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[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert

There's an old war horse from the Fidelity Federal interior:



IBM Model C Executive typewriter, all 50 lbs of it. Proportional type, so if you put an "i" where there should have been an "m" you were out of luck. Power carriage return capable of shaking the the room.

Sold from 1959 to 1964, when the "golf ball" Selectrics came out, so at least thirteen years old in 1977. You had to be one heckuva typist to use one of those things.

Cheers,

Earl

Those were pricey machines. They cost around $625 in 1959. That equates to $5100 in 2016.

[HenryHuntington]

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

Godzilla did a great post about the building that housed the Old Spaghetti Factory and its history.
And he posted some information about the new construction/destruction.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=27263

Starting with this:

[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;7529949]Thanks for the correction Blaster.


Here's the 'Old Spaghetti Factory' on the northeast corner of Sunset & Gordon St in 2011.


gsv


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I'd hoped to quote Martin Pal's post which in turn quoted Godzilla's, but I couldn't make that work. In any case, e_r's pic will do.

After the building was a car dealership and before it became the Old Spaghetti Factory, it was the studios and offices of KMPC radio (1944-1968), as per this history page:

http://http://www.710kmpc.com/history.htm

Sigalerts were invented there.

[Flyingwedge]

Originally Posted by odinthor

Fulfilling a promise, or threat, I made back in April, here's the pic that is on the back of the photo album page the front of which has that photo of the Main St. face of the Bullard Block. It's tightly glued to the album page, so I don't think it wise to pry it up to see if there's any data on the back of the photo.


odinthor collection

It's labeled "Residence of Fred Robinson Los A.", with no further indication of location. Any thoughts?

You will detect a person in the photo who, I suspect, is not Fred Robinson.

I took it as a promise, not a threat.


1894 LACD:


LAPL


1903 LACD:


fold3.com


Brook Street is now S. Toluca Street, as you'll see on the maps that follow.

Below, the blue house is 222 S. Toluca, at right is 242 S. Toluca, and the yellow house in the rear is 251 Emerald.
The roof lines of 242 Toluca and 251 Emerald plus the hill in the background are all consistent with the vintage photo
(though the windows of 251 Emerald are not). The blue house is too big to be the one-story home in the vintage photo,
but the little white building down at the end of the lot at left might be the same structure:


March 2015 GSV


Here's a map of the area as it is today. The buildings on the east side of S. Toluca, just north of Emerald, are those
shown in the GSV view above:


Googlemap


At far left on the 1906 Sanborn Map below, we see S. Toluca was then called Brook Street. One-story 222 Brook sits in
the same orientation to the houses next door as it does in the vintage photo. We also see Fred Robinson's grocery store
at 1266 W. 2nd Street, marked S for Store, next to the compass rose:


Proquest via LAPL

[HossC]

Originally Posted by HenryHuntington

I'd hoped to quote Martin Pal's post which in turn quoted Godzilla's, but I couldn't make that work. In any case, e_r's pic will do.

For some reason the forum doesn't support nested quotes (unlike the messaging system). The easiest way to include more than one post (or a post that quotes another) is to use the Multi-Quote button:

Instead of using the Quote button, click Multi-Quote on each post you want to quote and then press Post Reply.

[odinthor]

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

I took it as a promise, not a threat.


1894 LACD:


LAPL


1903 LACD:


fold3.com


Brook Street is now S. Toluca Street, as you'll see on the maps that follow.

Below, the blue house is 222 S. Toluca, at right is 242 S. Toluca, and the yellow house in the rear is 251 Emerald.
The roof lines of 242 Toluca and 251 Emerald plus the hill in the background are all consistent with the vintage photo
(though the windows of 251 Emerald are not). The blue house is too big to be the one-story home in the vintage photo,
but the little white building down at the end of the lot at left might be the same structure:


March 2015 GSV


Here's a map of the area as it is today. The buildings on the east side of S. Toluca, just north of Emerald, are those
shown in the GSV view above:


Googlemap


At far left on the 1906 Sanborn Map below, we see S. Toluca was then called Brook Street. One-story 222 Brook sits in
the same orientation to the houses next door as it does in the vintage photo. We also see Fred Robinson's grocery store
at 1266 W. 2nd Street, marked S for Store, next to the compass rose:


Proquest via LAPL

Splendidly well done--thanks, Flyingwedge!

[HossC]

I'm assuming that these Julius Shulman pictures were taken at the store which I posted exterior pictures of the other day. I don't know why it took Mr Shulman three years to go inside! This is "Job 1416: I. Magnin & Co. (Pasadena, Calif.), 1952".









