City Murder Rates - Page 203

Crawford · #**4041** Posted **Jan 9, 2024, 5:34 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

I wonder if cities like DC have a lot of crime perpetrated by people who don't live in the city (anymore?).

Could be. The highest crime areas in DC border similarly high crime areas of Prince George's County, and those areas tend to have a lot of former DC residents. There's no reason that gang affiliations would change just bc home address changes.

Actually, the PG inner suburbs generally look worse than the bad parts of DC. There are some really crappy areas in PG. Kind of a quasi-rural hood look. At the same time, incomes and educational attainment are usually pretty decent everywhere in the DC area, likely due to federal jobs, even in the bad parts.

galleyfox · #**4042** Posted **Jan 9, 2024, 6:03 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by LosAngelesSportsFan

According to Heyjackass, Chicago is currently at 7

6 (2024) vs 11 (2023) for Week #1.

The 7th is waiting for the coroner since the circumstances are odd.
(The 911 caller claimed choking. Police claim strangulation)

SIGSEGV · #**4043** Posted **Jan 9, 2024, 8:24 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by LosAngelesSportsFan

Happens a lot in LA too.. trash that was priced out coming back to their old hoods to act up

Well, this dynamic is common within a city (like... most street crime in any wealthy area is largely from outsiders, not residents), so it seems like it should happen across a region as well if the core city becomes overwhelmingly wealthy.

Chisouthside · #**4044** Posted **Jan 9, 2024, 9:16 PM**

In chicago, gangs have branches in the suburbs so its very common to see these suburban members head into the city during the weekend and join up with city based members. Also common for them to return to areas that are gentrified or in the process of gentrification.

Steely Dan · #**4045** Posted **Jan 9, 2024, 9:19 PM**

Yeah, the lion's share of street crime in my immediate area is not committed by people who live here.

The fact that some criminals travel outside of their home neighborhood to commit crimes kinda goes without saying.

SIGSEGV · #**4046** Posted **Jan 10, 2024, 5:44 AM**

Here are some end-of-year results using data from https://www.ahdatalytics.com/dashboa...er-comparison/

I calculate rates using 2020 census data and assign a Poisson error (using sqrt approximation). Cities with an asterisk don't have full year data and are annualized from partial year data (up to a month; I ignored cities with less complete data). Increases are bolded (even if statistically not significant, I was too lazy to calculate errors on the fractional change). Note that previous year is also annualized if current year, even though in principle more accurate figures are available (but I didn't go to the trouble of that).

