Worldwide Demographics - Page 31

Yuri · #**601** Posted **Jul 26, 2022, 3:53 PM**

Brazilian 2022 Census will start on Aug 1st. First data will be released already this year.

Last week Brazilian Statistical Office released 2021 PNAD, a yearly very comprehensive survey. A bit like American Community Survey.

Some data:

--- Brazil has 212.7 million (2021); a 7.5% growth over 2012;

--- Brazilian population under 30 y/o actually shrank by -5.4% (2012-2021). That's massive as they're still half of country. In other words, the youngest half of the country is shrinking already;

--- Brazilian population above 60 y/o, on the other hand, skyrocketed, growing by 39.8% (2012-2021). They're now 14.7% of population;

--- 47% of Brazilians are Mixed; 43% are White and 9.1% are Black. South Region is the Whitest (75%) whereas the North Region is the least: 17%;

--- 68% of Brazilian households are nuclear-family ones; 16% are extended-family; 15% have only one dweller; and 1% are composed;

--- 51.1% women; 48.9% men.

Yuri · #**602** Posted **Aug 2, 2022, 6:10 PM**

2022 Bangladesh Census

165,158,616 inhabitants; that's way below than the 172.8 million estimate.

1991: 106,314,992
2001: 124,355,263 --- 16.97%
2011: 144,043,697 --- 15.83%
2022: 165,158,616 --- 14.65%

Yuri · #**603** Posted **Aug 14, 2022, 2:26 PM**

As estimates alligned themselves, here metro area numbers from some Northwestern European countries:

------------------- 2021 -------- 2011 -------- 2001 ----------- Area -------- Growth %

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DEUTSCHLAND -- 83,237,124 --- 80,219,695 --- 82,440,309 -- 357,022 km² --- 3.8% --- -2.7% NEDERLAND ---- 17,474,693 --- 16,655,799 --- 15,985,538 --- 33,671 km² --- 4.9% ---- 4.2% BELGIË ------- 11,492,641 --- 10,839,905 --- 10,239,085 --- 30,528 km² --- 6.0% ---- 5.9% ÖSTERREICH ---- 8,932,664 ---- 8,401,940 ---- 8,032,857 --- 83,879 km² --- 6.3% ---- 4.6% SCHWEIZ ------- 8,670,300 ---- 7,870,134 ---- 7,288,010 --- 41,285 km² -- 10.2% ---- 8.0%

------------------- 2021 -------- 2011 -------- 2001 ----------- Area -------- Growth %

