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Old Posted Mar 6, 2021, 11:38 PM
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"I do miss the Bastille-castle-like old Hall of Records (almost as much as the Richfield tower). But the odd angle because of the old street layout got in the way of the civic mall plans, and maybe it was not up to seismic codes, so it had to go I suppose. Still, I miss it. At least we still have the Daily Planet, I mean City Hall."

I wish they would design and build buildings like that these days. Every year I am increasingly disgusted by what passes as architecture.
In fact it seems more like a race to the bottom. Uglier and uglier buildings, constructed out of the cheapest material, with the minimalist of design and effort.
And somehow people, not only accept these "buildings", they actually seem to like the laziness and lack of taste for some reason.

/rant.
Mostly agree. Some modern and post modern has been fairly well done, like the Library (U.S. Bank) and Wilshire Grand. As I have said before, would love to see a noirish "neo" art deco or "neo" gothic tower(s) in DTLA that replicated the beauty of the Richfield, Empire State or Chrysler buildings. Why should these beloved styles go away forever? More spires, not just boxes now that the heli landing pad law has been removed I believe. Super tall would be nice, but even 700 footer would be great. L.A. probably would have had a pre-1950s if not for the 150 foot height limit that restricted height until the late 1950s. City Hall got an exemption in the 1920s, and the decorative spires of Richfield and Eastern Columbia (the cool blue tower) and a couple of others also were allowed to go higher (Richfield almost 400' to the top of the spire). On the other hand, if buildings were made more costly to build, might get fewer built since the economics and financing wouldn't pencil out. More better designed buildings with affordable materials hopefully.

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Doug, if you don't like a topic it doesn't mean that others don't find it interesting.

KevinW was right to call you out on your snide remark about the possiblity that circus paintings were incorporated into the Beckman Furs sign.

I fully expect that you will now attack me. Instead, you could start a discussion on a subject that you find interesting. That would be most welcome.

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And thanks Ethereal for clearing that up.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2021, 3:12 AM
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Cross dressing car promoter goes to jail for fraud


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LA's greatest car is soon to be on TV.

DALE the one prototype car was a hurry up job with a plywood door.


Dale car

More here about scammer car promoter.....https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/202...e-family-death

She was born a male Jerry Dean Michael in 1927 Indiana and spent ''her'' life doing many scams while posing as a female. She finally ended up in Dale, TX of all places.

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Doug, if you don't like a topic it doesn't mean that others don't find it interesting.

KevinW was right to call you out on your snide remark about the possiblity that circus paintings were incorporated into the Beckman Furs sign.

I fully expect that you will now attack me. Instead, you could start a discussion on a subject that you find interesting. That would be most welcome.

Thanks Doug



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Thanks ER for completely misunderstanding my comment. I never made any ''snide'' remark about circus art, which I like very much.

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BTW.....ER, would you drive a DALE?

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"I do miss the Bastille-castle-like old Hall of Records (almost as much as the Richfield tower). But the odd angle because of the old street layout got in the way of the civic mall plans, and maybe it was not up to seismic codes, so it had to go I suppose. Still, I miss it. At least we still have the Daily Planet, I mean City Hall."

I wish they would design and build buildings like that these days. Every year I am increasingly disgusted by what passes as architecture.
In fact it seems more like a race to the bottom. Uglier and uglier buildings, constructed out of the cheapest material, with the minimalist of design and effort.
And somehow people, not only accept these "buildings", they actually seem to like the laziness and lack of taste for some reason.

/rant.
Hello Sakhal. Let me tell you something. Its very dangerous to say you dislike something in LA on this site. You will soon be attacked by several people and from all sides. Good luck and welcome to NLA.
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LA's greatest car is soon to be on TV.

I prefer the Muntz Jet as, "LA's greatest car." (Ask Cheryl Crane)
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The opinion of one.
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I prefer the Muntz Jet as, "LA's greatest car." (Ask Cheryl Crane)
"Madman" Muntz was quite a character. "Crazy" Eddie back east stole his act in the 1980s, but I think got in trouble for something. The idea being they were so crazy they would sell you stuff for nothing. In his ads Madman Muntz wore a Napolean hat. I think Muntz sold early T.V. sets as well as cars. Maybe somebody can post some old Muntz ads/stories. His stores did well for a while, but then didn't. I think the Muntz stores were gone by the late '50s. "Crazy" Eddie stores went bye bye in the late 1980s or early '90s.

