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Old Posted Jul 15, 2022, 5:50 AM
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Despite all the tax breaks, etc. LA is and will likely be the center of (western) pop culture for the rest of my life.
Nope. The music industry died 15 years ago and movies are next. Shortly thereafter programmed television will die as will the commercial advertisements that fuel the whole thing.

It's exceptionally expensive to do production in the TMZ. Stick a fork in it well before 2030.
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2022, 7:18 AM
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Nope. The music industry died 15 years ago and movies are next. Shortly thereafter programmed television will die as will the commercial advertisements that fuel the whole thing.

It's exceptionally expensive to do production in the TMZ. Stick a fork in it well before 2030.
Nope. Production is booming within the 30-mile zone, so new soundstages are being built from downtown to the fringe. LA will still be producing whatever is left of the music, television, movie and advertising industries in 2030.
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2022, 2:28 PM
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Nope. Production is booming within the 30-mile zone, so new soundstages are being built from downtown to the fringe. LA will still be producing whatever is left of the music, television, movie and advertising industries in 2030.
What's the TMZ? Regardless, LA and Hollywood will remain the center of entertainment even is some entertainment business move elsewhere or disperse, much like NYC has remained the financial and cultural capital despite scores of businesses dispersing elsewhere. Atlanta is becoming 'Hollywood east' however, mostly due to African-American producers and artists.
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2022, 2:41 PM
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What's the TMZ? Regardless, LA and Hollywood will remain the center of entertainment even is some entertainment business move elsewhere or disperse, much like NYC has remained the financial and cultural capital despite scores of businesses dispersing elsewhere. Atlanta is becoming 'Hollywood east' however, mostly due to African-American producers and artists.
Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_zone

As an aside, LA still has MANY post-production facilities, recording studios, broadcasting studios, etc., many in very non-descript buildings. Like this:

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Michael Jackson recorded his "Thriller" album here. Donna Summer, Giorgio Moroder, Quincy Jones, Billy Idol, Bruce Swedien, Gilberto Gil, Missy Elliott, Madonna, Marilyn Manson, Aaliyah and Justin Timberlake... have all recorded here.

I doubt all of these faciilities will go away en masse anytime soon. Movies may be filmed at various locations, but then after shooting, they often go back to LA to do the post-production work like editing, re-dubbing if they have to, sound mixing, etc.
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2022, 3:45 PM
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Yea, I don't understand the thinking that LA is no longer the center of the film/entertainment industry. Okay, so the actual shooting of films/TV is becoming more dispersed but regardless, all the major studios, actors, agents, support staff, infrastructure, etc. are all based in Hollywood/LA. The industry is much, much, much more than just where TV/movies are filmed.
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2022, 5:20 PM
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What's the TMZ?
It's a 30-mile radius from a particular intersection in LA where various SAG union rules apply. Outside the zone is "on-location" and so a different set of rules apply. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMZ

But if you're completely outside the LA region, you're able to avoid the SAG entirely, and therefore do things much more cheaply.

The move to high ISO digital filming (rather than filming with film, which can't match the quality of digital's high ISO), LED lighting, and endless easy effects in post has taken away LA's core advantage over everywhere else: its predictable high-quality sunlight and a concentrated army of off-screen talent (camera, lights, special effects). The core talent that can't really be replaced digitally is probably wardrobe/makeup/hair and then elaborate backlot sets and the period car collections warehoused by the studios.

Also, editing software is now all cloud-based, which means a fair amount of it is being outsourced to - you guessed it - India.


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Atlanta is becoming 'Hollywood east' however, mostly due to African-American producers and artists.
Atlanta's a media center because of Ted Turner. He established various cable channels there in the 1980s - CNN, TNT, TBS. Oddly, a lot of the Atlanta editing was done in Knoxville, TN, and so to this day Knoxville has various companies that produce cable shows that everyone here has heard of. For example, they do a lot of the true crime shows in Knoxville, meaning you see Knoxville cityscapes in many of the reenactments.
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Entertainment is moving to independent characters who have no need for the Screen Actor's Guild.




It's a 30-mile radius from a particular intersection in LA where various SAG union rules apply. Outside the zone is "on-location" and so a different set of rules apply. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMZ

But if you're completely outside the LA region, you're able to avoid the SAG entirely, and therefore do things much more cheaply.

The move to high ISO digital filming (rather than filming with film, which can't match the quality of digital's high ISO), LED lighting, and endless easy effects in post has taken away LA's core advantage over everywhere else: its predictable high-quality sunlight and a concentrated army of off-screen talent (camera, lights, special effects). The core talent that can't really be replaced digitally is probably wardrobe/makeup/hair and then elaborate backlot sets and the period car collections warehoused by the studios.

Also, editing software is now all cloud-based, which means a fair amount of it is being outsourced to - you guessed it - India.




Atlanta's a media center because of Ted Turner. He established various cable channels there in the 1980s - CNN, TNT, TBS. Oddly, a lot of the Atlanta editing was done in Knoxville, TN, and so to this day Knoxville has various companies that produce cable shows that everyone here has heard of. For example, they do a lot of the true crime shows in Knoxville, meaning you see Knoxville cityscapes in many of the reenactments.
True about Ted Turner and CNN; forgot about it.
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2022, 6:34 PM
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2022, 10:04 PM
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What's the TMZ? Regardless, LA and Hollywood will remain the center of entertainment even is some entertainment business move elsewhere or disperse, much like NYC has remained the financial and cultural capital despite scores of businesses dispersing elsewhere. Atlanta is becoming 'Hollywood east' however, mostly due to African-American producers and artists.
Tyler Perry has one of the biggest studios in the world in Atlanta, but the state of Georgia also filmed more "feature films" (the top 100 films gross) than anywhere else, so big budget films are filmed in Atlanta as well. So are some of the most popular TV shows like Stranger Things and Marvel/Disney stuff are filmed in Atlanta.

You have NBC signing up to lease and operate multiple production facilities at the 43-acre Assembly Studios campus in Atlanta: https://www.foxcarolina.com/2022/06/...l-new-studios/

There are a lot of studios popping up all over the city, even with existing huge studios in place, African American producers/artists are part of it but the established media corporations are also a part of it.
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I think the Knoxville connection is due to Scripps Networks being HQ'ed there.
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What's the deal with Delaware? Retirees?
Low taxes and it is cheaper to live there than most states in the Northeast...especially below the canal.

Once they built the Route 1 expressway that run now from 95 all the way to the beaches, you can get up to Wilmington and Philadelphia fairly quickly. As it was being built starting in the 1990's, the housing developments starting spouting up. When I retire in 10-12 years I hope to move down close to Rehoboth Beach.

It used to take 3-4 hours prior to Route 1 being built to get to Rehoboth and Ocean City, MD. It was all local travel on Route 13 with lights that caused massive backups in Odessa, Smyrna and Dover. Now I can leave Chester County and be in Rehoboth in less than 2 hours..depending how backed up 1 is once you hit Lewes. That last 6 miles to Rehoboth can take at least a half hour in the summer depending on the day of the week and what time you are there. They even made it so you no longer hit multiple lights south of the Dover Air Force Base as that was more a local road but made it more expressway like until you hit the light where DE 16 brings in traffic from the Baltimore/Washington area.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2022, 7:09 PM
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Delaware has a canal. Didn't know that. Looking at a map...is that "Back Creek"?
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