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Old Posted Jul 28, 2021, 8:21 PM
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See, now there you go, Howard. You've just encountered your worst fear. After all this time in your basement, you just got...........OMG! Could it be? COVID!!

Congratulations, you're not dead or dying. You've been vaccinated. All is good. You can finally reemerge and join society.
We'll see Antoine.

But as I've told you, I don't even have a basement to hide in and have never withdrawn from society. I just don't do stupid things like dine indoors when outdoors is delightful and attend crowded festivals of bad music. I do pray for you living in a climate where outdoor dining is too hot in summer and too cold in winter and pathetic taste in music is tolerated.

PS: My worst fear would be getting really sick, going to an ER and having you as my doctor.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2021, 8:28 PM
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I bolded the key word...unvaccinated. 30% of the population is not vaccinated.

This DELTA fear porn wave is nothing to be worried about and is nothing to change guidance from.

Let's move on and get on with life. After DELTA there will be more variants.

Btw, Delta Airlines should sue the shit out of the WHO. Lol.
The unvaccinated percentage is much higher in the belt from Alabama through Mississippi, east Texas, Arkansas and Missouri and their hospitals are overflowing. Even in Jacksonville, FL, one of the two hospitals of the U. of FL system is full of covid patients and transferring them to the other which is downtown and gets more accident victims and other non-infectious problems.

Yes, after delta there will be more variants and therein lies the problem. As multiple mutations accumulate, the current vaccines will get less and less effective.

This is mostly an issue for government. The FDA simply has to accept that we need them to learn to make decisions quicker.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2021, 8:30 PM
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we're still looking at another 200,000 or so dead before we hit herd immunity - without a spike in vaccination rates.
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Probably another 200,000 dead with covid. Maybe.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2021, 8:33 PM
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See, now there you go, Howard.
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We'll see Antoine.
Do you guys have nick names for each other?

From here on out, I'd like to identify as Miguel Sanchez, if possible.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2021, 8:38 PM
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30% of the population is not vaccinated.
Where did you get this data from? I'm seeing that only 49.2% of the population is fully vaccinated, meaning 50.8% of the population is not vaccinated.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ine-doses.html
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2021, 8:42 PM
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Where did you get this data from? I'm seeing that only 49.2% of the population is fully vaccinated, meaning 50.8% of the population is not vaccinated.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ine-doses.html

If you only count adults who have have had first shots he's not far off.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2021, 8:43 PM
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Where did you get this data from? I'm seeing that only 49.2% of the population is fully vaccinated, meaning 50.8% of the population is not vaccinated.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ine-doses.html
Going with partial vaccination and those above 18. (Remember nobody dies below 29). and those below 12 can't legally get vaxxed,
also none of the vaccines have been approved by the FDA at this point, there are a lot of people that have been hesitant about an injection in their body without FDA approval.

The military (full of a bunch of young wahoos) refuse to get jabbed until FDA approval. Once that happens, boom, vax rates go up, but who cares, they're all young and don't get sick and die.

The most important thing is for old people to get jabbed.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2021, 9:45 PM
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We'll see Antoine.

But as I've told you, I don't even have a basement to hide in and have never withdrawn from society. I just don't do stupid things like dine indoors when outdoors is delightful and attend crowded festivals of bad music. I do pray for you living in a climate where outdoor dining is too hot in summer and too cold in winter and pathetic taste in music is tolerated.

PS: My worst fear would be getting really sick, going to an ER and having you as my doctor.
Howard, I've enjoyed several bars and restaurants (indoors and outdoors) in recent months, and will continue to do so. I received the vaccine for a reason, and I encourage others to do the same: but I can't save the world from its nitwits, I can only live my life.

Now off to bed! You've got TV shows to watch!
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2021, 10:02 PM
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As multiple mutations accumulate, the current vaccines will get less and less effective.
Perhaps, but.....

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This is mostly an issue for government. The FDA simply has to accept that we need them to learn to make decisions quicker.
I don't agree with this. I think Government mandates should mostly go away (and be replaced with public advisories), and we should just focus on perhaps coming up with a yearly vaccine if and only if they are warranted.

Life must move on, and people need to start making their own choices. Just accept it. You may want to live in your basement during the final years of your life, but most of the world doesn't, and won't.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2021, 10:06 PM
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Do you guys have nick names for each other?
^ In case you're late to the discussion, I call him 'Howard' after 'Howard Hughes', a man whose germaphobia drove him insane.

Sound familiar?
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2021, 10:33 PM
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^ In case you're late to the discussion, I call him 'Howard' after 'Howard Hughes', a man whose germaphobia drove him insane.

Sound familiar?
I tried my hardest to understand, but no...
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2021, 10:37 PM
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Do you guys have nick names for each other?

From here on out, I'd like to identify as Miguel Sanchez, if possible.
He thinks I'm a disciple of of Howard Hughes, i.e a germophobe.

