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[Lorendoc]

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[Lorendoc]

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir

A speculative punt but here goes.


On the window frame what I make to be the number 1702 is scrawled.

^^^

Two other clues: the Hebrew letters visible on the store glass window are (right to left) a Kaf and a Shin, which probably are the beginning of the word Kosher.

Also visible is the name __igley's. But a quick CD search came up empty. I would vote strongly for Boyle Heights, though.

[Bristolian]

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug

LAX


The iconic LAX Theme structure. I had dinner in the round restaurant in the 1960s. If I recall correctly, it was salmon with red caviar.

The Encounter Restaurant closed for business in December 2013 with no future plans to reopen.

The Observation Deck may be open on the weekends....there may be a Coke machine for the thirsty.

I love this image which I came across a while ago
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/l...les/index.html

It inspired me to take this shot of my Caddy there.

Obviously the area is far less wide open these days so I had to get creative with the framing. There are multi-story parking structures all around now. You can see the space age street light seen in the first shot through the vent window in my photo.

[Lwize]

I <3 Thrifty Chocolate Chip ice cream.
It's not a super premium ice cream, but it's a taste of childhood.

[RyeRyeLA]

Originally Posted by Snix

This is great! I spoke to 102-year-old Raymond Borun, the son of Thrifty's founder, last fall and here's what he said when I asked about this building.

“I don’t recall the beginning. They (Borun brothers) had a plant in West Hollywood and that was just a single piece of property and that was the sole source of the original (ice cream) and then eventually they moved the manufacturing, making it somewhere in the east side of Los Angeles (El Monte in 1976) and I inherited the building, the original ice cream plant, after my father’s death. We had inherited it with my cousins. We decided we probably should sell it. It was old brick type of, original type of construction of those days. Definitely not earthquake (safe) and when we put it up to sale and the agent said ‘you know the problem is when they defrost this building its gonna fall apart’ because it was frozen for (many years). At any rate we did sell it I don’t remember where it was. I don’t know if it was torn down.”

Wow that's a great first person account! Always love hearing people's stories of how it was back in the day here in LA! And the building is still standing, even after defrosting it!

[Arch2000]

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir

A speculative punt but here goes.


On the window frame what I make to be the number 1702 is scrawled.





Which leads to the closest applicable grocers I could find to Boyle Heights in the time frame.



rescarta.lapl.org

Thanks for your sleuthing input, Noir. But I wonder why an address would have been written in pencil(?) on the wall, as opposed to some more substantial signage. And it looks like there is something else written below this, partially obscured by the man- maybe some graffiti from local punks, who the shop owner is staring down and shaking his fist at from the doorway??

[RyeRyeLA]

Originally Posted by Arch2000

Thanks for your sleuthing input, Noir. But I wonder why an address would have been written in pencil(?) on the wall, as opposed to some more substantial signage. And it looks like there is something else written below this, partially obscured by the man- maybe some graffiti from local punks, who the shop owner is staring down and shaking his fist at from the doorway??

Kind of looks like it says "17 oz"?

Looks like the bottom of address numbers above the Snider's sign.

[Snix]

Re: __igley's.
Wrigley's gum used "After Every Meal" as a slogan in the 20s, so it looks like just an advertising sign.
Do we know the name of the gentleman in the photo? If we can find out where he lived maybe that will offer a clue.

Bridgeport Telegram
5/12/24

Originally Posted by Lorendoc

^^^

Two other clues: the Hebrew letters visible on the store glass window are (right to left) a Kaf and a Shin, which probably are the beginning of the word Kosher.

Also visible is the name __igley's. But a quick CD search came up empty. I would vote strongly for Boyle Heights, though.

[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by sopas ej

Yeah; in the mid-1980s, there was a "Moonlighting" episode that featured two of the main characters' dream sequences both shot in black-and-white, that were homages to 1940s film noir, one being done in the glossy MGM style (Maddie/Cybill Shepherd's dream sequence), the other being done in the grittier Warner Bros. style (David/Bruce Willis' dream sequence). The episode opened with an introduction by Orson Welles, saying that there was nothing wrong with your TV, or something. From what I learned later, the episode was expensive to produce, because by the mid-1980s, black-and-white film stock was rare, and it was even rarer to find a good black-and-white cinematographer. The network originally wanted to shoot the episode in color and just chroma down to black-and-white for broadcast, but the producers were afraid that in reruns, the whole episode would just be shown in color.

BTW "Moonlighting" was my favorite show when I was in high school.

Below is the episode, minus Orson Welles' intro:
[...]
Hmm, it seems slightly sped up. Oh well.
_________________________________________________________________

I wanted to point out that three years ago (already?) I took the L.A. Conservancy Tour of the historic Earl Carroll's Theatre and it was pointed out that this 1985 Moonlight episode was mostly filmed there. The episode is worth a look for that! (IMDB says the episode cost two million dollars to produce.)

If anyone wants to visit or revisit my two posts about the tour (with links to myriad photo sites and videos of the place and pertinent NLA posts, here they are:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=45703
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=45704


Also -- I found a youtube link to the Moonlight episode with the Welles intro. Running time 47:40.

• Video Link

[GaylordWilshire]

Originally Posted by Bristolian

It inspired me to take this shot of my Caddy there.

Obviously the area is far less wide open these days so I had to get creative with the framing. There are multi-story parking structures all around now. You can see the space age street light seen in the first shot through the vent window in my photo.

Great shot--except for the radials, you'd never know it wasn't the fall of 1962....



