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Old Posted May 3, 2021, 10:50 PM
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If there’s always a case to be made for anywhere is not too have too many eggs in one basket as evidenced with coal and manufacturing in the north east.

The Middle East kingdoms have long got that message and are trying to move on from just depending upon oil.
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Old Posted May 4, 2021, 2:40 AM
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Wait, so the Brightline in Florida hasn't been running for a while now because of the pandemic? I understand they're a private company, but what the hell kind of "public transportation" service is that?
Because they are a private company, not public transportation. With the pandemic, fewer people were traveling, so they didn't see themselves making a profit running the trains, so they didn't run the trains.
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Old Posted May 4, 2021, 4:07 AM
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Texas and Florida are the present; not the future, IMO. They are already No. 2 & 3 in population.

Texas and Florida are growing rapidly; elevating in national status, but are merely repeating what California did from the 1940's to the 1990's. In this time, California inspired the world and was the envy of every state as it demonstrated the new model of city and state building in the post war boom. This was truly the image of the future manifesting as it created the American Dream... California was the fastest growing state with low taxes and cheap/plentiful land depicting Beautiful Suburban Sprawling neighborhoods, building great universities, highly developing industries, all of which attracted people to move from all over the world... etc. I love Florida as that is the state I was born and raised in; and Texas is great, but Nothing new or innovative is being caused in either of these states. Yes, they will have more influence over the national government, but that's hardly "the future."



The American Dream is being checked by shifting climate patterns and the effects of rapid growth; CA is the first to really feel the effect... but it won't be the last. What is in the future for these already established states is all of the things that California is dealing with now. Traffic, pollution, rapid demographic shifts, high costs of living, displacement, built out infrastructure, transition from solidly Red to Blue, cities that have no more place to grow outward, and climate change checking growth... leading to new and more laws/taxes, and structures to check the effects of the rapid growth. California's unchecked sprawl led to wild fires cleansing areas where humans probably shouldn't live in mass. California's massive growth ignorant of the effects of cars on air pollution, led to the worst polluted cities in the nation. As a reaction, environmental laws were passed and agency created to deal with it (^taxes). The once perceived "gold standard" massive freeway networks were widened to the point where there is no more space, leading to the worst traffic in the nation.

Texas is merely repeating massive unchecked sprawl growth, leading to effects such traffic, pollution, more Hurricane Harvey Houston flooding, droughts, and more winter storms knocking out power, thereby pissing people off and them reacting by creating more laws/taxes to prevent/protect. This is all stuff that is sort of "been there, done that"

What lies in "the future" is something else that we have yet to see demonstrated from these states. A future outside of Red/Blue bickering, outside of sprawl, surface car traffic and big box stores..., a new way of life that inspires the world... and I dont see it in either of these places. Would love to see the future somewhere... Florida and Texas are just an ordinary sunbelt growth boom/bust state story following an already established model

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Old Posted May 4, 2021, 11:39 AM
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I think the main takeaway, politically, is for the Democrats and Progressives to capitalize on these two states, as well as GA, NC, and the other 2nd tier Southern states. The coastal elites, now more than ever, cannot afford to ignore the South. California and New York will continue to be highly developed, but they aren't going to enjoy being without strong competition for long.

I personally want FL and TX to succeed, at least before the full effects of climate change. They are carrying the South, a place that needs to rise again, not as a backwater part of the nation, but as a region that contributes as much to the development of America as the NE, Midwest, and West.
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If there’s always a case to be made for anywhere is not too have too many eggs in one basket as evidenced with coal and manufacturing in the north east.

The Middle East kingdoms have long got that message and are trying to move on from just depending upon oil.
That's the case for Texas. It had the biggest oil boom and bust since 80s and it still was number #2 in economic growth and #1 in population growth.
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I always get a chuckle out of it when California beats up on Texas or when Texas beats up on California. They both pretty much have the same problems. Wildfires, floods, earthquakes/hurricanes, expensive housing, traffic, growing pains, etc.

This meme knows what's up. By the way, Florida would be the short one.

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And New York is who exactly? Draco Malfoy?
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I always get a chuckle out of it when California beats up on Texas or when Texas beats up on California. They both pretty much have the same problems. Wildfires, floods, earthquakes/hurricanes, expensive housing, traffic, growing pains, etc.


It’s much more one-sided than that. Texas Republicans are a unique breed of “us vs them”. Their politicians have long well-documented history of taking giddy pleasure in the denial of federal aid and schadenfreude in order to “pwn the libs” when natural disasters affect liberal states.
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It’s much more one-sided than that. Texas Republicans are a unique breed of “us vs them”. Their politicians have long well-documented history of taking giddy pleasure in the denial of federal aid and schadenfreude in order to “pwn the libs” when natural disasters affect liberal states.
I agree. It's really nasty on social media in the past 4 or 5 years.
I think Californians or new yorkers don't care as much but Texas and too a smaller extent, Florida, as become awful with that.
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It’s much more one-sided than that. Texas Republicans are a unique breed of “us vs them”. Their politicians have long well-documented history of taking giddy pleasure in the denial of federal aid and schadenfreude in order to “pwn the libs” when natural disasters affect liberal states.
Yep. I was talking more about the residents of both states, but you're right about Texas GOP politicians. I think the only state that *some* Texans hate more than Oklahoma is California, but not because it's a yucky place, but because it messes with their political OCD. Apparently, in politics having a lopsided government is what you're hoping for.
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Its definitely a political thing.
They want the entire country to become conservative.
It's kinda nuts
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This meme knows what's up. By the way, Florida would be the short one.


FL + TX + CA = 90,221,915
= 27.22% of the total population
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how texas can avoid california pitfalls:


https://www.bloombergquint.com/gadfl...ome-california
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