The US Census Bureau thread

[chris08876]

Originally Posted by Obadno

Probably due to less people moving in to replace the standard bleed of retirees and snowbirds.

This, along with crushing taxes and lack of housing. $2000/rent use to get one places in NYC, now... its the norm. $2k in rent will get you garbage. $3.5k/mo, now we are talking.

Most places go by the 40x rule, if you make 120k a year, your max rent will be $3000. A lot of places go by this, although there may be exceptions. Some places might even require 50x.

Much easier with roommates, or just having a lucrative job.

UNLESS one gets an affordable unit, which are fantastic, but its like winning the probability lottery to get those.

STICK TO NJ GOLD COAST. Much better than NYC, and you'll get a view and not get raped in costs.

A friend of mine bought about a year ago, a unit on the UWS. Some Boards require letters from friends and other paperwork. In a nutshell, this is a way to discriminate. They don't say it, but its exactly what they do, especially on the UWS.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by chris08876

This, along with crushing taxes and lack of housing. $2000/rent use to get one places in NYC, now... its the norm. $2k in rent will get you garbage. $3.5k/mo, now we are talking.

Most places go by the 40x rule, if you make 120k a year, your max rent will be $3000. A lot of places go by this, although there may be exceptions. Some places might even require 50x.

Much easier with roommates, or just having a lucrative job.

UNLESS one gets an affordable unit, which are fantastic, but its like winning the probability lottery to get those.

STICK TO NJ GOLD COAST. Much better than NYC, and you'll get a view and not get raped in costs.

A friend of mine bought about a year ago, a unit on the UWS. Some Boards require letters from friends and other paperwork. In a nutshell, this is a way to discriminate. They don't say it, but its exactly what they do, especially on the UWS.

And I have to think many companies in Manhattan (especially with COVID) Are beginning to realize they can have remote talent in cities across the country pay them less and have happier employees.

Why pay a kid 80 grand a year to be an analyst in New York when you can pay him 65k in Nashville with the added benefit of that employee being able to live much better than they can even for less salary.

There are simply hundreds of thousands of jobs in expensive cities that dont actually need to be in those cities.

[chris08876]

^^^^

I agree. But at the same time, I wish some of our cities would do more to make it more affordable for folks. NYC offers great, great opportunity. Also life as well, its a lifestyle to live here, something that folks pay for. Likewise with some other cities. But I do think... that they should do more to retain folks and to attract future residents, and retain them as well.

Our cities, from small to large, tend to have a similar trajectory. When cheap... they grow fast... than they get expensive... and the growth is almost permanently hindered. It would be nice if they could continue to grow without plateauing or where the flat line barely rises and it tends to level off at anemic growth relative to its population.

An example of this is in Jersey City. It will get to the point where its so pricey, that it will increasingly become inaccessible to most, without extreme compromise. Now for other cities, the migration of folks will benefit those places, but it sucks that it can't benefit the place from where these folks are leaving from.

Our cities do not produce enough housing, and will reach a point where its growth potential will be severely retarded or lagging compared to what if COULD BE if the right policies were put in place. Where zoning is nice, where the ability for the community aka NIMBY's curtailed, and where developers don't feel constricted by the balls to build.

Its all self-induced, and could be repaired, but the "X" city leadership needs to make the decisions to allow for these units to rise and the right policies to not make things pricey. Even something like how school districts are consolidated can make a HUGE difference in price. NJ sucks at consolidation, and so our property taxes are absurd. We also have an absurd amount of highly paid cops in areas that don't need as many cops. Just a mismanaged clusterfuck, that we all pay for. We ain't even gonna get into California ... that mess!

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by chris08876

A friend of mine bought about a year ago, a unit on the UWS. Some Boards require letters from friends and other paperwork. In a nutshell, this is a way to discriminate. They don't say it, but its exactly what they do, especially on the UWS.

A co-op? Friends of mine were turned down for a co-op and they suspect discrimination (white+hispanic couple). They also said something about how co-op boards can know that you've been turned down by another board, so it's not advisable to apply again right away.

New York is just a ridiculously competitive real estate market, at every level. You have to put more energy into finding an apartment to rent here than most people do into purchasing a house. And almost anywhere else in the world, if you making an offer of 7-figures for a home you'd get white glove treatment. But in New York your 7-figure mortgage is just not that special.

[chris08876]

Yeah it was a Co-Op.

Yeah the discrimination is very very real. They are all in bed with each other, they communicate with each other. Alls I'm saying is that there's a reason the UWS "looks" the way it is. And this is especially common in the UWS.

UES is a little more lax, unless your looking to live near the Park. My friend is Italian, so a few good letters (I wrote one for him, essentially just boasting about how he is conservative with his money, values responsibility, all the bs pretty much because that's what they want to hear)... and yeah, 3 letters later, some financial and job documents later, about 3 week process for him, and he got the unit.

If they require letters, tell those who are writing it to lie their ass off. Boasting about past successes is desirable, even if it means stretching the truth.

[C.]

