HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > City Discussions


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #1  
Old Posted May 26, 2021, 4:28 PM
M II A II R II K's Avatar
M II A II R II K M II A II R II K is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Toronto
Posts: 52,200
Meet The New Miami: A Series Of Self-Sustaining, Interconnected Villages

Meet The New Miami: A Series Of Self-Sustaining, Interconnected Villages


May 23, 2021

By Andres Viglucci and Rene Rodriguez

Read More: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/bus...250723159.html

Quote:
.....

Not so long ago, Miami-Dade was a story of east, the sprawling Beach and a mainland of undifferentiated suburbs, centered by a central business district that shut down at 5 p.m. Today the county increasingly is coalescing around a series of urban villages or centers, compact, pedestrian-friendly places where people can live, shop or dine out, even work or go to school, with few or mercifully short trips by car. Some Miamians are even choosing what once seemed unthinkable in a metro that for decades has been designed and built around the automobile forgoing car ownership entirely.

- The urban villages have spread well beyond the pioneering, now famous neighborhoods like Brickell and South Beach, long the only choices for those seeking dense, urban and walkable places to live in Miami-Dade. Today the urban centers comprise resurgent or gentrifying city neighborhoods like Wynwood, North Beach, Coconut Grove and Overtown, as well as old-line suburbs like Coral Gables, North Miami and even Sweetwater that are fast retooling themselves as magnets for urban living. They also include brand new, intensively pedestrian-friendly neighborhoods that have sprung into thriving existence in the span of a few years, like Midtown Miami and Downtown Dadeland. — The trend, residents and experts say, is driven not just by many Miamians’ desire to live free of punishing automobile commutes, but to enjoy the urban amenities of a downtown, village center or a traditional main street close to home. Some say it’s also providing a sense of connection or local identity that’s often missing in sprawling, auto-dominated Miami, where the car sometimes seems to be the only thing linking far-flung communities and the people who live in them.

- Housing affordability plays a role. While a typical condo in Brickell costs $450,000, a typical mid-priced home in Doral costs around $370,000, according to Zillow. Still, residents in cities like Doral once seen as far-flung outposts crave a sense of place. They find it in its small-town center, with offices, two public charter schools, Doral city hall, a Main Street with service and retail shops and casual and fine-dining restaurants, a new public library, and an urban-footprint Publix supermarket. The range of housing is unusually broad., including high-rise condos and apartments, townhomes and single-family houses, all connected by pedestrian green ways to the Main Street district. — Some contend the proliferation of urban villages across the county could even help reverse a persistent brain drain in which the most talented young Miamians may leave for college or jobs elsewhere, often lured by the chance to experience urban living in older, more traditional cities like New York, Boston or Seattle. In part, they say, the choice to leave is driven by the high cost of owning a car, typically a minimum of $8,000 a year, which adds to the financial burden of rising residential costs in Miami.

- Even some places that don’t fit the urban paradigm are getting in the game. In Kendall, a sprawling auto-centric agglomeration of subdivisions dominated by strip malls and chain retail stores, residents can now enjoy hip dining and drinking spots operated by celebrated chefs, one-of-a-kind small businesses like an apothecary/used book store, and unique attractions such as a giant ice skating rink or a video-game arcade a taste of urban life without having to drive all the way to Wynwood or South Beach. — And in the agricultural Redland, whose rural character is protected by the invisible urban development boundary that buffers it from suburbia, is no longer just farms, nurseries and estates. A growing number of agri-tourism ventures have expanded amenities for residents with otherwise little appetite for the perks of urban life. But longtime residents and small farmers say they’re worried about increasing development pressure.“Redland is a treasure,” said Sidney Robinson, owner of Sandy Acre Avocado and Mango Farm and a third-generation farmer in the area. “We that live in Redland want to preserve the UDB for future generations.”

Examples abound, some more obvious than others:

City officials and developers in Coral Gables have been retrofitting its once-sleepy downtown, long a regional employment center, into a denser mecca for living, working, culture and entertainment, though not without some pushback from longtime residents worried about erosion of the city’s historic low-scale ambience.