All from Getty Research Institute

[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by odinthor

Splendidly well done--thanks, Flyingwedge!

Yes, your sleuthing abilities are non-pareil FW!

I'm totally amazed that this little 'enclave' of late 19th century homes have survived.


Bing






Here's the other side of the home(s) shown in odinthor's vintage photo.


Bing street_view



The odinthor collection

I've been trying to figure out what's going on with the striped awning on the smaller building.

It appears to be so long that it hangs down on both sides.


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[HossC]

I think the yellow house appears in the background of this 1931 photo originally posted by Godzilla in post #26739.

Originally Posted by Godzilla

Here's a close-up.


Detail of picture in USC Digital Library

I'm wondering if this detail shows Frederick C Robinson's grocery store. The 1930 CD lists P R Brown's tire company at 1266 W 2nd Street. Dr Walter L Curtis's Dog and Cat Hospital (sign above the car on the left) was at 1264 E 2nd Street.


Detail of picture in USC Digital Library

[ethereal_reality]

It looks like that shadowy figure is going to shoot the milk man.

[ethereal_reality]

......and speaking of tire shops.


Here's today's 'mystery' location from the series of 12 sepia photographs. [ca.1925]


Building #8


Photograph by Albert E. Cawood / found on eBay

It will be interesting too see if the building next door is still standing...it looks like it's advertising ROOMS.

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[HossC]

The Western Rubber Co appears at 809 S San Pedro Street in the 1927 CD. Here's the site on the 1921 Baist map.


USC Digital Library

Next door was the Indiana Apartments at 807½ S San Pedro Street. Unfortunately, E 8th Street was realigned sometime before 1948 (the first view at Historic Aerials). Here's the current layout.


Google Maps

The Indiana Apartments building has definitely gone, but I think some of the Western Rubber Co building survives.


GSV

[Flyingwedge]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Yes, your sleuthing abilities are non-pareil FW!

I'm totally amazed that this little 'enclave' of late 19th century homes have survived.


Bing



The odinthor collection

I've been trying to figure out what's going on with the striped awning on the smaller building.

It appears to be so long that it hangs down on both sides.
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Thanks, e_r. I was also struck by the little neighborhood's unlikelihood as well as the unnecessarily long awning
on the Robinson cottage. Maybe he ordered an awning for his store and received an extra one by mistake?

It would be wild if that little white building is the house with the awning from odinthor's photo. The pitch of the
roof and size of the building look about right, and I can imagine it being moved to the rear corner of the lot when
the blue house in front was built.


July 2014 GSV

And good eye, Hoss, to spot 251 Emerald in the 1931 photo!

[ProphetM]

Since this little collection of homes is right next to the Pacific Electric Toluca Yard and Belmont Tunnel entrance, there are quite a few photos that include them if anyone would like to search for Pacific Electric subway tunnel pics...

[HossC]

Like these ...

"PE’s Toluca Yard, 1941: The Calm Before The Storm of World War II"


www.pacificelectric.org/Ralph Melching Photo, Ralph Cantos Collection

"Pacific Electric PCC no. 5019 in service on the Glendale-Burbank Line rests at Toluca Yard on January 25, 1953."


www.pacificelectric.org/Alan Weeks Photo-Collection

[ethereal_reality]

And this...


http://www.uncanny.net/~wetzel/hbline.htm

Thanks for the suggestion ProphetM.

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[ethereal_reality]

Thanks for finding the location of the Western Rubber Co. Hoss. It's much appreciated.


Did you notice that they're still using the same framework for the rooftop billboard?








detail

And I'm glad you mentioned Indiana Apts. I've been trying to read the blurry word on the door......now I can make out the I A N A.

[odinthor]

Little bit of a change since 1915... The back of the postcard at left states: "Our address Los Angeles Cal. 1145 Dorris. Dear Cousin, Here is one of the pictures of the house the other is a little better & I got your mother in that[.] Was going to send that but Leslie put it in his pocket and took it so likely will send Kenneth one of the others when I get some more printed." Unsigned. Addressee is Miss Gladys Gilmore of Fairbury, Nebraska. Postmark is November 20, 1915. I think writer put the address at a spot preceding the message, and inverting the usual order of street and city, so that the post office wouldn't confuse it with the addressee's address.

[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by VC351W

First of all my apologies for the lack of photos. I'm on mobile and don't have a photo hosting account yet.