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Pacific Electric streetcar hugs the coast of Huntington Beach, running parallel to the Pacific Coast Highway (1946)

[Photo by Phillips C. Kauke]

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Vine and Selma, looking north at dusk (1950s)

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As has been pointed out in the comments, the building on the right was the Hollywood Brown Derby, the second of four locations, which opened at 1628 Vine St. In 1929 (three years after the original Wilshire location opened). The Beverly Hills location opened in 1931, at the corner of Wilshire and Rodeo, and the Hillhurst location opened in 1940. Out of all of these, only the Wilshire location was built for the restaurant. The other three locations all took over existing structures.

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During the summer of 1977, Rochester House was given one last hurrah when it was featured in Disney's "Return from Witch Mountain," the sequel to their extremely popular 1975 hit "Escape to Witch Mountain."


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Vine and Selma, looking north at dusk (1950s)
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As has been pointed out in the comments, the building on the right was the Hollywood Brown Derby, the second of four locations, which opened at 1628 Vine St. In 1929 (three years after the original Wilshire location opened). The Beverly Hills location opened in 1931, at the corner of Wilshire and Rodeo, and the Hillhurst location opened in 1940. Out of all of these, only the Wilshire location was built for the restaurant. The other three locations all took over existing structures.
There was a later Brown Derby at Hollywood and Vine, in the former Melody Lane building and one in Las Vegas that Mrs. Cobb opened herself.
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UCLA/Adelbert Bartlett papers

"Tree house of Amos Aspey, civil war veteran, near National Military Home, Pacific branch, Sawtelle, Cal. House contains, parlor, bedroom, kitchen, roof garden, and is piped with water and gas. Stairs lead up to house. House is built in a eucalyptus tree".

Photo is undated, given the children's attire I would guess '20's-'30's.





Even considering the laissez-faire tenor of the times, I would imagine Building & Safety had some concerns over this kind of structure.


Using the original image (https://dl.library.ucla.edu/islandor...bartlett%3A149) I zoomed in on the house to the right of the tree house property, it shows that house number as 1106....you can see a "2" as the last digit of the subject house (the rest of the number is obscured by the tree) but I would guess that house number is 1102....I assumed that these properties were across San Vicente Blvd. from the V.A. grounds, and the only street with an 1100 block opposite the V.A. is Barry Ave., which runs basically n/s until it intersects Kiowa Ave., just off the corner of San Vicente....so I pulled up 1102-06 Barry Ave..... 



I think the house may have been at this corner.


In my view the sidewalk somewhat matches, with an uphill grade coming off the corner.... 





I took the Googlemobile a little to the left and looked through the trees lining the V.A. grounds, and this building appears...





Possibly the same roofline?....




The 1900 census found the Aspey's in the gold mining boom town of Victor, CO., his occupation was shown as "brick maker"....both the 1920 and 1930 census show Mr. Aspey residing at the Veteran's home at the V.A., so I don't think he lived at the home with the tree house.....possibly he befriended whoever lived there, and walked over from the V.A. to build the thing, maybe spent his days in the tree.

More detail on Pvt. Aspey....from findagrave.com...

"Age 20 years enlisted October 1, 1861 mustered in November 20, 1861 as Private with Co. B. 65th Ohio Infantry mustered out March 23, 1862 at Nashville Tennessee. Re-enlisted October 7, 1864 as Private with Co. F. 71st Ohio Infantry mustered out on October 16, 1865.

Event Type: he was age 21 years married Martha L. Stacey (bn. abt. 1847) on October 25, 1866 at Stark County Ohio....https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/3686252/amos-aspey"


He died on 6/3/1930, age 89, and is buried at the L.A. National Cemetery...




His wife died 6 months later.....



The death certificate was signed by her son-in-law O.B. Wright, as per the '30 census she was living in the Wright home at 1444 Appleton St. when she took her life.  


The couple may have been out here as early as 1886/87, as an "Amos Aspey" purchased a lot in Coronado....it's also possible they bought the lot from back east, sight unseen....of course it could be a different Amos Aspey.... 







Mr. and Mrs. Aspey were predeceased by 4 children....they lost two sons, age 15 and 10, in Colorado, in the year 1898...the 10 year old, Harry, was killed when a team of horses bolted...

CRIPPLE CREEK MORNING TIMES
August 16, 1898

A Little Boy Killed. - A frightful accident occurred at 10:30 yesterday morning on Straub mountain, resulting in the death of the 10 year old son of Amos Aspey. Mr. Aspey, accompanied by the boy, Harry, went after a load of wood. While coming down the steep grade near Dutch town, Mr. Aspey got off the wagon to clear some obstructions out of the road. The team took fright and ran away. The boy was thrown from the wagon bed and the hind wheel passed over his head, crushing his skull in a horrible manner.
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"There was a later Brown Derby at Hollywood and Vine, in the former Melody Lane building..."