He reminds me of Antoine Béchamp:

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The French chemist Antoine Béchamp (1816–1908) was a life-long rival to the great microbiologist Louis Pasteur. Pasteur invented pasteurization and vaccines for rabies and anthrax and discovered that many diseases are caused by invisible germs. Béchamp was a bitter crank who argued that microbes became dangerous when the health of the host—its “terrain” or environment—deteriorated. Béchamp was comprehensively wrong: Pasteur’s germ theory of disease, which describes how sicknesses are caused by bacterial infections (as well as by viruses that invade our cells), or else by genetics, aging, and accidents, is supported by evolutionary theory and all the observations of modern medicine. Today, Béchamp is invoked only by anti-vaxxers and disciples of alternative medicine who believe that food is medicine.
https://www.wired.com/story/the-19th...he-microbiome/
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2021, 10:51 PM
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Okay but we'll just call you "dirty" for short
Woah, that's kind of racist! I'm clean af. I shower on the daily, usually twice thanks to my Spanish/Islamic/European peeps that were passed down to the d00d from centuries prior!


Just kidding I get the whole "Dirty Sanchez" goof. That's dumb stuff I haven't thought of since I was 20.
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2021, 6:54 AM
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I'm clean af. I shower on the daily, usually twice thanks to my Spanish/Islamic/European peeps that were passed down to the d00d from centuries prior!
If you leave your air-conditioned cave in a Phoenix July, you definitely need to shower more than once a day.
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2021, 10:15 AM
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In places where there are high numbers of the unvaccinated, hospitals are filling up. You can pretend otherwise, but they are.
Sounds like they need to prioritise other procedures over treating wilfully unvaccinated Covid patients, and then it’s no one else’s problem.
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2021, 11:02 PM
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2021, 12:38 AM
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I agree, if I get hospitalized because of my refusal to get vaccinated, triage should place me at the end of the line, although many of you believe I should be denied treatment altogether (although I think that's a silly wish because I highly doubt hospitals can turn people away) however the odds of my being hospitalized due to covid are incredibly low which has been my point all along-so low in fact that they're not even worthy of consideration. This is a simple matter of probability and to say the odds are in my favor is the ultimate understatement because where I live right now there is 1 covid patient in hospital out of 870,000 people but many of you here either don't understand math or don't care about it, instead adamantly insisting that it's possible that I could get killed by covid and while that's true, it's also possible I could get killed by a vending machine machine landing on me and i'm as worried about one as I am the other. All of life is a series of calculations of risk versus reward yet for some reason that line of reasoning has been cast aside during the pandemic in our zeal to save everyone

Having said all that I was listening to Dr. Drew Pinsky on a podcast today and he said he's a strong advocate for vaccination which really surprised me as he's not only a renowned physician but he also got covid and became a long hauler so he not only has extensive knowledge about the virus but also an insider's perspective on having it. Granted most that get covid will not end up being long haulers but if you are one of those unlucky individuals, it sounds rough
I'm not sure of your age, but if you think this way then you probably should run out and French kiss the first person with COVID that you can find. Your odds of surviving COVID will get worse as you age, and you will become infected at some point. The best thing for you to do if you won't get vaxxed is to get infected while you are most likely to survive it.
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2021, 2:20 PM
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I agree, if I get hospitalized because of my refusal to get vaccinated, triage should place me at the end of the line, although many of you believe I should be denied treatment altogether (although I think that's a silly wish because I highly doubt hospitals can turn people away) however the odds of my being hospitalized due to covid are incredibly low which has been my point all along-so low in fact that they're not even worthy of consideration. This is a simple matter of probability and to say the odds are in my favor is the ultimate understatement because where I live right now there is 1 covid patient in hospital out of 870,000 people but many of you here either don't understand math or don't care about it, instead adamantly insisting that it's possible that I could get killed by covid and while that's true, it's also possible I could get killed by a vending machine machine landing on me and i'm as worried about one as I am the other. All of life is a series of calculations of risk versus reward yet for some reason that line of reasoning has been cast aside during the pandemic in our zeal to save everyone

Having said all that I was listening to Dr. Drew Pinsky on a podcast today and he said he's a strong advocate for vaccination which really surprised me as he's not only a renowned physician but he also got covid and became a long hauler so he not only has extensive knowledge about the virus but also an insider's perspective on having it. Granted most that get covid will not end up being long haulers but if you are one of those unlucky individuals, it sounds rough
So in your personal calculus, what is the downside of getting vaccinated to potentially prevent a long haul Covid experience?
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2021, 3:11 PM
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Invariably the people who accuse others of "not understanding math" are those with the least amount of education.
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Having said all that I was listening to Dr. Drew Pinsky on a podcast today and he predicts Britney Spears Will Be Released From Conservatorship: 'She Deserves a Chance'.

The guy is an impeachable source of information on everything under the sun! The wrong-wing's answer to Oprah.
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