Akron* 13.77 +/- 2.81 (2022: 21.23 +/- 3.49 ; -35.1%)
Albuquerque 17.18 +/- 1.74 (2022: 21.43 +/- 1.95 ; -19.8%)
Atlanta 26.67 +/- 2.31 (2022: 34.29 +/- 2.62 ; -22.2%)
Austin* 6.82 +/- 0.88 (2022: 6.93 +/- 0.89 ; -1.6%)
Baltimore* 44.34 +/- 2.76 (2022: 57.70 +/- 3.14 ; -23.1%)
Baton Rouge* 34.16 +/- 3.92 (2022: 42.70 +/- 4.38 ; -20.0%)
Birmingham 62.77 +/- 5.59 (2022: 67.25 +/- 5.79 ; -6.7%)
Boise 1.70 +/- 0.85 (2022: 1.27 +/- 0.73 ; +33.3%)
Boston 5.48 +/- 0.90 (2022: 5.92 +/- 0.94 ; -7.5%)
Buffalo 14.01 +/- 2.24 (2022: 25.51 +/- 3.03 ; -45.1%)
Charlotte 10.75 +/- 1.11 (2022: 12.23 +/- 1.18 ; -12.1%)
Chicago 22.47 +/- 0.90 (2022: 25.82 +/- 0.97 ; -13.0%)
Cincinnati 22.63 +/- 2.70 (2022: 26.83 +/- 2.95 ; -15.7%)
Cleveland 41.33 +/- 3.33 (2022: 41.60 +/- 3.34 ; -0.6%)
Columbus 16.34 +/- 1.34 (2022: 15.46 +/- 1.31 ; +5.7%)
Dallas 18.86 +/- 1.20 (2022: 16.41 +/- 1.12 ; +15.0%)
Denver 10.62 +/- 1.22 (2022: 11.18 +/- 1.25 ; -5.0%)
Detroit 39.43 +/- 2.48 (2022: 48.19 +/- 2.75 ; -18.2%)
Durham* 17.33 +/- 2.48 (2022: 15.21 +/- 2.32 ; +14.0%)
El Paso 5.60 +/- 0.91 (2022: 3.39 +/- 0.71 ; +65.2%)
Fresno* 6.29 +/- 1.08 (2022: 11.10 +/- 1.43 ; -43.3%)
Grand Rapids 11.56 +/- 2.41 (2022: 10.56 +/- 2.30 ; +9.5%)
Greensboro 24.75 +/- 2.88 (2022: 14.05 +/- 2.17 ; +76.2%)
Honolulu 6.55 +/- 1.37 (2022: 7.12 +/- 1.42 ; -8.0%)
Houston* 15.21 +/- 0.83 (2022: 19.16 +/- 0.93 ; -20.6%)
Indianapolis 19.26 +/- 1.47 (2022: 23.77 +/- 1.64 ; -19.0%)
Jackson (MS) 76.77 +/- 7.07 (2022: 89.78 +/- 7.64 ; -14.5%)
Jacksonville 13.27 +/- 1.18 (2022: 14.22 +/- 1.22 ; -6.7%
Kansas City (MO) 35.82 +/- 2.66 (2022: 33.46 +/- 2.57 ; +7.1%)
Lexington 7.75 +/- 1.55 (2022: 13.64 +/- 2.06 ; -43.2%)
Little Rock 31.10 +/- 3.92 (2022: 39.98 +/- 4.44 ; -22.2%)
Long Beach* 5.39 +/- 1.12 (2022: 7.96 +/- 1.37 ; -32.4%)
Los Angeles* 8.41 +/- 0.47 (2022: 10.06 +/- 0.51 ; -16.4%)
Louisville* 39.53 +/- 3.23 (2022: 43.22 +/- 3.37 ; -8.5%)
Memphis 53.86 +/- 2.92 (2022: 42.49 +/- 2.59 ; +26.8%)
Milwaukee 29.28 +/- 2.25 (2022: 37.25 +/- 2.54 ; -21.4%)
Minneapolis 16.75 +/- 1.97 (2022: 18.37 +/- 2.07 ; -8.9%)
Mobile* 16.76 +/- 3.01 (2022: 22.16 +/- 3.46 ; -24.4%)
Nashville* 15.85 +/- 1.52 (2022: 15.85 +/- 1.52 ; 0.0%)
New Orleans 50.26 +/- 3.62 (2022: 69.27 +/- 4.25 ; -27.4%)
New York 4.38 +/- 0.22 (2022: 4.97 +/- 0.24 ; -11.9%)
Newark 15.25 +/- 2.22 (2022: 16.55 +/- 2.32 ; -7.8%)
Newport News 24.16 +/- 3.60 (2022: 16.64 +/- 2.99 ; +45.2%)
Norfolk 17.65 +/- 2.72 (2022: 26.47 +/- 3.33 ; -33.3%)
Oakland 27.23 +/- 2.49 (2022: 27.23 +/- 2.49 ; 0.0%)
Omaha 5.76 +/- 1.09 (2022: 6.17 +/- 1.13 ; -6.7%)
Philadelphia 23.88 +/- 1.22 (2022: 31.80 +/- 1.41 ; -24.9%)
Phoenix* 11.82 +/- 0.90 (2022: 13.79 +/- 0.97 ; -14.3%)
Pittsburgh 15.84 +/- 2.29 (2022: 23.43 +/- 2.78 ; -32.4%)
Portland 11.34 +/- 1.32 (2022: 14.71 +/- 1.50 ; -22.9%)
Providence* 7.08 +/- 1.96 (2022: 3.81 +/- 1.44 ; +85.7%)
Reno* 7.86 +/- 1.80 (2022: 7.45 +/- 1.76 ; +5.6%)
Richmond (VA) 27.80 +/- 3.50 (2022: 26.04 +/- 3.39 ; +6.8%)
Rochester 26.97 +/- 3.57 (2022: 35.49 +/- 4.10 ; -24.0%)
Salt Lake City* 7.66 +/- 1.98 (2022: 8.17 +/- 2.04 ; -6.2%)
San Antonio 11.08 +/- 0.88 (2022: 16.17 +/- 1.06 ; -31.5%)
San Diego* 3.39 +/- 0.52 (2022: 3.62 +/- 0.53 ; -6.5%)
San Francisco 6.18 +/- 0.84 (2022: 6.41 +/- 0.86 ; -3.6%)
San Jose 3.55 +/- 0.59 (2022: 3.45 +/- 0.58 ; +2.9%)
San Juan* 28.35 +/- 3.07 (2022: 39.69 +/- 3.64 ; -28.6%)
Savannah 18.95 +/- 3.58 (2022: 21.65 +/- 3.83 ; -12.5%)
Seattle* 8.90 +/- 1.15 (2022: 7.41 +/- 1.05 ; +20.0%)
Shreveport* 39.61 +/- 4.80 (2022: 26.21 +/- 3.91 ; +51.1%)
St. Louis 52.39 +/- 4.17 (2022: 66.32 +/- 4.69 ; -21.0%)
St. Paul 10.27 +/- 1.82 (2022: 12.84 +/- 2.03 ; -20.0%)
Stockton* 13.97 +/- 2.18 (2022: 15.33 +/- 2.29 ; -8.9%)
Syracuse* 15.78 +/- 3.29 (2022: 12.35 +/- 2.91 ; +27.8%)
Tacoma 14.13 +/- 2.54 (2022: 18.69 +/- 2.92 ; -24.4%)
Toledo* 16.05 +/- 2.45 (2022: 24.26 +/- 3.01 ; -33.8%)
Tucson 10.69 +/- 1.40 (2022: 12.90 +/- 1.54 ; -17.1%)
Tulsa 11.62 +/- 1.68 (2022: 16.70 +/- 2.01 ; -30.4%)
Virginia Beach* 5.22 +/- 1.09 (2022: 4.99 +/- 1.06 ; +4.5%)
Washington, DC 39.74 +/- 2.40 (2022: 29.15 +/- 2.06 ; +36.3%)
Winston-Salem* 19.27 +/- 2.90 (2022: 14.45 +/- 2.52 ; +33.3%)

