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Old Posted Aug 10, 2014, 3:59 AM
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Here's another view of the scene that I found on USC.

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Detail of picture above.

If I recall correctly I believe that was a glass door display box where one could read the main stories that were printed in the TIMES.

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This is NOT 1860. The Los Angeles Gas Company who erected the gas holder in the foreground did not exist before 1867.
However, since the Pico House has not yet appeared to replace the Carillo Adobe, doesn't this shot have to have originated sometime between then and early 1869?

I'm not seeing the Masonic Temple which should be here, though it's possible I'm simply missing it due to changes in decorative features.
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I found David H. Geedy listed at 1670 W 23rd Street in the City Directories between 1909 and 1921 (LAPL doesn't have any directories for that area between 1901 and 1909). Someone called Claude H McFadden was living there by 1923. The 1921 CD's 'Street and Avenue Guide' says that the 1600 block started at Raymond Avenue, which is the same as today, but like you, I couldn't find #1670 either. The houses either side of that number today are 1666 (built in 1914) and 1676 (built in 1904). The last mention I found for 1670 W 23rd Street in the City Directories is in the 1973 edition. The 1987 edition seems to have mainly different house numbers, so was the street renumbered between 1973 and 1987?
I think comparing the 1907 and 1921 Sanborn maps helps understand what happened to this address. It is the fourth lot east of S. Normandie on the south side of W. 23rd.

1907:

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1921:

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As you can see, the footprints of the two structures just to the west (1676 and 1682 W. 23rd) are identical in both 1907 and 1921 maps; the vacant lot at the SE corner of W. 23rd and S. Normandie got a 4-plex (in 1918 according to the Assessor).

And the building housing rcarlton's relative seems to have been either severely expanded or demolished-and-replaced: the 1907 map has a single unit house, and the 1921 map has a much bigger 4-plex dating from 1914 (as HossC found from the Assessor).

This building in 1921 had 4 house numbers: 1666, 1668, 1670, and 1672 for the four units. Currently, the building has kept the 1666 number, which makes sense.

This location, just a short walk from Normandie/Washington/Adams and their transportation opportunities, was probably pretty choice when built just after the turn of the century. But after WWI, the trend seems to have been to divide the old houses into apartments. This was often a sign of a neighborhood in decline, as happened with Bunker Hill.

Here is rcarlton's relative's house today:

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Excellent work with the Sanborn maps, Lorendoc. It's interesting that bring up the topic of houses being divided into apartments the day after I found the picture below. It shows 4616 Franklin Avenue in 1925. Various property websites list the build date as 1908, so it was already 17 years old.


USC Digital Library

The current view below shows two distinct entrances, 4616 and 1618, with the one on the left being twice the size of the one on the right. Then I went back to study the picture above. The long, narrow entrance struck me as a little strange when I first saw it. Zooming in, I could read the number above the door as 4618 (as it is today). I think the 1925 entrance to 4616 is set back and hidden by the window, and has since been brought forward to be level with 4618. What I don't know is whether the house was built as a single dwelling or two apartments.


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-great sleuthing Lorendoc on rcarlton's relative's house.


Here's a fun poster from 1940.



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During the past week when UCLA was being flooded by a broken water main gusher which occurred in the middle of Sunset Blvd., it was mentioned that an awards show which was to have been held at Pauley Pavilion was being relocated to the Shrine Auditorium. I was trying to remember if this notable landmark had been mentioned on NLA before.

In a search I find that it was mentioned a couple times in reference to the Academy Awards having been held there (no photos) and then two years ago E_R mentioned this:

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I always thought this postcard was an early version of the Shrine Auditorium until I read rcarlton's post on the Beverly Theater. This afternoon I researched old photographs of the Shrine Auditorium and realized that it never had a central dome.
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...but E_R didn't post any of those photos .

I only found one post with images of the Shrine Auditorium. BifRayRock's from Nov. 2012.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=10191

The USC Digital photos are no longer visible, but many others are.

Today I discovered that the "current" Shrine Auditorium opened in 1926, but that one had replaced an earlier 1906 version which had been destroyed by a fire.