▪ After decades of broken promises and failed redevelopment schemes, Miami’s historic Overtown is enjoying a resurgence as a center for Black life and culture.

▪ Sweetwater has reinvented its tiny downtown, which sits across Southwest Eighth Street from FIU in West Miami-Dade, as an urban village for students and faculty, providing an alternative to commuting to campus by car.

▪ In Homestead, once a rural small town transformed into a bedroom community, leaders are reviving its historic but perennially distressed main street along Krome Avenue as a center of local life.

▪ Young families are flocking to Miami’s tree-lined, historic Coral Way, the spine that threads together older city neighborhoods like The Roads, Shenandoah and Coral Gate. They are forgoing big suburban yards and malls for small house lots, walkable and bikeable streets and the little restaurants, barber shops, doctor’s offices and a smattering of big chains on Coral Way.

▪ North Miami, a formerly white suburb that’s today majority Haitian and Haitian American, is kicking off ambitious plans to revamp its humanly scaled but under-performing main street along Northeast 125th Street as a denser urban center with a $15 million investment in a planned $86 million residential development mixing affordable and market rate-housing. The city is also seeing the redevelopment of a onetime landfill on the edge of Biscayne Bay into Solé Mia, a massive project that will create a mini-city of apartments and commercial development around an artificial lake.

.....
__________________
ASDFGHJK
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2  
Old Posted May 26, 2021, 4:52 PM
jd3189 jd3189 is offline
An Optimistic Realist
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Loma Linda, CA / West Palm Beach, FL
Posts: 5,592
Pretty much a continuation of what a lot of Florida cities have been doing. I see it as a good idea to combat sprawl. A few good examples in Orlando ( where I am currently for a month) with places like Winter Park being decently walkable in their cores despite being car centric suburbs.
__________________
Working towards making American cities walkable again!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3  
Old Posted May 26, 2021, 6:16 PM
bossabreezes bossabreezes is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 958
Florida is probably one of the best places for new urbanity (if not the actual best) in the country. Too bad this forum tends to hate Florida because of its Latino Repbulican population, and is continually being looked at as a red-headed stepchild.

Most of its cities are increasingly densifying and offer better urban options than the vast majority of American cities, sunbelt or not.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4  
Old Posted May 26, 2021, 7:08 PM
pj3000's Avatar
pj3000 pj3000 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Pittsburgh & Miami
Posts: 7,556
Quote:
Originally Posted by bossabreezes View Post
Florida is probably one of the best places for new urbanity (if not the actual best) in the country. Too bad this forum tends to hate Florida because of its Latino Repbulican population, and is continually being looked at as a red-headed stepchild.

Most of its cities are increasingly densifying and offer better urban options than the vast majority of American cities, sunbelt or not.
Florida cities are having to shift into reverse, in terms of development with focus on densification of urban centers. They generally sprawled out from their beginnings, given their (mostly) coastal locations, flat terrain, and timeframe of large-scale development (postwar). So now, it's haveing to go back and redefine their (what were once sparse) urban nodes. It's not simple to do so, considering that the cities are largely characterized by highways... both elevated, limited access and ground-level thoroughfares.

And I don't think many on this forum "hate" Florida because of its Latino Republicans. This is a forum filled with urban enthusiasts, who love dense cities. Florida, historically, has not been much of a winner those terms, and therefore, it's not gonna get much respect in comparison with more established states. At the present time, Florida is still the surging upstart, so yeah, it's still going to be largely viewed as the "red-headed stepchild". That's just the way it goes.

And you'd be hard-pressed to defend the assertion that Florida cities "offer better urban options than the vast majority of American cities".

I guess it all depends how one defines "better urban options", but I think you're really stretching it there, regardless.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #5  
Old Posted May 26, 2021, 7:18 PM
pj3000's Avatar
pj3000 pj3000 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Pittsburgh & Miami
Posts: 7,556
Quote:
Originally Posted by jd3189 View Post
... with places like Winter Park being decently walkable in their cores despite being car centric suburbs.
I think this is more what Florida metros can realistically strive for given the fact that they've sprawled out so much over the course of their development... TOD-type "downtowns" can really be a game-changer for Florida especially, in my opinion.