Overall very encouraging numbers, with a few glaring exceptions. As discussed above, DC is probably the most confusing, though I also want to know what's going on in North Carolina.

Once again, Jackson MS is the worst on this list, though it's seen improvement from the year before.

Crawford · #**4047** Posted **Jan 10, 2024, 2:45 PM**

SF has about 10-15% the murder rate of cities in U.S. regions where there's almost a consensus that SF is an unsalvagable warzone, not fit for human habitation.

Steely Dan · #**4048** Posted **Jan 10, 2024, 3:57 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawford

SF has about 10-15% the murder rate of cities in U.S. regions where there's almost a consensus that SF is an unsalvagable warzone, not fit for human habitation.

and meanwhile, 5 miles across the bay, there's a city that you almost never hear about in the national media with a murder rate that actually is bit higher than regular street violence whipping boys like chicago and philly.

homebucket · #**4049** Posted **Jan 10, 2024, 5:53 PM**

Thanks for putting the list together, SIGSEGV!

I thought I would re-organize the list in by the numbers, starting from smallest to highest rates, so we can visualize this a little differently:

Boise 1.70 +/- 0.85 (2022: 1.27 +/- 0.73 ; +33.3%)
San Diego* 3.39 +/- 0.52 (2022: 3.62 +/- 0.53 ; -6.5%)
San Jose 3.55 +/- 0.59 (2022: 3.45 +/- 0.58 ; +2.9%)
New York 4.38 +/- 0.22 (2022: 4.97 +/- 0.24 ; -11.9%)
Virginia Beach* 5.22 +/- 1.09 (2022: 4.99 +/- 1.06 ; +4.5%)
Long Beach* 5.39 +/- 1.12 (2022: 7.96 +/- 1.37 ; -32.4%)
Boston 5.48 +/- 0.90 (2022: 5.92 +/- 0.94 ; -7.5%)
El Paso 5.60 +/- 0.91 (2022: 3.39 +/- 0.71 ; +65.2%)
Omaha 5.76 +/- 1.09 (2022: 6.17 +/- 1.13 ; -6.7%)
San Francisco 6.18 +/- 0.84 (2022: 6.41 +/- 0.86 ; -3.6%)
Fresno* 6.29 +/- 1.08 (2022: 11.10 +/- 1.43 ; -43.3%)
Honolulu 6.55 +/- 1.37 (2022: 7.12 +/- 1.42 ; -8.0%)
Austin* 6.82 +/- 0.88 (2022: 6.93 +/- 0.89 ; -1.6%)
Providence* 7.08 +/- 1.96 (2022: 3.81 +/- 1.44 ; +85.7%)
Salt Lake City* 7.66 +/- 1.98 (2022: 8.17 +/- 2.04 ; -6.2%)
Lexington 7.75 +/- 1.55 (2022: 13.64 +/- 2.06 ; -43.2%)
Reno* 7.86 +/- 1.80 (2022: 7.45 +/- 1.76 ; +5.6%)
Los Angeles* 8.41 +/- 0.47 (2022: 10.06 +/- 0.51 ; -16.4%)
Seattle* 8.90 +/- 1.15 (2022: 7.41 +/- 1.05 ; +20.0%)