Here's a 1910 photo of the original building.

LAPL


The fire gutted the original building in just 30 minutes. Here's a photo of the blaze.

LAFD Historical Archive

Photo information: The Shrine Auditorium Fire, January 11, 1920, 3:01 p.m.
Figueroa Street and Jefferson Boulevard. The Shrine Auditorium was destroyed in thirty minutes
during this three-alarm blaze. Six firefighters were severely injured by collapsing brickwork.

The Moorish (as opposed to noirish!) design of this building doesn't seem to inspire as many posts as say, the art deco Pan Pacific Auditorium, but it's been used for as many events as the Pan Pacific, including trade shows, Academy Awards, the Grammy's, film shoots (King Kong and A Star is Born, among others), movie premiere's and the USC basketball team even used the stage for it's home games for several years!!!

(1947)
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Wow !!!!

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Here's another view. (this time with a wagon beside it)


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A Grand Premiere on the thread : behind the LA Times Building our beloved Hall of Records under construction !
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Good eye AlvaroLegido.




below: Looks as if this handsome young man invested in an automobile to transport tourists to popular destinations in the Los Angeles area.


This one is dated 1914.

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Here he is at Newhall Pass in 1916

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Here's an amazing photograph of Charlie Chaplin at age 27 (1916).


http://www.pinterest.com/pin/384565255651248634/



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A little scenic toll road to Mt Wilson.

ER inspired me to investigate the now closed toll road. Today its a hiking or biking trail....no cars. Quote from the old days..

"Mr. L. L. Whitman of Pasadena who made the ascent in his 1907 Franklin said, "Not for five hundred dollars would I make the trip again." For those preferring not to drive, there was the popular Mt. Wilson Stage Line."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Wilson_Toll_Road



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The word SAFE on this sign leads me to think that the road is extremely dangerous.

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Hi Everyone!

Wanted to let you know that we posted photos of architectural drawings and promotional cards of the Wurdeman & Becket Streamline Moderne at 9080 Santa Monica Blvd in West Hollywood to our website - http://deadhistoryproject.com/pencil...ectural-plans/

These are pencil-drawn plans of the Dog and Cat Hospital and likely the drawings that they took to the job site. They are exquisite!!

PLEASE NOTE: SOME OF YOU MAY GET A MESSAGE SAYING THE SITE IS "SUSPICIOUS." WE CAN 100% GUARANTEE IT HAS NO MALWARE. (WE HAVE SITELOCK.) WE ARE CONTACTING INDIVIDUAL SEARCH ENGINES TO STOP FLAGGING THE SITE.
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A Grand Premiere on the thread : behind the LA Times Building our beloved Hall of Records under construction !
Not quite. The top of the Hall of Records under construction can be seen in another picture of the bombed LA Times Building posted by mdiederi in post #2138, but you're the first person to spot it!

Here are some more shots taken just after the bombing of the Times Bulding. The first also shows some construction work on the Hall of records, but the cropping hides the top. The Alhambra Hotel can be seen on the far left.


USC Digital Library

A quick search of NLA didn't show any previous pictures of Ink Alley. As the caption says, it's "where the explosion is supposed to of [sic] occurred". The 1909 CD lists Mullen & Bluett at 101-105 N Spring. In the background is the Equitable Saving Building on the corner of 1st and N Spring.


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They didn't waste much time starting the clear-up operation; the title of this picture is "Cranes and workers on Broadway removing the rubble of the old Los Angeles Times Building the day after its bombing". Nowadays it would probably be sealed off for weeks while forensic tests were carried out.


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The cleared site went down a couple of floors. I assume the posters were printed there and some of them were used to decorate the walls. Across the street is N W Fisher (piano wholesalers) at 105 N Broadway, the Tally-Ho Stables at 107-109 N Broadway, and the Southern California Printing Co at 115 N Broadway.


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Hi Everyone!

Wanted to let you know that we posted photos of architectural drawings and promotional cards of the Wurdeman & Becket Streamline Moderne at 9080 Santa Monica Blvd in West Hollywood to our website - http://deadhistoryproject.com/pencil...ectural-plans/

These are pencil-drawn plans of the Dog and Cat Hospital and likely the drawings that they took to the job site. They are exquisite!!
Wow! What a great collection of plans and elevations SMB!