Miami, for example, will never have the contiguous extent of urban, multi-use neighborhoods that you can find in older cities -- it did the suburban sprawl development motif too early on and right from its core to achieve that.

For instance, some if its older, more dense, somewhat walkable nodes... Coral Gables, Coconut Grove, Brickell... will never have that seamless urban connection with each other, like older cities' core neighborhoods do. That is unless they decided to plow over tracts of 1940s/50s suburban housing (that exist in between the areas) on a massive scale.

But... one can certainly improve the built densities/pedestrian orientations of those nodes, while increasing connection to each other via non-auto methods.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6  
Old Posted May 26, 2021, 7:52 PM
mhays mhays is offline
Never Dell
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 19,802
Miami is doing great things with density. The criticism is about parking podiums and the dominance of cars.

Focusing growth into walkable urban villages sounds excellent. This can put people where they can easily walk to a lot of things and take transit otherwise, vs. dispersing growth everywhere.

PS, they shouldn't have used Seattle as an example of density, which in fact is lower than Miami's. It should be an example of urban villages though. Usually minus the highrises unfortnately.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #7  
Old Posted May 27, 2021, 1:28 AM
TonyTone's Avatar
TonyTone TonyTone is offline
Tony V / ValuezTV
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Philly Metro DE-PA-NJ
Posts: 1,439
Quote:
Originally Posted by bossabreezes View Post
Florida is probably one of the best places for new urbanity (if not the actual best) in the country. Too bad this forum tends to hate Florida because of its Latino Repbulican population, and is continually being looked at as a red-headed stepchild.

Most of its cities are increasingly densifying and offer better urban options than the vast majority of American cities, sunbelt or not.
As a person born and raised from Florida, I've never heard this before.

In fact even the Confederate flag on the front of the house in the everglades people are much more chill than their folks up here in the Northeast.

But Racism down south is very different than up north.

The main people who cause issues are the extreme right wing in the suburbs.

However you are correct about the big amount of Republican Latinos in S Florida, if I remember correctly there is such a large amount due to immigration from Cuba & many South American countries during the Castro era & even now.
__________________
Promoting Cities since 1998! | ValuezTv | Philadelphia Photo Thread | Wilmington Photo Thread | ValuezTv IG | ValuezTv X
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #8  
Old Posted May 27, 2021, 10:23 AM
hauntedheadnc's Avatar
hauntedheadnc hauntedheadnc is offline
A gruff individual.
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Greenville, SC - "Birthplace of the light switch rave"
Posts: 13,416
Oh dear... According to the leading authority on urbanism, the SNES version of SimCity, this sort of approach never works out... Better a single downtown with donut blocks.
__________________
"To sustain the life of a large, modern city in this cloying, clinging heat is an amazing achievement. It is no wonder that the white men and women in Greenville walk with a slow, dragging pride, as if they had taken up a challenge and intended to defy it without end." -- Rebecca West for The New Yorker, 1947
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9  
Old Posted May 27, 2021, 12:15 PM
pj3000's Avatar
pj3000 pj3000 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Pittsburgh & Miami
Posts: 7,556
As you all know, any city that boasts one of these bad boys is harcore urban to the core!!

Reply With Quote
     
     
  #10  
Old Posted May 27, 2021, 12:58 PM
Camelback Camelback is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Feb 2021
Posts: 1,231
Quote:
Originally Posted by bossabreezes View Post
Florida is probably one of the best places for new urbanity (if not the actual best) in the country. Too bad this forum tends to hate Florida because of its Latino Repbulican population, and is continually being looked at as a red-headed stepchild.

Most of its cities are increasingly densifying and offer better urban options than the vast majority of American cities, sunbelt or not.
I love Florida! A state of that size has a lot to offer that fits almost anyone's lifestyle preferences.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #11  
Old Posted May 27, 2021, 1:54 PM
MonkeyRonin's Avatar
MonkeyRonin MonkeyRonin is online now
¥ ¥ ¥
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 9,910
Quote:
Originally Posted by bossabreezes View Post
Florida is probably one of the best places for new urbanity (if not the actual best) in the country. Too bad this forum tends to hate Florida because of its Latino Repbulican population, and is continually being looked at as a red-headed stepchild.

