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Old Posted Aug 9, 2022, 6:46 PM
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Unsurprisingly, the best fishing spots on Lake Ontario also tend to be the shallow channels in the Bay of Quinte around Prince Edward County.
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2022, 9:39 PM
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switching topics back to boatnerd stuff, the brand new lake-built freighter Mark W. Barker has made its first great lakes sail beyond the waters of lake michigan through lake huron and lake erie and is currently now in port at buffalo.
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^ makes sense. lake erie, at large, is the southernmost and shallowest of the 5 great lakes, and therefore the warmest, which means many fishes.

but the western basin of lake erie, as defined by a line roughly from cedar point up to point pelee along the lake erie islands, is even shallower and warmer still, so maximum fish-ness.


lake erie:
average depth: 62'
maximum depth: 210'

western basin:
average depth: 24'
maximum depth: 62'


the western basin of lake erie is by far the shallowest large-scale region of the 5 great lakes, and only superseded in shallowness in the whole system by lake st. clair, which is unbelievably shallow for its size. i imagine that the fishing on lake st. clair is pretty damn good too. saginaw bay on lake huron ad green bay on lake michigan are relatively shallow as well, but the western basin of lake erie has them both beat.


lake st. clair:
average depth: 11'
maximum depth: 23' natural (a 27' deep shipping channel across the lake is maintained by the army corps of engineeers)




here's a decent bathymetry map showing how much of an outlier lake erie is when it comes to water depths:


source: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...ymetry_map.png
The western portion was also part of the sixth "Great Lake"... part of the Great Black Swamp, which was part of Lake Maumee (before the glaciers). The shallow, almost swampiness, like you mention, is fertile breeding and feeding ground and offers comparatively warm shelter in the winter months. It's almost lagoon-like with the Maumee River draining in there (and pretty disgusting sometimes).

And the eastern portion is relatively deep... providing a seasonal change for our western fish friends in the summer. Fish like diversity in their habitat and will migrate hundreds to thousands of miles season to season / year to year.



Fish just don't have much use for water that's hundreds to over a thousand feet deep, in rather uniform distribution over a large body of water. There are 3 main things that contribute to lots of fishies:

1) wetlands/marshes/river mouths
2) diversity (depth, temp, currents, etc.)
3) structure (peninsulas, ridges, islands, etc.)

Lake Erie has all of these and that's why they fished the crap out of it for a century, and it still replenished.


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Saw the following three ships up in Erie over the past few days:

dShip Carriers Ronnie (had a cargo of wind turbines)


ASC H. Lee White


ASC Sam Laud


Intermarine Bruce (also had cargo of wind turbines)
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Mark W. Barker just pulled into Cleveland for the first time ever this afternoon!
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I was in the Port Colborne area over the weekend, and I think I saw and got a couple pictures of some of these ships you guys are talking about. I'm definitely not a boatnerd, but I do like seeing something out on the horizon on the lake every once in a while.

There was also a small cruise ship docked in Port Colborne Monday morning.
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in news great lakes container cargo shipping finally became self sustaining and no longer requires a subsidy:


https://www.greatlakesnow.org/2022/0...ntainer-cargo/
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All this talk about Great Lakes ships has me thinking about when I was growing up in Kenosha, Wisconsin where we would somewhat regularly have large ships in the harbor serving the industrial port. . .


Wisconsin Historical Society


Kenosha Area Chamber of Commerce

I have fond memories where we'd be prowling around downtown among the factories and along the harbor. . . my folks even befriended a guy that worked on one of the ships - he was from Ireland. . .

Wondering if any of these ships were ocean vessels or strictly confined to the Great Lakes? Like, did this ship transit to Ireland or perhaps this guy was just here working on the ship? Hmm. . . I'll have to ask my folks about that. . .

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^Wow, I didn't know that the area around the Kenosha streetcar was once a dense harbor like that.

What was shipped to and from Kenosha?
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^Thanks for sharing those pictures. Very interesting to see how Kenosha used to look.

Ha! jmecklenborg beat me to it.
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^Wow, I didn't know that the area around the Kenosha streetcar was once a dense harbor like that.

What was shipped to and from Kenosha?
Yeah. . . the downtown was pretty industrial back as recently as the late 1980s, although the factories had been closing one by one for many years prior to that. . . there was a large American Motors (later Chrysler) plant that was on the site at the harbor, so I assume what was shipped was maybe steel and other stuff related to the automotive industry?

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Lake Erie, the shallow, lukewarm bathtub of the Great Lakes.
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Two cool lake view video of Toronto

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^I last visited Toronto in 1994. I seem to recall there being almost nothing around the CN Tower and the Skydome.
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Old Posted Aug 12, 2022, 4:42 AM
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^I last visited Toronto in 1994. I seem to recall there being almost nothing around the CN Tower and the Skydome.
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Mark W. Barker just pulled into Cleveland for the first time ever this afternoon!
Might have to rename this thread "Boatnerd Stuff". In Cleveland -


Source: Facebook | Interlake Steamship Company

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Great to see that The Flats no longer look like a Scooby Doo ghost town!
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This was docked in Port Colborne on Monday morning

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with bonus sherwin-williams hq tower crane up in public square!
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Might have to rename this thread "Boatnerd Stuff". In Cleveland -
That shot of Mark W Barker in Cleveland is freaking awesome!

"Freighters & Scrapers"




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This was docked in Port Colborne on Monday morning
That's Pearl Mist.

She's been cruising the lakes every summer for many years now.
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