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[Busy Bee]

The "park" should be an ambitious northern expansion of Hudson River Park with a bridge across 9A connecting to the High Line not a squandering of the marshalling yard overdeck ($$$) when Bella Abzug is a block away. Win-win.

Massive Duh.

[Busy Bee]

While we're on the topic of Javits, the conversation needs to be had that the redvelopment potential of that site could very well lead to a total reimagining in the next 20 years. I can see a new convention center on a podium with towers soaring above, but I can also see a scenario where a Sunnyside Yard convention center also gains steam, especially if transit connections are improved. Best case scenario in my book is BOTH. NYC is colossal and one convention center may be better suited for a certain type of event for a certain group of people and an equally large facility in LIC might be a better spot for another.

Either way, I predict proposals pitched regarding a Javits redevelopment to start within a decade. The land will just be too valuable to let a 1980s glass box sit there surrounded by billions of dollars in ultra dense commercial and residential development.

[DCReid]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

While we're on the topic of Javits, the conversation needs to be had that the redvelopment potential of that site could very well lead to a total reimagining in the next 20 years. I can see a new convention center on a podium with towers soaring above, but I can also see a scenario where a Sunnyside Yard convention center also gains steam, especially if transit connections are improved. Best case scenario in my book is BOTH. NYC is colossal and one convention center may be better suited for a certain type of event for a certain group of people and an equally large facility in LIC might be a better spot for another.

Either way, I predict proposals pitched regarding a Javits redevelopment to start within a decade. The land will just be too valuable to let a 1980s glass box sit there surrounded by billions of dollars in ultra dense commercial and residential development.

Yes, deck Javits with affordable housing above and maybe one or two office towers, and also develop a second convention center at Sunnyside, with affordable housing above it.

[NYguy]

The state just spent a lot of money on the Javits Center Expansion. It's not going anywhere anytime soon. As a matter of fact, I can send another expansion in about 10 years.

[Busy Bee]

Twenty years is a good definition of "not anytime soon". But I still predict talk will start regarding its future and I fully expect 20 years from now we will see efforts to build a satellite convention center at Sunnyside and/or a major redevelopment attempt that takes advantage of all the opportunities above Javits. I envision a convention center of its current size in a floating podium about 30' above street level with a reconnected grid to 9A running below. It would share a lot of characteristics with the PABT plan with towers above aligned with the street grid.

[Crawford]

I think Javits will be in Sunnyside within 15-20 years. The renovation was massively downsized and that land is far too valuable for a few annual conventions, which can be held anywhere. And a lot of the renovation was simple maintenance stuff like repairing the roof.

I'd guess the site would most likely end up as a defacto Hudson Yards Phase III. Big waterfront parcel adjacent to the previous phases. Related Companies is most likely to win the site.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

Twenty years is a good definition of "not anytime soon". But I still predict talk will start regarding its future and I fully expect 20 years from now we will see efforts to build a satellite convention center at Sunnyside and/or a major redevelopment attempt that takes advantage of all the opportunities above Javits. I envision a convention center of its current size in a floating podium about 30' above street level with a reconnected grid to 9A running below. It would share a lot of characteristics with the PABT plan with towers above aligned with the street grid.

They have to get serious about Sunnyside. And when they do, they will take decades going back and forth over just what to do with it. That is, unless someone comes along and takes charge. A Robert Moses if you will. Meanwhile, the state doesn't want to take the convention center out of Manhattan because being in Manhattan is a huge draw. It's removed from much of what makes Manhattan an attractive place to visit, but it would be further removed placed in the middle of Sunnyside. I remember the proposal to build a completely new convention center at Aqueduct, that would have been paid for by Resorts World. But only if they got exclusive rights to the city's first casino. Any talk of a major convention center is removed from Resorts World's proposal for a casino license there now. All of the proposals feature some type of meeting space. Perhaps if there were some major landfill added along the shoreline, I could see a convention center being built there.

