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Old Posted May 18, 2020, 2:18 PM
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Everyone has a story.... and the guy telling you this story sounds like a first class bullshit artist. Something along the lines of sour grapes and fabrication of stories to drive a narrative.
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I agree. This smells like a fake story to me. I will save my outrage.
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Old Posted May 22, 2020, 9:12 AM
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https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...k4y-story.html

The Seventh Circuit will release a written ruling at a later date hopefully soon

So far its looking good for the Obama foundation
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Old Posted May 22, 2020, 1:05 PM
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I bet Trump tries to block this somehow....just seems like something he would do. Or is this already past federal review stage?
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Old Posted May 22, 2020, 9:54 PM
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No, the federal historic landscape review has dragged on and on.

If it drags on long enough, the Obama Foundation wouldn't be expected to invite Trump to the opening ceremony.

Here's a rather oddly worded report on this week's hearing, that takes the plaintiff's position as its starting point.
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The article makes quite a few damn good points. It would make for much better optics, and make much more sense, if the library were to take up a few vacant, decrepit lots nearby or adjacent to the park; there are plenty of them.
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Old Posted May 28, 2020, 4:55 AM
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https://news.wttw.com/2020/05/27/are...center-lawsuit

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In the latest twist to the Obama Presidential Center saga, appeals court judges are questioning whether a lawsuit against the center’s construction in Jackson Park has any standing in federal court — a query they made after they’d already heard oral arguments in the appeal last week.

Following the hearing, the plaintiff, Protect Our Parks, and defendant, the Chicago Park District, received an order to file supplemental briefs addressing whether they have standing to bring their public trust doctrine claim in federal court. The parties were given until June 4 to comply.

The formal order was a surprise request, said Herbert Caplan, founder of the advocacy group Protect Our Parks, particularly considering that not even the defendant had previously challenged the matter of standing.

Judge Amy Barrett, a 2017 appointee to the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, broached the question of jurisdiction during oral arguments, which Caplan said he thought attorney Richard Epstein, arguing the case on behalf of Protect Our Parks, adequately affirmed. Benna Solomon, deputy corporation counsel for the appeals division of the City of Chicago Law Department, concurred that the case had federal standing.

“It was sort of a clue that at least one and maybe the entire panel (Judges Barrett, Daniel Manion and Michael Brennan) is looking for a way to just kind of duck making a decision on the case,” Caplan said. “I think they’re going through the same kind of anxiety that a lot of people have because former President (Barack) Obama is the central figure, even though he’s not a party to the lawsuit, and I think the judges don’t want to get into the middle of anything that smacks of a political dispute, or could turn into a political dispute. I think their desire and their intention is to get rid of this case fast. That’s why I think they’re looking for ways to get rid of it even faster.”
Kind of surprising Barrett would make this kind of ruling, especially since she's a Trump appointee.

In any case, the center should just be built already. I still stand by the notion that groups like 'Protect the Parks' are nothing more than mostly high class, faux progressive NIMBYISTS who don't even live in the South Side and only care about making the parks postcard friendly, regardless of the fact that they are often underused.
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Old Posted May 28, 2020, 5:24 AM
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^ NIMBYS took out the George Lucas museum, they ain't gonna take this one either!
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Kind of surprising Barrett would make this kind of ruling, especially since she's a Trump appointee.
It's not that simple, judges aren't like executive branch officials that the president can hire and fire at will. Only Congress can remove a judge via impeachment, and given the realities of the impeachment process there has to be a very good reason, not just the president's petty scheming.

Barrett has no reason to act like a toady for Trump, unless she thinks she's a contender for Ginsberg's seat on the Supreme Court AND she thinks Trump will win in the fall... but even then, she has an interest in appearing fair and impartial so she doesn't get trapped in the Senate confirmation process.

I agree with her, though, that this case has questionable standing in Federal court. What relationship does the case have to Federal law? The public trust doctrine is a matter of state law and should properly be heard in a state court. The fact that Jackson Park is a National Register property, or the impacts on Federally funded highway, are kind of a stretch reasoning. However, both plaintiff and defendant want the case in Federal court, but the judges have to decide if that's really appropriate.
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It wasn't a ruling. And that Caplan comment is spin

the panel's questions basically centered on why the opponents were treating federal court like the zoning board
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It wasn't a ruling. And that Caplan comment is spin

the panel's questions basically centered on why the opponents were treating federal court like the zoning board
You should check out Caplan's twitter account. He very clearly has an agenda, and it isn't to 'protect our parks.'
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Old Posted May 28, 2020, 4:52 PM
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The article makes quite a few damn good points. It would make for much better optics, and make much more sense, if the library were to take up a few vacant, decrepit lots nearby or adjacent to the park; there are plenty of them.
These are hardly new points; numerous groups have voiced them time and time again. And good "optics" and "sense" have no place in presidential politics--certainly not anymore.
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2020, 2:46 AM
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The Illinois State Historic Preservation Office has finally sent a Section 106 review letter, and it calls for “additional design review,” specifically requesting that mitigation considerations include shifting the proposed location of the Obama Presidential Center south in Jackson Park. Such a move would allow the connection between Jackson Park and Midway Plaisance to remain intact, the letter stated.

Full story on WTTW website
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2020, 3:12 AM
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So, they want the Women's Garden to remain inaccessible in a tangle of busy roads. Got it. Preservationists seem to love being pedantic about the aesthetics of things and miss the real problem - which is that Olmsted's tranquil pleasure drives have become stressful, deadly drag strips that seriously impair the core function of the park, to promote health, rest and relaxation.

It doesn't seem that difficult to shift the whole complex slightly south, though. The south end is kind of an arbitrary cutoff at the south line of 62nd St, but there's a lot more room to the south before you hit 63rd.
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2020, 8:18 PM
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I feel like I'll be a grandparent by the time this thing gets built...
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2020, 8:27 PM
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Just build it dammit
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2020, 9:16 PM
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I think Obama wants to open it when trump is no longer in power.
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2020, 12:16 AM
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Well then....we are a few months out..
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2020, 4:56 AM
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Well then....we are a few months out..
Mmmm.... you seem pretty confident about that. I’m not really sure trump will lose the electoral college vote. I guess until we watch the debates is kind of pointless for us to make any predictions.
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