LAT Oct 28, 1962

[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

Great shot--except for the radials, you'd never know it wasn't the fall of 1962....



LAT Oct 28, 1962

In the 2nd column at the bottom of the ad we see the Allen Co. sales location. Everyday I used to ride or walk by their showroom filled with a collection of gleaming Cadillacs. One day I went inside and asked for the current brochure.
The manager said ''sure'' and handed me the 1957 Edition. Pure eye candy.

[Bristolian]

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

Great shot--except for the radials, you'd never know it wasn't the fall of 1962....

Thanks. Radials and LED bulbs are about the only modern upgrades I made. Although it hardly shows, that's the original black license plate there. I fought the DMV for years to get them back on the car and eventually gave up. I hated the white plates. A new law making that process much easier took effect a few years ago and they finally went back on.

[RyeRyeLA]

Ran across this Marketville ad in the Los Angeles Herald and Express from December 10, 1941. It is located where Cedars Sinai sits. Rendering looks like permanent buildings rather than temporary stalls. I have honestly never heard of this nor seen photos. Just curious if anyone has any information?


Los Angeles Herald and Express


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[odinthor]

Thanks for this. There is strangely little mention of Marketville (and I had never heard of it)!


LA Times, 5/25/1941.



From the House of Representatives' Hearings on Un-American Activities Communist Infiltration of Hollywood Motion-Picture Industry, 1951.

[Arch2000]

Originally Posted by Snix

Re: __igley's.
Wrigley's gum used "After Every Meal" as a slogan in the 20s, so it looks like just an advertising sign.
Do we know the name of the gentleman in the photo? If we can find out where he lived maybe that will offer a clue.

Bridgeport Telegram
5/12/24

So far I haven't been able to find any address or census info for the man in the photo. I only know that he arrive in California circa 1907, and he died in 1926 at the Kaspare Cohn Hospital, Belvedere, Los Angeles County. The Kaspare Cohn hospital would later become Cedars-Sinai, and Belvedere is located in what is now East Los Angeles. So the East LA/Boyle heights is a reasonable guess.

[GaylordWilshire]

Have we seen this particular horse trough here at NLA before?

It was one of many funded by that Carnegie of horse troughs, Hermon Lee Ensign. Benton Boulevard (which by the way, being modest, I had originally intended to be the name of the main drag of my subdivision on the west side of Westlake Park, with "Wilshire" intended as the only the cross street at the east side of Sunset Park...I decided to switch them...but I digress).

An item in the LAT of Jan 19, 1927, reported that the trough wasn't operating at that time, which isn't, of course, surprising, given the replacement of horses for horsepower.

The question is, does any Norisher know what happened to this trough? Benton Blvd, running between 6th and 7th, became the southerly extension of Lafayette Park Place in 1928. The apparent site of the trough, in the triangular southerly extension of what is now Lafayette Park, seems now to be a construction staging area.

Among a number scattered around the country, an Ensign fountain still stands in Central Park in Pasadena (at Raymond and Dayton) Apparently the first in SoCal, it was dedicated in 1905.



Herald June 4, 1908

[Lwize]

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[Mstimc]

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

Have we seen this particular horse trough here at NLA before?

It was one of many funded by that Carnegie of horse troughs, Hermon Lee Ensign. Benton Boulevard (which by the way, being modest, I had originally intended to be the name of the main drag of my subdivision on the west side of Westlake Park, with "Wilshire" intended as the only the cross street at the east side of Sunset Park...I decided to switch them...but I digress).

An item in the LAT of Jan 19, 1927, reported that the trough wasn't operating at that time, which isn't, of course, surprising, given the replacement of horses for horsepower.

The question is, does any Norisher know what happened to this trough? Benton Blvd, running between 6th and 7th, became the southerly extension of Lafayette Park Place in 1928. The apparent site of the trough, in the triangular southerly extension of what is now Lafayette Park, seems now to be a construction staging area.

Among a number scattered around the country, an Ensign fountain still stands in Central Park in Pasadena (at Raymond and Dayton) Apparently the first in SoCal, it was dedicated in 1905.



Herald June 4, 1908

The Dr. Conger mentioned in the caption is, I believe, the same gent who funded a large drinking fountain and statue of Ben Franklin in San Francisco's Washington Park. He was an ardent prohibitionist and the fountain had spigots for "Vichy Water", "Congress Water" etc. that in fact were fed by one pipe from the City's water system. The fountain and statue are still there but the bogus spigots were turned off decades ago.

[RyeRyeLA]

Originally Posted by odinthor

Thanks for this. There is strangely little mention of Marketville (and I had never heard of it)!


LA Times, 5/25/1941.



From the House of Representatives' Hearings on Un-American Activities Communist Infiltration of Hollywood Motion-Picture Industry, 1951.

Communist activities at Marketville?! Maybe that's what did it in!

It is bizarre that a place that attracted crowds of people in a central location would have scarce evidence of its own existence?!

[Noir_Noir]

Originally Posted by RyeRyeLA

Ran across this Marketville ad in the Los Angeles Herald and Express from December 10, 1941. It is located where Cedars Sinai sits. Rendering looks like permanent buildings rather than temporary stalls. I have honestly never heard of this nor seen photos. Just curious if anyone has any information?

Here's an aerial view of Marketville from December 22, 1941, eleven days after it's gala opening.



mil.library.ucsb.edu


By 1944/45 the Bert M. Morris Company had moved in and converted buildings for the manufacture of plastics based office equipment.


I could not find any other pictures so did a rejig of your newspaper shot in lieu.



Los Angeles Herald and Express