How Is Covid-19 Impacting Life in Your City? - Page 331

hauntedheadnc · #**6601** Posted **Jun 21, 2021, 2:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by JManc

Peer pressure with masking in general is bad. Either wear one or don't but don't because of group think. Those who opt to wear one should do so out of concern for their own health and well-being (e.g. like Pedestrian) not for appearances. Likewise for not wearing one. I'm vaccinated and I hated wearing them so I stopped....even at the expense of being mistaken for a Trumptard.

And yet all this bitching about other people wearing masks, when you can name legitimate reasons they might... But there's still all this bitching when they do it because one doesn't, and can't, know their motivations, but one can, and does, dismiss it as meaningless "virtue signaling." While, I might add, being self-righteous about not wearing a mask.

How about we all just fuck off to our own affairs and let people wear them if they want to? It harms you not at all if someone else, who, let's remember, is not you, is wearing a mask on their personal face.

the urban politician · #**6602** Posted **Jun 21, 2021, 2:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by mrnyc

yeah science, as in the more people who get vaxxed the less we talk about masks. not too difficult.

the urban politician · #**6603** Posted **Jun 21, 2021, 2:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Crawford

What is the "rationality and science" that suggests wearing masks, even indefinitely, is harmful to human health?

^ Straw man point. Your words, not mine.

Masking indefinitely isn't bad for human health, but it makes one look ridiculous, like they have anxiety or paranoia issues.

Are we going to keep going back and forth about this, I thought I already made this point to you like 3 pages ago.

By the way, I would also argue that trying to completely isolate oneself from any exposure to any virus anywhere is not particularly good for one's health (nor is it even possible). Exposure to viruses is exactly how we develop immunity to them. We only have vaccines against 0.0003% of viruses in existence. The rest requires us to train our immune system, and we only get that through exposure.

Steely Dan · #**6604** Posted **Jun 21, 2021, 2:26 PM**

The only places I'm still regularly masking these days are at school drop-off for my kids (the school's rules, not mine), and at our local market where they are still "requesting" (not requiring) customers to wear masks.

I'm enough of a "go along to get along" guy that if an establishment is still requesting masks, I have no issue slapping one on while I shop.

It's just not that big of a deal to me anymore either way now that the silly outdoor masking thing has thankfully gone the way of the dodo around here.

LA21st · #**6605** Posted **Jun 21, 2021, 2:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Crawford

What is the "rationality and science" that suggests wearing masks, even indefinitely, is harmful to human health?

Also, what is the "mindless group think" of some people masked and others unmasked?

Exactly. It sounds like the other group is more mindless group think.

LA21st · #**6606** Posted **Jun 21, 2021, 2:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by the urban politician

^ Straw man point. Your words, not mine.

Masking indefinitely isn't bad for human health, but it makes one look ridiculous, like they have anxiety or paranoia issues.

Are we going to keep going back and forth about this, I thought I already made this point to you like 3 pages ago.

By the way, I would also argue that trying to completely isolate oneself from any exposure to any virus anywhere is not particularly good for one's health (nor is it even possible). Exposure to viruses is exactly how we develop immunity to them. We only have vaccines against 0.0003% of viruses in existence. The rest requires us to train our immune system, and we only get that through exposure.

Ugh, you know over a million people died from this in the world, right?.it would've been much worse if there were no precautions.

the urban politician · #**6607** Posted **Jun 21, 2021, 3:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by LA21st

Ugh, you know over a million people died from this in the world, right?.it would've been much worse if there were no precautions.

Not sure what point you are trying to make. None of this has to do with vaccinated people walking around outdoors with a mask on, but go ahead and do you, bro...

the urban politician · #**6608** Posted **Jun 21, 2021, 3:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan

It's just not that big of a deal to me anymore either way now that the silly outdoor masking thing has thankfully gone the way of the dodo around here.

^ Did you just call mask wearing by vaccinated people outdoors "silly"?

Get ready to be called anti-health by the group-think police!

Anyhow, ironically I'm wearing a mask as I type this message, since I"m at the office and it's still a requirement in healthcare settings.

But I don't wear a mask anywhere else, because vaccines you know, work.

The other thing is that strikingly good looking people like myself are hindered by masks. I think it's the ugly people who want to keep wearing them, it puts them at a level playing field with the rest of society

Steely Dan · #**6609** Posted **Jun 21, 2021, 3:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by the urban politician

^ Did you just call mask wearing by vaccinated people outdoors "silly"?

Get ready to be called anti-health by the group-think police!

i've been saying that outdoor masking (in the vast majority of situations) is pretty damn silly for many months now.

LA21st · #**6610** Posted **Jun 21, 2021, 3:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by the urban politician

Not sure what point you are trying to make. None of this has to do with vaccinated people walking around outdoors with a mask on, but go ahead and do you, bro...

I am vaccinated and walk outside with no mask.
I just think it'd silly to downplay the damage.

TWAK · #**6611** Posted **Jun 21, 2021, 4:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by the urban politician

Increasingly, people in places like SF aren’t very open minded people. It’s all about mindless group think

I’m glad I don’t subscribe to that. Rationality and science matters more to me

Then explain why basically all the loudest anti-maskers are from one metro area (Chicago) on the forum? Even 10023.....
Geographical groupthink.
Or Chi-town had a worse experience than lets say....Baghdad?