St. Paul 10.27 +/- 1.82 (2022: 12.84 +/- 2.03 ; -20.0%)
Denver 10.62 +/- 1.22 (2022: 11.18 +/- 1.25 ; -5.0%)
Tucson 10.69 +/- 1.40 (2022: 12.90 +/- 1.54 ; -17.1%)
Charlotte 10.75 +/- 1.11 (2022: 12.23 +/- 1.18 ; -12.1%)
San Antonio 11.08 +/- 0.88 (2022: 16.17 +/- 1.06 ; -31.5%)
Portland 11.34 +/- 1.32 (2022: 14.71 +/- 1.50 ; -22.9%)
Grand Rapids 11.56 +/- 2.41 (2022: 10.56 +/- 2.30 ; +9.5%)
Tulsa 11.62 +/- 1.68 (2022: 16.70 +/- 2.01 ; -30.4%)
Phoenix* 11.82 +/- 0.90 (2022: 13.79 +/- 0.97 ; -14.3%)
Jacksonville 13.27 +/- 1.18 (2022: 14.22 +/- 1.22 ; -6.7%
Akron* 13.77 +/- 2.81 (2022: 21.23 +/- 3.49 ; -35.1%)
Stockton* 13.97 +/- 2.18 (2022: 15.33 +/- 2.29 ; -8.9%)
Buffalo 14.01 +/- 2.24 (2022: 25.51 +/- 3.03 ; -45.1%)
Tacoma 14.13 +/- 2.54 (2022: 18.69 +/- 2.92 ; -24.4%)
Houston* 15.21 +/- 0.83 (2022: 19.16 +/- 0.93 ; -20.6%)
Newark 15.25 +/- 2.22 (2022: 16.55 +/- 2.32 ; -7.8%)
Syracuse* 15.78 +/- 3.29 (2022: 12.35 +/- 2.91 ; +27.8%)
Pittsburgh 15.84 +/- 2.29 (2022: 23.43 +/- 2.78 ; -32.4%)
Nashville* 15.85 +/- 1.52 (2022: 15.85 +/- 1.52 ; 0.0%)
Toledo* 16.05 +/- 2.45 (2022: 24.26 +/- 3.01 ; -33.8%)
Columbus 16.34 +/- 1.34 (2022: 15.46 +/- 1.31 ; +5.7%)
Minneapolis 16.75 +/- 1.97 (2022: 18.37 +/- 2.07 ; -8.9%)
Mobile* 16.76 +/- 3.01 (2022: 22.16 +/- 3.46 ; -24.4%)
Albuquerque 17.18 +/- 1.74 (2022: 21.43 +/- 1.95 ; -19.8%)
Durham* 17.33 +/- 2.48 (2022: 15.21 +/- 2.32 ; +14.0%)
Norfolk 17.65 +/- 2.72 (2022: 26.47 +/- 3.33 ; -33.3%)
Dallas 18.86 +/- 1.20 (2022: 16.41 +/- 1.12 ; +15.0%)
Savannah 18.95 +/- 3.58 (2022: 21.65 +/- 3.83 ; -12.5%)
Indianapolis 19.26 +/- 1.47 (2022: 23.77 +/- 1.64 ; -19.0%)
Winston-Salem* 19.27 +/- 2.90 (2022: 14.45 +/- 2.52 ; +33.3%)