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RUHR ---------- 5,613,496 ---- 5,584,261 ---- 5,899,527 --- 5,036 km² ---- 0.5% --- -5.3% BERLIN -------- 4,695,640 ---- 4,189,798 ---- 4,209,385 --- 3,754 km² --- 12.1% --- -0.5% HAMBURG ------- 2,723,632 ---- 2,516,069 ---- 2,515,532 --- 2,536 km² ---- 8.2% ---- 0.0% STUTTGART ----- 2,524,853 ---- 2,369,477 ---- 2,376,510 --- 3,011 km² ---- 6.6% --- -0.3% WIEN ---------- 2,479,958 ---- 2,228,228 ---- 2,019,715 --- 4,227 km² --- 11.3% --- 10.3% MÜNCHEN ------- 2,429,602 ---- 2,203,533 ---- 2,049,062 --- 2,629 km² --- 10.3% ---- 7.5% AMSTERDAM ----- 2,287,854 ---- 2,098,078 ---- 1,936,762 --- 1,320 km² ---- 9.0% ---- 8.3% BRUXELLES ----- 2,135,813 ---- 1,942,844 ---- 1,761,760 --- 1,474 km² ---- 9.9% --- 10.3% FRANKFURT ----- 2,047,947 ---- 1,851,185 ---- 1,833,429 --- 1,438 km² --- 10.6% ---- 1.0% KÖLN ---------- 1,992,267 ---- 1,894,456 ---- 1,863,724 --- 1,626 km² ---- 5.2% ---- 1.6% ROTTERDAM ----- 1,808,675 ---- 1,714,258 ---- 1,674,532 --- 1,186 km² ---- 5.5% ---- 2.4% ZÜRICH -------- 1,808,185 ---- 1,601,298 ---- 1,449,012 --- 2,037 km² --- 12.9% --- 10.5% MANNHEIM ------ 1,613,790 ---- 1,519,387 ---- 1,545,874 --- 2,048 km² ---- 6.2% --- -1.7% DÜSSELDORF ---- 1,556,384 ---- 1,501,462 ---- 1,525,471 --- 1,201 km² ---- 3.7% --- -1.6% DEN HAAG ------ 1,436,418 ---- 1,323,611 ---- 1,283,500 ----- 529 km² ---- 8.5% ---- 3.1% ANTWERPEN ----- 1,035,709 ------ 965,792 ------ 914,410 ----- 896 km² ---- 7.2% ---- 5.6% NÜRNBERG ------ 1,003,395 ------ 941,702 ------ 943,952 ----- 739 km² ---- 6.6% --- -0.2% BREMEN ---------- 922,469 ------ 885,613 ------ 887,358 --- 1,534 km² ---- 4.2% --- -0.2% HANNOVER -------- 912,218 ------ 863,436 ------ 876,513 ----- 959 km² ---- 5.6% --- -1.5% DRESDEN --------- 787,586 ------ 738,407 ------ 714,496 ----- 771 km² ---- 6.7% ---- 3.3% UTRECHT --------- 762,728 ------ 698,205 ------ 624,423 ----- 567 km² ---- 9.2% --- 11.8% BONN ------------ 726,837 ------ 683,907 ------ 684,555 ----- 623 km² ---- 6.3% --- -0.1% LEIPZIG --------- 709,198 ------ 603,420 ------ 597,775 ----- 685 km² --- 17.5% ---- 0.9% WUPPERTAL ------- 625,299 ------ 608,634 ------ 648,569 ----- 332 km² ---- 2.7% --- -6.2% GENÈVE ---------- 609,648 ------ 547,316 ------ 487,756 ----- 590 km² --- 11.4% --- 12.2% EINDHOVEN ------- 556,927 ------ 521,918 ------ 499,164 ----- 430 km² ---- 6.7% ---- 4.6% BASEL ----------- 556,670 ------ 522,676 ------ 502,688 ----- 742 km² ---- 6.5% ---- 4.0% LIÈGE ----------- 551,538 ------ 533,065 ------ 518,986 ----- 484 km² ---- 3.5% ---- 2.7% AACHEN ---------- 520,756 ------ 503,997 ------ 517,245 ----- 463 km² ---- 3.3% --- -2.6%

And that's how the US compares. Not in terms of population though, but in terms of growth rates as metro area definitions used here are way wider:

------------------------ 2020 -------- 2010 -------- 2000 ----------- Area -------- Growth %
UNITED STATES ---- 331,449,281 -- 308,745,538 -- 281,421,906 - 9,149,429 km² --- 7.3% --- 9.7%