[skeena222]

Originally Posted by NYguy

They have to get serious about Sunnyside. And when they do, they will take decades going back and forth over just what to do with it. That is, unless someone comes along and takes charge. A Robert Moses if you will. Meanwhile, the state doesn't want to take the convention center out of Manhattan because being in Manhattan is a huge draw. It's removed from much of what makes Manhattan an attractive place to visit, but it would be further removed placed in the middle of Sunnyside. I remember the proposal to build a completely new convention center at Aqueduct, that would have been paid for by Resorts World. But only if they got exclusive rights to the city's first casino. Any talk of a major convention center is removed from Resorts World's proposal for a casino license there now. All of the proposals feature some type of meeting space. Perhaps if there were some major landfill added along the shoreline, I could see a convention center being built there.

While we're on Sunnyside, what that needs to be is sort of like some of these new economic centers we have seen pop up in places like lagos or singapore. Throw up the development platforms, pave the streets and provide some needed park space to the tune of cadman plaza. Don't be pretentious about it either. Deliver the needs.

[TowerDude]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

The "park" should be an ambitious northern expansion of Hudson River Park with a bridge across 9A connecting to the High Line not a squandering of the marshalling yard overdeck ($$$) when Bella Abzug is a block away. Win-win.

Massive Duh.

Money should not always be the prime consideration.

And Abzug Park is too dissected by roads to be a real park anyway.

[NYguy]

Was looking forward to Related's full reveal. But who knows when that will happen with the slow moving state approvals process. Too many moving parts at one time.

Somehow, they didn't understand all of this when creating the various levels of hoops the bidders would have to jump through to get a license.



https://www.crainsnewyork.com/politi...025-state-says

New York City casino bids won't be due until 2025, state reveals






NICK GARBER
March 25, 2024

Bids to open casinos in New York City will not open up until 2025, state officials announced Monday, finally putting a firm timeline on what has been a sluggish run-up to the eagerly awaited process.

[skeena222]

Originally Posted by TowerDude

Money should not always be the prime consideration.

And Abzug Park is too dissected by roads to be a real park anyway.

It's nothing that can be done on anyone's end right now, it's the age difference. Money isn't everything, but it isn't nothing either. A solid bed of finances isn't a bad thing, it's what you put it to use in that makes the difference. That being said, what Abzug Park needs is to be elevated in its own right above street level and that stupid holdout situation with the Manhattan Aquariums rowhouse. An argument could be made to deck over the other exposed portions of railroad even up into Hell’s Kitchen and let development naturally burn its way through.

[Busy Bee]

^ Most of the exposed rail cut is already built over north of 41 St and will eventually be totally covered. The plan for Abzug Park is to cover over the other two open sections from 37 to 39 St's and as far as I know create an elevated bridge sort of thing across the Lincoln Tunnel plaza to 40 St, though I don't see that depicted in the PABT planning docs but that doesn't really mean anything.

[NYguy]

There are people who think even one casino would be too much for New York to handle. Those people are morons.



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[NYguy]

People are too stupid for words.


https://www.amny.com/news/high-line-...-casino-plans/

How one section of the High Line could throw serious wrinkle into Hudson Yards casino plans


By Barbara Russo
April 3, 2024

Friends of the High Line , a nonprofit that oversees many aspects of the popular park along with the NYC Parks Department, is asking the Department of City Planning to review proposed rezoning changes put forth by Related Companies, a mega developer that wants to build a full-service “Vegas-style” casino nearby.

….. At the core of the group’s concerns is a change in how the neighborhood will look. As per a negotiated plan from 2009, this part of the High Line, known as the Western Rail Yard, was to remain mostly residential to maximize light, air and views from open spaces.

Rezoning, however, would allow for new skyscrapers and towers to rise — taking away accessible open space, or as Friends of the High Line put it, the neighborhood’s “character.”

In fact, the Western Rail Yard section of the High Line is often fondly to as the “Rail Yard Preserve,” explained Alan van Capelle, executive director of the Friends of the High Line.