Chicago 22.47 +/- 0.90 (2022: 25.82 +/- 0.97 ; -13.0%)
Cincinnati 22.63 +/- 2.70 (2022: 26.83 +/- 2.95 ; -15.7%)
Philadelphia 23.88 +/- 1.22 (2022: 31.80 +/- 1.41 ; -24.9%)
Newport News 24.16 +/- 3.60 (2022: 16.64 +/- 2.99 ; +45.2%)
Greensboro 24.75 +/- 2.88 (2022: 14.05 +/- 2.17 ; +76.2%)
Atlanta 26.67 +/- 2.31 (2022: 34.29 +/- 2.62 ; -22.2%)
Rochester 26.97 +/- 3.57 (2022: 35.49 +/- 4.10 ; -24.0%)
Oakland 27.23 +/- 2.49 (2022: 27.23 +/- 2.49 ; 0.0%)
Richmond (VA) 27.80 +/- 3.50 (2022: 26.04 +/- 3.39 ; +6.8%)
San Juan* 28.35 +/- 3.07 (2022: 39.69 +/- 3.64 ; -28.6%)
Milwaukee 29.28 +/- 2.25 (2022: 37.25 +/- 2.54 ; -21.4%)

Little Rock 31.10 +/- 3.92 (2022: 39.98 +/- 4.44 ; -22.2%)
Baton Rouge* 34.16 +/- 3.92 (2022: 42.70 +/- 4.38 ; -20.0%)
Kansas City (MO) 35.82 +/- 2.66 (2022: 33.46 +/- 2.57 ; +7.1%)
Detroit 39.43 +/- 2.48 (2022: 48.19 +/- 2.75 ; -18.2%)
Louisville* 39.53 +/- 3.23 (2022: 43.22 +/- 3.37 ; -8.5%)
Shreveport* 39.61 +/- 4.80 (2022: 26.21 +/- 3.91 ; +51.1%)
Washington, DC 39.74 +/- 2.40 (2022: 29.15 +/- 2.06 ; +36.3%)

Cleveland 41.33 +/- 3.33 (2022: 41.60 +/- 3.34 ; -0.6%)
Baltimore* 44.34 +/- 2.76 (2022: 57.70 +/- 3.14 ; -23.1%)

New Orleans 50.26 +/- 3.62 (2022: 69.27 +/- 4.25 ; -27.4%)
St. Louis 52.39 +/- 4.17 (2022: 66.32 +/- 4.69 ; -21.0%)
Memphis 53.86 +/- 2.92 (2022: 42.49 +/- 2.59 ; +26.8%)

Birmingham 62.77 +/- 5.59 (2022: 67.25 +/- 5.79 ; -6.7%)

Jackson (MS) 76.77 +/- 7.07 (2022: 89.78 +/- 7.64 ; -14.5%)

homebucket · #**4050** Posted **Jan 10, 2024, 6:01 PM**

Hmm just realized there are several large cities missing from the list. Miami, Tampa, Orlando, as well as Las Vegas.

Steely Dan · #**4051** Posted **Jan 10, 2024, 6:27 PM**

the interior north (the midwest & rustbelt friends) always does so bad on this.

only 1 city below 10, yeesh....

even post-war annexation land monsters like Columbus and Indy (which have tons of suburbia within city limits that should in theory dilute these figures quite a bit) are pretty high.

and then there's KC? WTF???