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NEW YORK ----- 22,692,839 --- 21,358,372 --- 20,675,403 --- 21,770 km² --- 6.2% --- 3.3% LOS ANGELES -- 18,644,680 --- 17,877,006 --- 16,373,645 --- 87,982 km² --- 4.3% --- 9.2% CHICAGO ------- 9,618,502 ---- 9,461,105 ---- 9,098,314 --- 18,634 km² --- 1.7% --- 4.0% SAN FRANCISCO - 8,036,501 ---- 7,413,121 ---- 7,039,362 --- 19,943 km² --- 8.4% --- 5.3% DALLAS -------- 7,637,387 ---- 6,366,542 ---- 5,156,217 --- 22,469 km² -- 20.0% -- 23.5% HOUSTON ------- 7,122,240 ---- 5,920,416 ---- 4,693,161 --- 21,416 km² -- 20.3% -- 26.1% PHILADELPHIA -- 6,245,051 ---- 5,965,353 ---- 5,687,147 --- 11,922 km² --- 4.7% --- 4.9% MIAMI --------- 6,138,333 ---- 5,564,635 ---- 5,007,564 --- 13,123 km² -- 10.3% -- 11.1% WASHINGTON ---- 6,105,431 ---- 5,388,326 ---- 4,635,194 --- 12,403 km² -- 13.3% -- 15.8% BOSTON -------- 6,095,791 ---- 5,628,532 ---- 5,410,915 --- 14,621 km² --- 8.3% --- 4.0% ATLANTA ------- 6,089,815 ---- 5,286,728 ---- 4,263,438 --- 22,496 km² -- 15.2% -- 24.0% DETROIT ------- 5,325,319 ---- 5,218,852 ---- 5,357,538 --- 14,983 km² --- 2.0% -- -2.6% SEATTLE-------- 4,871,272 ---- 4,199,312 ---- 3,707,144 --- 25,604 km² -- 16.0% -- 13.3% PHOENIX ------- 4,845,832 ---- 4,192,887 ---- 3,251,876 --- 37,731 km² -- 15.6% -- 28.9%

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As the US slows down, all those European countries speed up due their more open door immigration policies. Switzerland is growing faster than the US and Austria and Belgium tracking it closely.

And as result, European metro areas are also growing faster, overall faster than virtually all major US metro areas outside Sunbelt. Several at double-digit rates: Berlin, Vienna, Munich, Frankfurt, Zurich, Geneva. Special mention to Leipzig, growing at insane 17.5%. Texan pace.

Crawford · #**604** Posted **Aug 14, 2022, 2:30 PM**

Germany had a temporary boost due to a gigantic migrant influx under Merkel. And the U.S. had a temporary dip due to a virtual immigration halt under Dotard. Neither trend is relevant long-term.

Leipzig is a rust-belt city that was one of the epicenters of migrant relocation.

Yuri · #**605** Posted **Aug 14, 2022, 2:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Crawford

Germany had a temporary boost due to a gigantic migrant influx under Merkel. And the U.S. had a temporary dip due to a virtual immigration halt under Dotard. Neither trend is relevant long-term.

Leipzig is a rust-belt city that was one of the epicenters of migrant relocation.

Leipzig is much more than that. Go google and you'll find the city is growing like crazy year after year. It's not the Syrian boost. The city is covered with cranes and it's been dubbed the smaller Berlin. It's the hottest place in Germany right now.

iheartthed · #**606** Posted **Aug 14, 2022, 4:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by Yuri

As the US slows down, all those European countries speed up due their more open door immigration policies. Switzerland is growing faster than the US and Austria and Belgium tracking it closely.

And as result, European metro areas are also growing faster, overall faster than virtually all major US metro areas outside Sunbelt. Several at double-digit rates: Berlin, Vienna, Munich, Frankfurt, Zurich, Geneva. Special mention to Leipzig, growing at insane 17.5%. Texan pace.

Switzerland's population is smaller than New York City, so I don't know if you can draw a ton of conclusions out of comparing that country's rate of growth with the third largest country on the planet.

Yuri · #**607** Posted **Aug 14, 2022, 7:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by iheartthed

Switzerland's population is smaller than New York City, so I don't know if you can draw a ton of conclusions out of comparing that country's rate of growth with the third largest country on the planet.

I compared trends. Those European ones are upwards, and the US downwards. And those 5 countries have 128 million people combined. With British Islands and Scandinavia, with the same trends, we talking about 225 million or so.

In the 2000’s the US had natural growth. That’s not the case for the 2020’s. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Western Europe as a whole will grow faster than the US this decade.

Yuri · #**608** Posted **Aug 26, 2022, 1:38 PM**

CNN:
South Korea records world's lowest fertility rate -- again

0.81 in 2021 down from 0.84 in 2020. If I'm not mistaken, those are the lowest figures ever recorded in a country.