What?! Citation needed!
That's my old neighborhood, and somehow I've never heard that.
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Old Posted Mar 9, 2021, 11:58 AM
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Thank you C.B. Doug for the kind welcome/warning.
As I've had to accept years ago, if I can dish it, I should be able to take it.
At the very least, I promise that I wont cry in front of anyone.
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Vine and Selma, looking north at dusk (1950s)

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"As has been pointed out in the comments, the building on the right was the Hollywood Brown Derby, the second of four locations, which opened at 1628 Vine St. In 1929 (three years after the original Wilshire location opened). The Beverly Hills location opened in 1931, at the corner of Wilshire and Rodeo, and the Hillhurst location opened in 1940. Out of all of these, only the Wilshire location was built for the restaurant. The other three locations all took over existing structures."

Photo from @lapubliclibrary

https://www.instagram.com/forgottenmadness_la/



Speaking of what I consider to be lost treasures of L.A. This photo reminded me of one of my many heartbreaks. What I knew as Molly's at the corner of Selma and Vine. SMH. And seeing what they replaced it with. *sigh*
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Old Posted Mar 9, 2021, 12:55 PM
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Good morning everyone. I wanted to lead with an apology if this has already been posted, however, as has been discussed a few times, searching this thread is rather hit or miss.

Anyway, I was recently looking up something about L.A.'s history that turned into something of a multi-part rabbit hole, and ended up researching something else completely unrelated:


"Murf the Surf"
Jack Roland Murphy was born in Oceanside California in 1937 and moved to Miami in 1955. Apparently he made a name for himself as a surfer.

In 1964 he was involved in the largest jewel heist in U.S. history.
It seems that he was also involved in assaulting and robbing Eva Gabor.
in 1965 he was sentenced to only 3 years in prison.
Apparently he was out of prison by 1967.
There was a movie made about the heist in 1975.

That same year (1967) two secretaries for the firm Rutner, Jackson & Gray, (Terry Rae Frank and Annelle Marie Mohn) apparently stole about $500,000 (almost $4 million today) in stocks and fled to Hollywood Florida where they fell in with "Murf the Surf". It would seem that things did not go well, as they were both found at the bottom of Whiskey Creek with weights tied around their necks.
In 1968 Murphy was involved in the robbery of a socialite named Olive Wofford.

in 1969 Murphy pleaded not-guilty by reason of insanity for the murder of one of the secretaries (Terry Rae Frank), he was sentenced to life with hard labor. He was given an additional life sentence, plus 20 years for the robbery of Olive Wofford.

He only served 17 years.

Apparently he claimed to have found Jesus, and after he was released (after only serving 17 years ), he found a new, legal con, and became a minister. (because of course he did).
It seems he made quite a comfortable living bible-thumping until he died just a few months ago, this past September.

I stumbled on this story because the two secretaries who were murdered were working in the Fine Arts Building on 7th street downtown.
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UCLA/Adelbert Bartlett papers

"Tree house of Amos Aspey, civil war veteran, near National Military Home, Pacific branch, Sawtelle, Cal. House contains, parlor, bedroom, kitchen, roof garden, and is piped with water and gas. Stairs lead up to house. House is built in a eucalyptus tree".

Photo is undated, given the children's attire I would guess '20's-'30's.


Using the original image (https://dl.library.ucla.edu/islandor...bartlett%3A149) I zoomed in on the house to the right of the tree house property, it shows that house number as 1106....you can see a "2" as the last digit of the subject house (the rest of the number is obscured by the tree) but I would guess that house number is 1102....I assumed that these properties were across San Vicente Blvd. from the V.A. grounds, and the only street with an 1100 block opposite the V.A. is Barry Ave., which runs basically n/s until it intersects Kiowa Ave., just off the corner of San Vicente....so I pulled up 1102-06 Barry Ave..... 



I think the house may have been at this corner.

Amos wasn't in the best of shape in 1913.


Congressional Serial Set


He appears to have come round somewhat by 1919 and wants to get motoring - a miscreant named Morrison intervenes.


cdnc.ucr.edu - Los Angeles Herald, 22 February 1919


Perhaps Amos gave up on the driving lark and decided to build a tree house instead. It's up by 1923 at least.


cdnc.ucr.edu - San Bernardino Sun, 21 November 1923



This is the corner at Barry Ave./Kiowa Ave./San Vicente Blvd in 1927.


mil.library.ucsb.edu

No sign of the tree house tree or the houses in the picture at that stage.

Maybe cleared in the preceding four years.
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