They even include the elusive puppy head fountain in the courtyard. -so cool.


http://deadhistoryproject.com/pencil...ectural-plans/
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Nice follow up on the Mt. Wilson Toll Road CityBoyDoug. -much appreciated.

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I've been trying to figure out the locations of these two early photograph of Monterey Road I found on ebay.










I've only accomplished confusing myself....but I think I'm close.

In my search I found this scene from the movie In Time (2011) -this appears to match vintage photo #1.


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Here's Monterey Road near Pullman as mentioned in the above article.



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...and this in the same area as well. -I believe this matches vintage photo #2.


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Too bad the impressive concrete lamp-posts are gone. Maybe they'll be recreated some day (fingers crossed).

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-Here's an excerpt from an interesting article on the Wilshire Grand construction site.


Here's the link to the complete article.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1960

below: GW posted about the Studebaker dealership way back in 2011.

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Before the Wilshire Grand, the Statler-Hilton, the Statler, before Hoffman Studebaker... I've discovered that there was Harold Arnold. Mr. Arnold built the Arnold Building at Figueroa and 7th, selling Hudson and the Hudson's cheaper companion, the Essex, as well as, at some point, Lincoln. Paul Hoffman later took the building over to sell Studes....

The Arnold Building, ca. 1922
LAPL http://http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics35/00067437.jpg


As Hoffman Studebaker, now much be-signed, a picture we've seen before


According to the LAPL, whose photo captions I try not to let test my patience, the Arnold/Hoffman building "served
as the framework for the Statler Hotel in 1951." Surely they don't mean literally.... I'm sure we've seen this lot in prior
pics here cleared of all traces of the car dealership....
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And here's a reminder of the Foy house which was replaced by the Studebaker dealership. The Foy house has had a few mentions on NLA, including the several pictures posted by gsjansen in post #3924. The picture below is from that post, which also includes a link to an article on Big Orange landmarks about the Foy house and its new location.

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Exterior corner front view of the Samuel Calvert Foy property on December 20, 1919. 7th Street is on the left, and Figureoa on the right, the property being on the northwest corner.


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Earlier tonight I received a message from a very important member that said they were quitting the thread because it has become 'inane'.
(in fact, it's the second message I received this week...they also said they were quitting the thread)

I am at a loss.....a complete loss.
What do I say to these people who mean so much to me?
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e-r must carry on.


A despicable past.



Someone is willing to pay almost $55 for this?

full size.
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Haas Bldg entrance/ recently uncovered during a renovation.

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Noir motel murder.1957

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Inane!? This is where I spend every weekend night. There's nothing better ER! Don't listen
I hope the departed come back, we miss the curmudgeon.
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On November 13, 1957 a jury of ten women and two men was selected in Santa Monica Superior Court for the second murder trial of nineteen year old Charles Lee Guy, III. The teenager stood accused of the shotgun slaying of Guy F. Roberts, his mother’s fiancee.

Charles was a songwriter. He also sported a cute haircut...modified flat top with wings or fenders.

Charles and his mother were a dangerous combination.

Charles Lee Guy, III was convicted of involuntary manslaughter at 16 and spent his years in prison practicing singing and playing guitar. He sent an unsolicited demo to Capitol Records, and producer Ken Nelson, sensing a potentially lucrative gimmick, signed Guy. His sole album, The Prisoner's Dream, was recorded in a prison auditorium with Joe Maphis on acoustic guitar. The cover illustration depicts Guy strumming his guitar behind prison bars, and nearly all of the selections are prison songs.




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Additional Sunset Strip Video

The LA Public Library seems to want our attention with their new series of stories from their "Map Cave," as they call it, which is a pretty awesome local resource. Glen Creason's excellent CityDig column at LA Magazine has some great close-ups of the 1955 Sanborn Fire Map with Colonial House, the Garden of Allah, Pandora's Box, Schawb's, and all the small apartments and large houses that dotted Crescent Heights.

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