Japan was like 20-25 ahead South Korea in terms with demographic transition. Now, with such ultra-low rates, Japan is only 8-10 years ahead, and at this pace, South Korea will jump ahead within 5 years or so.

The article also mentioned the United States, that recorded 1.64 (2020) and 1.66 (2021), also the lowest ever for them.

Crawford · #**609** Posted **Aug 26, 2022, 1:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by iheartthed

Switzerland's population is smaller than New York City, so I don't know if you can draw a ton of conclusions out of comparing that country's rate of growth with the third largest country on the planet.

And most Swiss "immigration" is from neighboring countries temporarily living there. Germans and French are Switzerland's top "immigrants". Switzerland and Luxembourg have higher compensation structures and are often highly meritocratic, so often make it worthwhile to work there for a few years. Multiple German cousins of mine worked in Basel and Zurich during their careers.

Swiss are actually stricter than most European countries regarding "real" immigration. Much easier to permanently immigrate to Germany than to Switzerland.

Yuri · #**610** Posted **Aug 26, 2022, 2:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Crawford

And most Swiss "immigration" is from neighboring countries temporarily living there. Germans and French are Switzerland's top "immigrants". Switzerland and Luxembourg have higher compensation structures and are often highly meritocratic, so often make it worthwhile to work there for a few years. Multiple German cousins of mine worked in Basel and Zurich during their careers.

Swiss are actually stricter than most European countries regarding "real" immigration. Much easier to permanently immigrate to Germany than to Switzerland.

Portuguese are big in both countries too.

In 2020 there were 2.21 million permanent resident foreigners in Switzerland, of which 1.83 million are Europeans (up from 1.26 million in 2000). Africans jumped from 37k in 2000 to 114k in 2020, Asians from 72k to 175k and Americans (continent) from 49k to 83k.

I searched and naturalizations are quite big too: they keep an average of 35k/year, so over those two decades, 700k foreigners got Swiss citizenship.

Based on those figures I guess almost 40% of Swiss population is foreign-born.

iheartthed · #**611** Posted **Aug 26, 2022, 4:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Crawford

And most Swiss "immigration" is from neighboring countries temporarily living there. Germans and French are Switzerland's top "immigrants". Switzerland and Luxembourg have higher compensation structures and are often highly meritocratic, so often make it worthwhile to work there for a few years. Multiple German cousins of mine worked in Basel and Zurich during their careers.

Swiss are actually stricter than most European countries regarding "real" immigration. Much easier to permanently immigrate to Germany than to Switzerland.

Yes, I know first hand. I needed to get a Swiss work visa once and that was a ridiculous process since I wasn't actually moving there. I just needed it to work on a short project in the country. It took so long that I ended up not going.

Nite · #**612** Posted **Aug 27, 2022, 2:06 AM**

Canada on Track to Exceed Lofty 2022 Immigration Target

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(Reuters) - Canada is on track to exceed its immigration goal of granting permanent residency to more than 430,000 people in 2022, Immigration Minister Sean Fraser said on Wednesday.

Fraser, speaking to reporters in Vancouver, also announced a plan to hire up to 1,250 workers to tackle a record high number of immigration applicants.

Canada, which depends on immigration to drive its economy and support an aging population, has been ramping up annual immigration and has a goal of adding 451,000 permanent residents in 2024.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's government has relied on immigration to boost the Canadian economy since coming to power in 2015, setting an annual target of about 1% of the country's population.

Official data released earlier this year showed Canada's population rose to 37 million people in 2021, up 5.2% from 2016, driven mostly by immigration.

By end of July this year, Canada had added more than 275,000 permanent residents, Fraser said on Wednesday.

"This puts us well on track to exceed our goal of 431,000 permanent residents over the course of this year," Fraser said.

With tighter border measures due to the coronavirus pandemic last year, Canada focused efforts on temporary residents already in the country to achieve a target of granting 401,000 foreigners permanent residency.

Canada had also processed some 3.73 million temporary residency applications by July, compared with 2.97 million applications during the same period a year ago.