Omaha 5.76 +/- 1.09 (2022: 6.17 +/- 1.13 ; -6.7%)
St. Paul 10.27 +/- 1.82 (2022: 12.84 +/- 2.03 ; -20.0%)
Grand Rapids 11.56 +/- 2.41 (2022: 10.56 +/- 2.30 ; +9.5%)
Akron* 13.77 +/- 2.81 (2022: 21.23 +/- 3.49 ; -35.1%)
Buffalo 14.01 +/- 2.24 (2022: 25.51 +/- 3.03 ; -45.1%)
Pittsburgh 15.84 +/- 2.29 (2022: 23.43 +/- 2.78 ; -32.4%)
Toledo* 16.05 +/- 2.45 (2022: 24.26 +/- 3.01 ; -33.8%)
Columbus 16.34 +/- 1.34 (2022: 15.46 +/- 1.31 ; +5.7%)
Minneapolis 16.75 +/- 1.97 (2022: 18.37 +/- 2.07 ; -8.9%)
Indianapolis 19.26 +/- 1.47 (2022: 23.77 +/- 1.64 ; -19.0%)
Chicago 22.47 +/- 0.90 (2022: 25.82 +/- 0.97 ; -13.0%)
Cincinnati 22.63 +/- 2.70 (2022: 26.83 +/- 2.95 ; -15.7%)
Rochester 26.97 +/- 3.57 (2022: 35.49 +/- 4.10 ; -24.0%)
Milwaukee 29.28 +/- 2.25 (2022: 37.25 +/- 2.54 ; -21.4%)
Kansas City (MO) 35.82 +/- 2.66 (2022: 33.46 +/- 2.57 ; +7.1%)
Detroit 39.43 +/- 2.48 (2022: 48.19 +/- 2.75 ; -18.2%)
Louisville* 39.53 +/- 3.23 (2022: 43.22 +/- 3.37 ; -8.5%)
Cleveland 41.33 +/- 3.33 (2022: 41.60 +/- 3.34 ; -0.6%)
St. Louis 52.39 +/- 4.17 (2022: 66.32 +/- 4.69 ; -21.0%)

i guess if we want to look for silver linings, at least most of them went down.

better than the opposite, i suppose.

thanks for compiling the data, SIGSEGV.

Crawford · #**4052** Posted **Jan 10, 2024, 6:31 PM**

Yeah, KC is crazy high. And it's mostly suburban sprawl. KC is physically larger than NYC.

KC, apples-apples, likely has higher murder rate than St. Louis.

iheartthed · #**4053** Posted **Jan 10, 2024, 7:03 PM**

Wow, Washington's murder rate is higher than Detroit's this year. That probably hasn't happened since the early 90s.

Steely Dan · #**4054** Posted **Jan 10, 2024, 7:42 PM**

the great north/south bos-wash homicide rate divergence is on full display once again (even with Providence's apparent crazy-ass spike):

Boston 5.48 +/- 0.90 (2022: 5.92 +/- 0.94 ; -7.5%)
Providence* 7.08 +/- 1.96 (2022: 3.81 +/- 1.44 ; +85.7%)
New York 4.38 +/- 0.22 (2022: 4.97 +/- 0.24 ; -11.9%)

~~~ hudson river ~~~

Newark 15.25 +/- 2.22 (2022: 16.55 +/- 2.32 ; -7.8%)
Philadelphia 23.88 +/- 1.22 (2022: 31.80 +/- 1.41 ; -24.9%)
Baltimore* 44.34 +/- 2.76 (2022: 57.70 +/- 3.14 ; -23.1%)
Washington, DC 39.74 +/- 2.40 (2022: 29.15 +/- 2.06 ; +36.3%)

edale · #**4055** Posted **Jan 10, 2024, 8:06 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

Overall very encouraging numbers, with a few glaring exceptions. As discussed above, DC is probably the most confusing, though I also want to know what's going on in North Carolina.

Once again, Jackson MS is the worst on this list, though it's seen improvement from the year before.

What do you mean? Charlotte has a pretty low and declining murder rate, and Greensboro and Winston-Salem aren't great, but also aren't in the worst grouping of cities. I don't see Raleigh on the list.

iheartthed · #**4056** Posted **Jan 10, 2024, 8:09 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

the great north/south bos-wash homicide rate divergence is on full display once again (even with Providence's apparent crazy-ass spike):

Boston 5.48 +/- 0.90 (2022: 5.92 +/- 0.94 ; -7.5%)
Providence* 7.08 +/- 1.96 (2022: 3.81 +/- 1.44 ; +85.7%)
New York 4.38 +/- 0.22 (2022: 4.97 +/- 0.24 ; -11.9%)

~~~ hudson river ~~~

Newark 15.25 +/- 2.22 (2022: 16.55 +/- 2.32 ; -7.8%)
Philadelphia 23.88 +/- 1.22 (2022: 31.80 +/- 1.41 ; -24.9%)
Baltimore* 44.34 +/- 2.76 (2022: 7.70 +/- 3.14 ; -23.1%)
Washington, DC 39.74 +/- 2.40 (2022: 29.15 +/- 2.06 ; +36.3%)

NYC and Boston typically have lower murder rates than Baltimore, DC, and Philadelphia, but Newark's murder rates will probably look similar to Hartford, Bridgeport, and New Haven. Jersey City's will likely be lower than the other four.