“This is not an insignificant piece of this public park. It’s 20% of it,” van Capelle said. “It’s a very important piece of telling the High Line story to see a self-seed landscape that from the east looks into Manhattan and from the west as breathtaking views of the river.”

…..van Capelle said he is “less concerned about the actual casino,” which represents only about 200,000 square feet of the entire development. His concern is more about how the rezoning could destroy the charm of the area. Hudson Yards on the east was originally designed to be more dense, Alan explained, whereas the western side was to remain spacious and open, per a 2009 agreement with the city.

“Now, they are proposing the same square footage but packed into three mega towers with ginormous podiums that swallow that entire area and close it off from the rest of Manhattan,” he said.

[BK1985]

This doesnt even make any sense, the proposed open area is the same size as the previous proposal.

[Busy Bee]

“Now, they are proposing the same square footage but packed into three mega towers with ginormous podiums that swallow that entire area and close it off from the rest of Manhattan,”

What does this even mean? It's likely he can't even explain it.

[NYguy]

^ He can't. What he meant to say was "now the buildings are taller. Hudson Yards is supposed to be a lowrise district."

What a clown. The buildings were always going to be tall. Now they're taller, but there are fewer of them. Meanwhile, nobody is touching the High Line itself, same as before. Get that creep off the stage!

[Doubleu1117]

"rail yard preserve" lol, where do they find these people. Tell me how increased developed public space, increased green space, and increased access to the high line entrances is anything but a positive for the High Line.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Doubleu1117

"rail yard preserve" lol, where do they find these people. Tell me how increased developed public space, increased green space, and increased access to the high line entrances is anything but a positive for the High Line.

And that section of the High Line is not even the section people love about the High Line. The proposed complex will do no more harm or change in scale than the eastern yard does.

[NYguy]

These people are just stupid.


https://w42st.com/post/community-boa...e-casino-plan/

Community Board Challenges Hudson Yards Shift: From Residential Dream to Office-Casino Plan


by Dashiell Allen
March 4, 2024

Manhattan Community Board 4 (MCB4) says it is “mystified” at a bid by Related Companies, the developer behind Hudson Yards, to modify its plan for the Western Rail Yards to include building offices and a possible casino instead of creating a primarily residential district.

The new proposal is a far cry from the plan agreed upon in 2009 by MCB4, Related and the City of New York, for six buildings containing 5,762 housing units on the Western Rail Yards (W30th to W33rd St bw 11/12th Ave). The new proposal would include 1,507 units, 324 of which would be subsidized-affordable, and the Community Board is none too pleased by the change.

A letter from MCB4 asks Related Companies and the City: “Why should communities around the City of New York work with the real estate industry and the City government to respond and agree to zoning changes with detailed site plans and Points of Agreement when such plans and agreements can be discarded at later date?”

The board “cannot support the proposed project’s drastic shift from residential to commercial use designed around casino use,” the letter states emphatically.

While Rosen stated Related would remain committed to its agreements — including building a school — MCB4 member Josephine Ishmon pointed out at last night’s MCB4 Full Board meeting, the smaller number of residential units “greatly will impact whether we get a school or not,” since there would potentially be less children living in the area. “What I don’t want is that the School Construction Authority says ‘oh no you’re not getting a school, we can’t fill the seats’ … and then what happens to the space?” she asked.

Community Board 4 is also concerned that Related’s proposal does not take into account the increased traffic to the west side that a casino and hotel would bring from patrons entering and leaving. The board’s letter considers that the open space in the proposal would be lodged between the towers, and is not “fully integrated” into “a full site plan.” Other concerns include the possible effects on small businesses in the neighborhood, and that the buildings could block views from the Hudson River to the Empire State Building.

Executives from The High Line have also written to say that they would like to see “the preservation of key sight lines” from their park and “a space free from buildings that unnecessarily encroach and overwhelm it.”