!

Basket weaves!

[flipper316]

https://www.langleyadvancetimes.com/news...Nef8E-U-_AiLcDvFTa7Iz-8SSJ3F-Af0Aa1dStRY


Keep it going at least to Abbotsford.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by flipper316

https://www.langleyadvancetimes.com/news...Nef8E-U-_AiLcDvFTa7Iz-8SSJ3F-Af0Aa1dStRY


Keep it going at least to Abbotsford.

From the article:

As part of the Township of Langley’s Transportation Master Plan, the road upgrades which began in October 2022, include two additional lanes, curb and gutter improvements, streetlights and multi-use pathways.

The multi-use pathways are separated from regular road traffic because they are geared for other modes of transportation such as cycling or walking.

We're going to see a lot more road upgrades that include nearby multi-use pathways. Since 2020 I've been seeing a lot more micro mobility and it's about time something was done to make space for them and everyone else who isn't a car driver.

[libtard]

Originally Posted by flipper316

https://www.langleyadvancetimes.com/news...Nef8E-U-_AiLcDvFTa7Iz-8SSJ3F-Af0Aa1dStRY


Keep it going at least to Abbotsford.

Yikes those building block retaining walls are ugly. That’s why I asked if they were temporary in another thread involving the steveston highway interchange in Richmond. These unfortunately seem to be permanent.

[flipper316]

https://www.abbynews.com/news/fraser-val...Bi6BSEUrzX4A-3B8wiHjByzwptYU7U6xe0Be9MRk

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by flipper316

https://www.abbynews.com/news/fraser-val...Bi6BSEUrzX4A-3B8wiHjByzwptYU7U6xe0Be9MRk

"Fraser Valley chambers push for highway widening as far as Chilliwack"

There's this thing known as a headline... Also the Fraser Valley isn't part of Metro Vancouver.

[trofirhen]

If Highway One were expanded and widened to Chilliwack, how many lanes wide would it be? Six? 3 in each direction? Any express lanes? Other features?

[Klazu]

Good that they are pushing for widening, as traffic today already warrants 3+3 lanes all the way to Chilliwack, not to mention with the planned 47% growth in population. Our region is going to be so screwed in terms of mobility no matter where you live.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Good that they are pushing for widening, as traffic today already warrants 3+3 lanes all the way to Chilliwack, not to mention with the planned 47% growth in population. Our region is going to be so screwed in terms of mobility no matter where you live.

You are probably right, but is there a remedy? More expressways? Widening of existing roads/upgrading to expressway status? More rail transit? What do you suggest?

[flipper316]

https://www.pittmeadows.ca/our-community...YL3QbK75HwvvfsmyqcGTI8OggtJT9yHd8AoM8sGo

Once again these governments all they do is waste our money. Plus they're all talk about so called climate change . Why waste money destroying 2 perfectly good round abouts and installing more expensive, arguably more maintenance heavy lighted intersection. Plus of course now you're gonna have cars sitting there waiting for 1 car or no car to go thru. It boggles the mind how we can sit there and let them waste money like that .

[Tvisforme]

Originally Posted by flipper316

https://www.pittmeadows.ca/our-community...YL3QbK75HwvvfsmyqcGTI8OggtJT9yHd8AoM8sGo

Once again these governments all they do is waste our money. Plus they're all talk about so called climate change . Why waste money destroying 2 perfectly good round abouts and installing more expensive, arguably more maintenance heavy lighted intersection. Plus of course now you're gonna have cars sitting there waiting for 1 car or no car to go thru. It boggles the mind how we can sit there and let them waste money like that .

I understand your concerns about waste, but in this case is it really applicable? The changes you've linked to appear to include more than just the removal of two roundabouts, as the municipality appears to be significantly upgrading Airport Way between the Golden Ears Connector and the airport. From the press release:

• Fully signalized intersections at Airport Way/Bonson Road and Airport Way/Harris Road with pedestrian crossings and curb letdowns for accessibility;
• Widening of Airport Way between Baynes Road and Southgate Rd to two lanes in each direction;
• Widening of Fraser Way and Lasser Road;
• Addition of sidewalks and crosswalks along the Harris Road corridor;
• Development of many multi-use path connections to enhance walkability, accessibility and create more active transportation opportunities;
• Addition of berms along Fraser Way, Lasser Road and south of Fieldstone Walk to provide sound and visual buffers.