"What we're seeing right now is a record number of cases come in for applications and record productivity. But still the demand is exceeding our processing capacity for the time being," Fraser said.

Fraser said about 54% of applications were considered in backlog, and the new hires would help to process them and reduce wait times for fresh applicants.

(Reporting by Ismail Shakil in Ottawa; Editing by Leslie Adler)

Yuri · #**613** Posted **Aug 27, 2022, 4:38 PM**

Canada is more and more aggressive. I always get ads from them, national and provinces, specially from Quebec.

Acajack · #**614** Posted **Aug 29, 2022, 9:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by Yuri

Canada is more and more aggressive. I always get ads from them, national and provinces, specially from Quebec.

Nous sommes très gentils ici!

Yuri · #**615** Posted **Aug 29, 2022, 9:42 PM**

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Nous sommes très gentils ici!

Eh bien, dans 10 minutes mon cours à l'Alliance Française commence. Montréal, attends-moi!

Acajack · #**616** Posted **Aug 29, 2022, 10:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by Yuri

Eh bien, dans 10 minutes mon cours à l'Alliance Française commence. Montréal, attends-moi!

Fantástico!

Météo paulista à Montréal présentement: +30C & 40 humidex.

Yuri · #**617** Posted **Aug 29, 2022, 10:24 PM**

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Fantástico!

Météo paulista à Montréal présentement: +30C & 40 humidex.

Et rassurez-vous: si j'y emménage, il n'y aura pas de changement de nom pour le Gay Village.

P.S. Studying participe présent (qui enchaînent/enchaînant). French is impossible.

mousquet · #**618** Posted **Aug 30, 2022, 5:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by Yuri

Eh bien, dans 10 minutes mon cours à l'Alliance Française commence. Montréal, attends-moi!

Ah ouais... It doesn't seem too hard for you to learn about foreign languages, is it?
Good for you. You appear to be a flexible mind.

You're the Brazilian guy with a British flag, that's kind of odd, but French won't be any real problem to you if Portuguese is your mother tongue.
We've seen a whole lot of Portuguese quite comfortable with our language.
Like it's not so hard for them to learn it.

Yuri · #**619** Posted **Aug 30, 2022, 6:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by mousquet

Ah ouais... It doesn't seem too hard for you to learn about foreign languages, is it?
Good for you. You appear to be a flexible mind.

You're the Brazilian guy with a British flag, that's kind of odd, but French won't be any real problem to you if Portuguese is your mother tongue.
We've seen a whole lot of Portuguese quite comfortable with our language.
Like it's not so hard for them to learn it.

Yeah, I find my English good (I don't know if you guys thing the same though...). I'm aware I commit some mistakes while writing, but I can write big, formal texts without any external support. And as I've never lived in an English-speaking country, I think it's fine, specially as writing is the most difficult competence. I have one of those C2 level certificates too and I renew it once in a while.

About French, as soon as you reach the Intermediate level (where I'm right now), French seems as close as Spanish. You can speak it, understand it, read it very well, but writing or speak very correctly, it's still challenging. Maybe I should visit Quebec's section and take some risks there. It would help to improve my writing. I hear my teacher talking, with a perfect accent, going very deep into complex grammatical structures, with all those French mannerisms and vocalizations and I think, "damn I'll never get there".

I studied German when I was 18-19. I can still hold short conversations, have a very decent vocabulary, but it's a bit useless right now. Next year, I intend to resume it at Goethe as I did with French last semester after 10 years without studying it.

I'm not a big fan of learning languages per se. When I was younger, I was. Today, it's only a productive way to distract me from my job that not includes burning money on clubs, restaurants, bars. And of course, it's nice to travel using the local language.

MAC123 · #**620** Posted **Aug 30, 2022, 7:07 PM**

You've never lived in an English speaking country and you're this good?

You can definitely at least write English at a proficient level, better than some Americans, and certainly better than I can write in Portuguese. As in not at all.