SIGSEGV · #**4057** Posted **Jan 10, 2024, 8:16 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by homebucket

Hmm just realized there are several large cities missing from the list. Miami, Tampa, Orlando, as well as Las Vegas.

Tampa and Orlando had old data. Las Vegas is hard because the Las Vegas Metropolitan police has a larger jurisdiction than the city limits, so I don't know what the right population basis is. Similarly Miami seems to be the wrong agency entirely, since it links to Miami-Dade PD, but they don't have jurisdiction within Miami proper (it's the parts of Dade county that don't have their own police force, if I understand correctly).

SIGSEGV · #**4058** Posted **Jan 10, 2024, 8:18 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by edale

What do you mean? Charlotte has a pretty low and declining murder rate, and Greensboro and Winston-Salem aren't great, but also aren't in the worst grouping of cities. I don't see Raleigh on the list.

Greensboro and Winston-Salem and Durham all had increases. Raleigh had old data (though it showed a decrease).

SIGSEGV · #**4059** Posted **Jan 10, 2024, 8:19 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by iheartthed

NYC and Boston typically have lower murder rates than Baltimore, DC, and Philadelphia, but Newark's murder rates will probably look similar to Hartford, Bridgeport, and New Haven. Jersey City's will likely be lower than the other four.

I have data for Bridgeport and Jersey City (though I didn't include it)

Bridgeport* 13.23 +/- 3.12 (2022: 11.03 +/- 2.85 ; +20.0%)
Jersey City 3.76 +/- 1.13 (2022: 4.45 +/- 1.23 ; -15.4%)

SIGSEGV · #**4060** Posted **Jan 10, 2024, 8:21 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

the interior north (the midwest & rustbelt friends) always does so bad on this.

only 1 city below 10, yeesh....

even post-war annexation land monsters like Columbus and Indy (which have tons of suburbia within city limits that should in theory dilute these figures quite a bit) are pretty high.

and then there's KC? WTF???

Omaha 5.76 +/- 1.09 (2022: 6.17 +/- 1.13 ; -6.7%)
St. Paul 10.27 +/- 1.82 (2022: 12.84 +/- 2.03 ; -20.0%)
Grand Rapids 11.56 +/- 2.41 (2022: 10.56 +/- 2.30 ; +9.5%)
Akron* 13.77 +/- 2.81 (2022: 21.23 +/- 3.49 ; -35.1%)
Buffalo 14.01 +/- 2.24 (2022: 25.51 +/- 3.03 ; -45.1%)
Pittsburgh 15.84 +/- 2.29 (2022: 23.43 +/- 2.78 ; -32.4%)
Toledo* 16.05 +/- 2.45 (2022: 24.26 +/- 3.01 ; -33.8%)
Columbus 16.34 +/- 1.34 (2022: 15.46 +/- 1.31 ; +5.7%)
Minneapolis 16.75 +/- 1.97 (2022: 18.37 +/- 2.07 ; -8.9%)
Indianapolis 19.26 +/- 1.47 (2022: 23.77 +/- 1.64 ; -19.0%)
Chicago 22.47 +/- 0.90 (2022: 25.82 +/- 0.97 ; -13.0%)
Cincinnati 22.63 +/- 2.70 (2022: 26.83 +/- 2.95 ; -15.7%)
Rochester 26.97 +/- 3.57 (2022: 35.49 +/- 4.10 ; -24.0%)
Milwaukee 29.28 +/- 2.25 (2022: 37.25 +/- 2.54 ; -21.4%)
Kansas City (MO) 35.82 +/- 2.66 (2022: 33.46 +/- 2.57 ; +7.1%)
Detroit 39.43 +/- 2.48 (2022: 48.19 +/- 2.75 ; -18.2%)
Louisville* 39.53 +/- 3.23 (2022: 43.22 +/- 3.37 ; -8.5%)
Cleveland 41.33 +/- 3.33 (2022: 41.60 +/- 3.34 ; -0.6%)
St. Louis 52.39 +/- 4.17 (2022: 66.32 +/- 4.69 ; -21.0%)

i guess if we want to look for silver linings, at least most of them went down.

better than the opposite, i suppose.

thanks for compiling the data, SIGSEGV.

I guess we can throw in
Des Moines* 6.14 +/- 1.70 (2022: 9.92 +/- 2.16 ; -38.1%)