I was able to locate an old Power company real estate map that confirms your suspicion. The tower line in the "First Radio Church" picture no longer exits at that location. Hoss you're right the only towers are down on the Los Angeles river banks. The tower pictured carried a 115kv "Belt Line" from the station on Whittnall Hwy down to the station on N Main st. Some of the old style towers are still in use on this belt line, they're down by the Figueroa st, Broadway, and Spring st bridges. If you check any map app you can see how the tower line went from Fletcher Dr in almost a straight line to the electrical station on Whittnall highway and Cahuenga bl

I scanned the maps but because of ownership and NERC/FERC issues I can't post them. But as far as the information about the tower line I can share that. A very close approximation of the tower line is visible on historicarials.com in the topographic layer for 1955. It shows up as a dashed line.

As far as locating the right of way in which the church either sat in or abutted, the power company map shows an easement about 100' wide going from the s/w corner of Peru st and Modjeska st to the inside radius of Corralitas Dr loop where it meets Corralitas walk. The former "corner" tower was located right in the middle of the driveway of the current house on that lot. From there the line went in a straight line to the S/W corner of Waverly dr and Farwell Ave. the line crosses Fletcher drive on this segment.

Now for the fun part. India st was in fact renamed from... Silver lake ave. The power map shows that name struck through and India street replacing it. Silver lake Av extended from silver lake bl up to lake view av. So they did intersect at one time.

The map also shows a portion of property on the north side of fletcher dr deeded to the apostolic church which still stands as does a transmission tower. I believe this may be the site of the radio station due to the slopes of the hillsides and the mountains in the far background on the right margin of the photo. Maybe somebody can dig through other maps and see if I guessed correctly?

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"The tower line is visible on historicarials.com in the topographic layer for 1955. It shows up as a dashed line." -Vince

Here's the 1955 Topo map that shows the dashed power line.


historicarials.com




"The property on the north side of fletcher dr deeded to the apostolic church which still stands as does a transmission tower.
I believe this may be the site of the radio station due to the slopes of the hillsides and the mountains in the far background on the right margin of the photo." -Vince


So you're talking about this property, right?


gsv

But don't you think this might be too far north?
The newspaper article said the radio-church was near Silver Lake Avenue and Lake View Avenue.






"India st was in fact renamed from... Silver lake ave. The power map shows that name struck through and India street replacing it.
Silver lake Av extended from silver lake bl up to lake view av. So they did intersect at one time." -Vince

I was thinking this area (red dot below)


historicarials.com


by coincidence, the house there now has the same basic shape as the radio-church.


gsv

I looked for a building permit without success.
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And remember, we also discussed Silver Court.

GW posted an article about the missing 'radio-church', but his image is missing now.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=36198

[HossC]

Today's Julius Shulman post takes us just down the street from Fidelity Federal Savings & Loan which I posted pictures of a few days ago. This is "Job 2885: William Simpson Construction Co., Glendale Federal Savings (Glendale, Calif.), 1959". I've left out the fourth image because it showed nothing new.



I think the round building was a drive-through window.



A close-up view of the front to finish.



All from Getty Research Institute

The Glendale Federal Savings building survives at 401 N Brand Street, although all the pictures were taken from W Lexington Drive. It's now the Hollywood Production Center. The adjoining addition on the left dates back to at least the early-70s. Again, there's an article about the building at laconservancy.org. It says "The building’s many windows are shaded by distinctive blue enameled steel louvers which use solar power to pivot throughout the day."


GSV

[UphillDonkey]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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"The tower line is visible on historicarials.com in the topographic layer for 1955. It shows up as a dashed line." -Vince

Here's the 1955 Topo map that shows the dashed power line.


historicarials.com




"The property on the north side of fletcher dr deeded to the apostolic church which still stands as does a transmission tower.
I believe this may be the site of the radio station due to the slopes of the hillsides and the mountains in the far background on the right margin of the photo." -Vince


So you're talking about this property, right?


gsv

But don't you think this might be too far north?
The newspaper article said the radio-church was near Silver Lake Avenue and Lake View Avenue.






"India st was in fact renamed from... Silver lake ave. The power map shows that name struck through and India street replacing it.
Silver lake Av extended from silver lake bl up to lake view av. So they did intersect at one time." -Vince

I was thinking this area (red dot below)


historicarials.com


by coincidence, the house there now has the same basic shape as the radio-church.


gsv

I looked for a building permit without success.
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And remember, we also discussed Silver Court.

GW posted an article about the missing 'radio-church', but his image is missing now.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=36198

On this map you can see the intersection of Silver Lake Ave and Lake View Ave. Silver Lake Ave becomes a walk/stair street after it crosses the Red Car Line right of way. The gradient of Silver Lake Ave looks correct when compared to the old photograph of the radio church.