It also seems to relate to the Golden Ears Business Park: https://www.pittmeadows.ca/homes-development/property-development/golden-ears-business-park-gebp

[Alex Mackinnon]

Originally Posted by flipper316

https://www.pittmeadows.ca/our-community...YL3QbK75HwvvfsmyqcGTI8OggtJT9yHd8AoM8sGo

Once again these governments all they do is waste our money. Plus they're all talk about so called climate change . Why waste money destroying 2 perfectly good round abouts and installing more expensive, arguably more maintenance heavy lighted intersection. Plus of course now you're gonna have cars sitting there waiting for 1 car or no car to go thru. It boggles the mind how we can sit there and let them waste money like that .

So called? What are you, five?

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by Alex Mackinnon

So called? What are you, five?

I think the deniers tend toward the older end of the spectrum. Most of the young'uns get it 'cause they're the ones who will have to live with it.

[flipper316]

https://fvcurrent.com/p/fraser-valley-abbotsford-highway-delay

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by flipper316

https://www.pittmeadows.ca/our-community...YL3QbK75HwvvfsmyqcGTI8OggtJT9yHd8AoM8sGo

Once again these governments all they do is waste our money. Plus they're all talk about so called climate change . Why waste money destroying 2 perfectly good round abouts and installing more expensive, arguably more maintenance heavy lighted intersection. Plus of course now you're gonna have cars sitting there waiting for 1 car or no car to go thru. It boggles the mind how we can sit there and let them waste money like that .

🤦♂️🤦♂️ gtfoh

[Migrant_Coconut]

If the concern is traffic flow or pedestrian safety, shouldn't the answer be bigger roundabouts? Four-way traffic lights are worse in both regards.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

If the concern is traffic flow or pedestrian safety, shouldn't the answer be bigger roundabouts? Four-way traffic lights are worse in both regards.

If the pedestrians are trying to cross the road, roundabouts can be worse (unless the context is a slow, traffic calmed residential street). The research seems to suggest they're safer overall for drivers (because they have to slow down).

Drivers are concentrating on merging, and then on accelerating away from the roundabout once they reach their exit. They don't see pedestrians or cyclists, and even with marked crosswalks on the edges of the roundabout, they sometimes don't stop. If they do stop unexpectedly if they see a pedestrian on the crossing, it's quite likely they can get rear ended as the car behind isn't anticipating them stopping. If the crosswalk is moved away from the roundabout it becomes very inconvenient for pedestrians, who then tend to short-cut rather than diverting to the crosswalk.

[WarrenC12]

All I can say is transportation through the Abbotsford-Hope corridor is a circus and completely inadequate.

I'd love to see a train or something, but in the mean time, more lanes are required. Or even an alternate parallel route, but that's not really feasible.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by Changing City

If the pedestrians are trying to cross the road, roundabouts can be worse (unless the context is a slow, traffic calmed residential street).

According ICBC's "Learn to Drive Smart" guide, the circular concrete planters used in residential neighborhoods, typically where you'd often see a 4-way stop, are "Traffic Circles", while the larger lane-controlled circular intersections are "Roundabouts".

It's important to distinguish between the two, because the rules are different. When there's a traffic conflict, you have to yield to the person on the right in a traffic circle (just like at an uncontrolled intersection), while in a roundabout you have to yield to the person on your left (i.e., "traffic already in the circle")

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

According ICBC's "Learn to Drive Smart" guide, the circular concrete planters used in residential neighborhoods, typically where you'd often see a 4-way stop, are "Traffic Circles", while the larger lane-controlled circular intersections are "Roundabouts".

It's important to distinguish between the two, because the rules are different. When there's a traffic conflict, you have to yield to the person on the right in a traffic circle (just like at an uncontrolled intersection), while in a roundabout you have to yield to the person on your left (i.e., "traffic already in the circle")

That's not quite how the rules are interpreted in the City of Vancouver (or how I was taught to drive). You have to yield to someone already on the traffic circle, just as on a roundabout. (Maybe that's why a lot of drivers seem not to know how to drive round traffic circles?)

"There are three rules to remember when navigating a traffic circle:

1. Keep to the right and travel through the intersection in a counter clockwise direction around the island.
2. Give right-of-way to any vehicle already in the intersection.
3. If you enter a traffic circle at the same time as another driver, the vehicle to the right has right-of-way."

Actually - that's what the ICBC Guide says too. "Yield to any traffic in the traffic circle. If another vehicle arrives at the traffic circle at the same time as you do, yield to the vehicle on your right".

My point was rather that pedestrians should be safer crossing residential streets where there are traffic circles - traffic should be moving slowly, and the distances to cross are normal street width and the route to cross pretty much follows the street itself. It's very different at roundabouts on major roads where traffic may be trying to 'flow' and not concentrating on pedestrians who may be trying to cross. Even some traffic circles have been removed when they don't work as intended.