Most of its cities are increasingly densifying and offer better urban options than the vast majority of American cities, sunbelt or not.

Sorry, but that's a pretty extraordinary claim that'll need some evidence to back up. From the 10,000 ft view at least, Florida's ubiquitous tower-on-parking-podium does not seem better than the finer-grained, TOD development of places like Seattle or DC.

The best actual places for new urbanity are generally those with the best old urbanity - New York, Chicago, San Francisco, etc.
__________________
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12  
Old Posted May 27, 2021, 3:23 PM
iheartthed iheartthed is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: New York
Posts: 9,877
Quote:
Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin View Post
Sorry, but that's a pretty extraordinary claim that'll need some evidence to back up. From the 10,000 ft view at least, Florida's ubiquitous tower-on-parking-podium does not seem better than the finer-grained, TOD development of places like Seattle or DC.

The best actual places for new urbanity are generally those with the best old urbanity - New York, Chicago, San Francisco, etc.
Maybe the towers on podiums is forward thinking designing for Miami to be the next Venice, lol.

Miami Beach is nice. But I have yet to be convinced that any other part of the state is forming into anything but a high density suburb.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #13  
Old Posted May 27, 2021, 4:29 PM
pj3000's Avatar
pj3000 pj3000 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Pittsburgh & Miami
Posts: 7,556
Quote:
Originally Posted by iheartthed View Post
Maybe the towers on podiums is forward thinking designing for Miami to be the next Venice, lol.

Miami Beach is nice. But I have yet to be convinced that any other part of the state is forming into anything but a high density suburb.
I certainly realize that Miami's enormous condo towers sitting atop midrise-height parking podiums is FAR from ideal from an urbanist perspective. For all the density of residential units they bring, they do very little for the ground-level experience... basically creating "suburbs in the sky". However, so much of this could be rectified if more of the ground-level space in these developments were designed for and dedicated to retail and residential.

And yes, the massive concrete bases do serve as potential bulwarks against flooding and hurricane-force winds. So aside from housing luxury vehicles, the podia can serve other purposes now and in the future.

The thing is, South Florida is mainly high-density suburbia, very high-density suburbia. You're not going to find big residential lots like you would in "traditional" McMansion-style suburban sprawl... instead, just a semmingly endless, very tightly-packed mass of SFHs with small yards and driveways, which emanate almost immediately from the downtown cores.

And that's how Florida cities developed from early on (particularly in the postwar period)... to be different from the cramped and dirty cities which people fled during the winter months. People don't visit Miami, for instance, for the Brooklyn experience. People don't relocate to the Florida sun and surf for the gritty daily grind one finds in older highly-urban cities.

I'm all for increasing nodal densities and non-auto oriented connectivity, but I have no illusions that Miami is going to become Chicago. And I, for one, definitely don't want it to, and am very confident that it never will.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #14  
Old Posted May 27, 2021, 4:59 PM
iheartthed iheartthed is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: New York
Posts: 9,877
Quote:
Originally Posted by pj3000 View Post
I certainly realize that Miami's enormous condo towers sitting atop midrise-height parking podiums is FAR from ideal from an urbanist perspective. For all the density of residential units they bring, they do very little for the ground-level experience... basically creating "suburbs in the sky". However, so much of this could be rectified if more of the ground-level space in these developments were designed for and dedicated to retail and residential.

And yes, the massive concrete bases do serve as potential bulwarks against flooding and hurricane-force winds. So aside from housing luxury vehicles, the podia can serve other purposes now and in the future.

The thing is, South Florida is mainly high-density suburbia, very high-density suburbia. You're not going to find big residential lots like you would in "traditional" McMansion-style suburban sprawl... instead, just a semmingly endless, very tightly-packed mass of SFHs with small yards and driveways, which emanate almost immediately from the downtown cores.

And that's how Florida cities developed from early on (particularly in the postwar period)... to be different from the cramped and dirty cities which people fled during the winter months. People don't visit Miami, for instance, for the Brooklyn experience. People don't relocate to the Florida sun and surf for the gritty daily grind one finds in older highly-urban cities.