JManc · #**6612** Posted **Jun 21, 2021, 5:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by hauntedheadnc

And yet all this bitching about other people wearing masks, when you can name legitimate reasons they might... But there's still all this bitching when they do it because one doesn't, and can't, know their motivations, but one can, and does, dismiss it as meaningless "virtue signaling." While, I might add, being self-righteous about not wearing a mask.

How about we all just fuck off to our own affairs and let people wear them if they want to? It harms you not at all if someone else, who, let's remember, is not you, is wearing a mask on their personal face.

That's not what is happening though. I can't believe the vast majority of people in SF want to wear a mask but probably do anyway because of what others might think of them or that's simply what's expected of them. People here on this forum have mentioned examples where they just wore them to avoid negative reactions.

Those who want to wear a mask in areas that are anti-mask are less prone to buckling under the peer pressure. And good on them.

Steely Dan · #**6613** Posted **Jun 21, 2021, 5:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by TWAK

Then explain why basically all the loudest anti-maskers are from one metro area (Chicago) on the forum?

huh?

name them.

it's like two guys (TUP & bnk).

and those two goofballs aren't just loud-mouthed about masks, they're loud-mouthed ax-grinders in general, about any vaguely political topic.

TWAK · #**6614** Posted **Jun 21, 2021, 6:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan

huh?

name them.

it's like two guys (TUP & bnk).

and those two goofballs aren't just loud-mouthed about masks, they're loud-mouthed ax-grinders in general, about any vaguely political topic.

10023, twister, lvdw, jtownman, possibly more. I didn't mean you since..."pretty darn silly" is incredibly tame and not loud at all.
Sorry for noticing guys...but remember CA is the lockdown state so it's ok to attack us

. Just don't consider it for the Northern parts of the state...too red.

Steely Dan · #**6615** Posted **Jun 21, 2021, 6:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by TWAK

10023, twister, lvdw, jtownman

10023 - hasn't lived in chicago for well over a decade now

twister - just an extended stay tourist. was very recently living in denver. now temporarily in chicago for the summer. will be moving on to his next "home" very shortly.

lvdw - haven't noticed him saying much of anything about masks.

jtownman - yeah, i did forget he moved here for school. i still think of him as a virginian.

and how about:

Jmanc - not a chicagoan

camelback - not a chicagoan

phil mcavity - not a chicagoan

photolith - not a chicagoan

twister244 · #**6616** Posted **Jun 21, 2021, 7:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan

10023 - hasn't lived in chicago for well over a decade now

twister - just an extended stay tourist. was very recently living in denver. now temporarily in chicago for the summer. will be moving on to his next "home" very shortly.

lvdw - haven't noticed him saying much of anything about masks.

jtownman - yeah, i did forget he moved here for school. i still think of him as a virginian.

and how about:

Jmanc - not a chicagoan

camelback - not a chicagoan

phil mcavity - not a chicagoan

photolith - not a chicagoan

You pay attention to details

For everyone here, since this thread is supposed to be "no politics" and more local impacts of the pandemic (or what's left of it) - I would recommend going to the Jungle (CE thread) to throw poo at people with respect to masks. It's great, we have free wine over there.

TWAK · #**6617** Posted **Jun 21, 2021, 7:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan

and how about:

Jmanc - not a chicagoan

camelback - not a chicagoan

phil mcavity - not a chicagoan

Not sure about that one (he isn't yelling), but that basically is the entire list! So, it's outsiders who move to the metro, and was it really that bad or are they overblowing it?

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Originally Posted by twister244

You pay attention to details

For everyone here, since this thread is supposed to be "no politics" and more local impacts of the pandemic (or what's left of it) - I would recommend going to the Jungle (CE thread) to throw poo at people with respect to masks. It's great, we have free wine over there.

Nah they too scared, but you aren't.

Pedestrian · #**6618** Posted **Jun 21, 2021, 7:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by the urban politician

Increasingly, people in places like SF aren’t very open minded people. It’s all about mindless group think

I’m glad I don’t subscribe to that. Rationality and science matters more to me

Don't mistake the loudmouthed progressives for the mass of the population.

Steely Dan · #**6619** Posted **Jun 21, 2021, 7:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by TWAK

Being an expert in Chicago, was it really that bad or are they overblowing it?

was what ever that bad?

covid?

chicagoland had a slightly worse than average experience with covid compared against other major US cities as far as infection* and death rates go.

(*) IL went all-in on testing pretty early, so our infection numbers will always look worse on paper compared against states with lazier attitudes toward testing, where LOTS of cases went unconfirmed.

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Originally Posted by twister244

You pay attention to details

you've talked about your new nomadic lifestyle in this and other threads many times now recently.

Pedestrian · #**6620** Posted **Jun 21, 2021, 7:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Phil McAvity

I'm no fan of Gavin Nuisance but that whole thing at the French Laundry was ridiculous. How was he supposed to eat/drink while wearing a mask?

What was ridiculous was that he was telling people to STAY HOME at that point and AVOID GROUPS OF PEOPLE and he had CLOSED RESTAURANTS TO INDOOR DINING so what did he do? He rented a restaurant, invited a group and they all left their homes and gathered and took off their masks and schmoozed.

It wasn't that he wasn't wearing a mask while eating. It was that he wasn't home and was throwing a party in a supposedly closed restaurant that pretty much required the doffing of masks (to eat, as you say).