I'm all for increasing nodal densities and non-auto oriented connectivity, but I have no illusions that Miami is going to become Chicago. And I, for one, definitely don't want it to, and am very confident that it never will.
Yeah, there are reasons to like Florida, but South Florida's "urbanity" isn't one of them. If I ever say that I'm moving to Miami you should send help because I'm probably being held against my will it's gonna be for the weather, not the urbanity.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #15  
Old Posted May 27, 2021, 5:14 PM
Londonee Londonee is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Fitler Square (via London)
Posts: 2,048
Maybe South Florida can get rid of its 4minute Red Light timings? You miss a light as a pedestrian or a car and you sit there for 4 minutes!?! It encourages cars to dangerously charge through red lights and discourages any type of pedestrian activity - who thought this was a good idea?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #16  
Old Posted May 27, 2021, 5:25 PM
DCReid DCReid is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,065
Recently moving to Wilton Manors in Broward, which is sort of an enclave of mostly self-sustaining village. However, I agree that most of Broward is "a sprawling auto-centric agglomeration of subdivisions dominated by strip malls and chain retail stores." I am intrigued about Miami and will have to pay a visit, but I sense that it would have pockets of walkable areas mostly surrounded or adjacent to auto-centric strip malls. And I don't even need to respond to the comment about why this blog may not like Florida - it's certainly not about what that contributor said and I'll just shut my mouth.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #17  
Old Posted May 27, 2021, 6:21 PM
pj3000's Avatar
pj3000 pj3000 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Pittsburgh & Miami
Posts: 7,556
Quote:
Originally Posted by Londonee View Post
Maybe South Florida can get rid of its 4minute Red Light timings? You miss a light as a pedestrian or a car and you sit there for 4 minutes!?! It encourages cars to dangerously charge through red lights and discourages any type of pedestrian activity - who thought this was a good idea?
Yeah, it totally just encourages highway speeds at ground level. It's big multi-lane bunches of speeding cars and trucks flying past in long-timed intervals. With the flatness, you can see a green light from 1/4 mile away while doing 50mph+ and just pick up speed to make the light doing 70+ through the intersection -- it's nuts.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DCReid View Post
I am intrigued about Miami and will have to pay a visit, but I sense that it would have pockets of walkable areas mostly surrounded or adjacent to auto-centric strip malls.
You'll certainly find more urbanity in Miami (and definitely on South Beach), but still, what you're sensing is pretty accurate from a big picture perspective.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #18  
Old Posted May 27, 2021, 8:17 PM
UrbanImpact's Avatar
UrbanImpact UrbanImpact is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 1,372
Quote:
Originally Posted by DCReid View Post
Recently moving to Wilton Manors in Broward, which is sort of an enclave of mostly self-sustaining village. However, I agree that most of Broward is "a sprawling auto-centric agglomeration of subdivisions dominated by strip malls and chain retail stores." I am intrigued about Miami and will have to pay a visit, but I sense that it would have pockets of walkable areas mostly surrounded or adjacent to auto-centric strip malls. And I don't even need to respond to the comment about why this blog may not like Florida - it's certainly not about what that contributor said and I'll just shut my mouth.
I live next door in Oakland Park! I'm in Wilton all the time.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #19  
Old Posted May 27, 2021, 8:40 PM
dc_denizen's Avatar
dc_denizen dc_denizen is offline
Selfie-stick vendor
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: New York Suburbs
Posts: 10,999
I personally find Houston or Dallas far more urban than Miami , despite their lower density
__________________
Joined the bus on the 33rd seat
By the doo-doo room with the reek replete
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #20  
Old Posted May 27, 2021, 8:44 PM
JManc's Avatar
JManc JManc is offline
Dryer lint inspector
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Houston/ SF Bay Area
Posts: 37,918
Quote:
Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin View Post

The best actual places for new urbanity are generally those with the best old urbanity - New York, Chicago, San Francisco, etc.
But it would still be 'old urbanity' because anything new is conforming to a long established way of building and planning.
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > City Discussions
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 4:33 AM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.