And some SSPers wonder why immigrants (undocumented or otherwise) are reluctant to fill out the census.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/21/polit...nts/index.html

Trump signs order targeting undocumented immigrants in the US census
By Kevin Liptak, Maegan Vazquez and Ariane de Vogue, CNN

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump signed a presidential memorandum on Tuesday that would exclude undocumented immigrants from being counted in congressional districts when district lines are redrawn next year.

The memorandum marks the Trump administration's latest effort to change the way US populations are counted and advance the President's immigration agenda, and like previous efforts is certain to end up in court.
"I have accordingly determined that respect for the law and protection of the integrity of the democratic process warrant the exclusion of illegal aliens from the apportionment base, to the extent feasible and to the maximum extent of the President's discretion under the law," the executive order states.

This thread is to discuss this administrative policy on the US Census. All political discussions must go to this shithole of a thread: https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=241186

[RST500]

For the Bay Area Asians are rapidly growing with Latinos declining but this is prior to the remote work exodus:

"Comparing the newly released 2019 Census Household Numbers vs 2017 Census on:
Race of households in the 5-county Bay Area.

White-only Households Downwards 19,200
Black-only Households Upwards 1,300
Latino-only Households Downwards5,700
Asian-only Households Upwards 29,600
Multiracial Households: Downwards 4,800"

[chris08876]

Supreme Court Allows Trump Administration To End Census Early

The Trump administration can end counting for the 2020 census after the Supreme Court approved a request for now to suspend a lower court order that extended the count's schedule.

The high court's ruling, following an emergency request the Justice Department made last week, is the latest turn in a roller coaster of a legal fight over the timeline for the count.

Last-minute changes by the Census Bureau and its skirting of an earlier court order for the count have left local communities and the bureau's workers across the U.S. unsure of how much longer they can take part in a national head count already upended by the coronavirus pandemic.

Lower courts previously ordered the administration to keep counting through Oct. 31, reverting to an extended schedule that Trump officials had first proposed in April in response to delays caused by the pandemic and then abruptly decided to abandon in July.

More time, judges have ruled, would give the bureau a better chance of getting an accurate and complete count of the country's residents, which is used to determine how political representation and federal funding are distributed among the states over the next decade.

Justice Department attorneys say the Census Bureau is under pressure to meet a legal deadline of Dec. 31 for reporting to the president the first set of census results — the latest state population counts that determine each state's share of the 435 seats in the House of Representatives. The numbers, in turn, also determine how many Electoral College votes each state has to determine who becomes the U.S. president in 2024 and 2028.

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https://www.npr.org/2020/10/13/92142...d-census-early

[kcexpress69]

Originally Posted by chris08876

Supreme Court Allows Trump Administration To End Census Early


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https://www.npr.org/2020/10/13/92142...d-census-early

This sucks!! I don't think I'll be able to trust any numbers that are released next spring.

[mhays]

Agreed. The system is being gamed. Hopefully there will be adjustments later based on sampling.

[Via Chicago]

Originally Posted by mhays

Agreed. The system is being gamed. Hopefully there will be adjustments later based on sampling.

the issue is its already going to be heavily sample based.

essentially wilbur ross ordered the census bureau to get to 100% by the end of september

so the main thing that 99.9% figure by state tells you is that they've more or less complied with wilbur ross's order by whatever means necessary to meet that deadline, even if that means they've employed far less reliable proxy methods than usual to infer how many people there are in each location

[RST500]

Below are the largest immigrant increases by metro area from 2010-2019 for all immigrant groups that had more than 10k increases.

New York City -

11 Countries:
Dominican Republic: 98,083
China: 84,400
India: 68,175
Bangladesh: 50,562
Guatemala: 31,524
Colombia: 29,204
Brazil: 21,128
Egypt: 18,829
Uzbekistan: 12,860
Ghana: 12,537
Nigeria: 12,383

Houston -

11 Countries:
Honduras: 45,040
Nigeria: 34,763
Venezuela: 29,420
India: 29,395
El Salvador: 28,733
Cuba: 17,938
Philippines: 17,743
China: 16,304
Vietnam: 15,740
Colombia: 12,145
Iraq: 11,347

Dallas/Fort Worth -

8 Countries:
India: 73,631
Mexico: 32,699
China: 27,996
El Salvador: 22,650
Nigeria: 19,137
Nepal: 17,041
Venezuela: 11,921
Philippines: 11,316

Miami/Fort Lauderdale -

7 Countries:
Cuba: 117,496
Venezuela: 79,870
Haiti: 34,519
Colombia: 24,690
Brazil: 20,047
Guatemala: 13,015
Jamaica: 10,762

Los Angeles -

6 Countries:
China: 78,724
Philippines: 27,324
India: 25,615
Guatemala: 13,890
Nigeria: 11,702
Iran: 10,888

Washington DC -

6 Countries:
El Salvador: 32,473
India: 31,094
Guatemala: 26,779
China: 20,349
Afghanistan: 16,338
Ethiopia: 15,152

Boston -
5 Countries:
China: 38,779
Dominican Republic: 22,350
India: 20,799
Brazil: 10,478
Haiti: 10,001

Atlanta -

4 Countries:
India: 43,042
Vietnam: 15,558
Venezuela: 14,181
Jamaica: 11,945

Orlando -
4 Countries:
Venezuela: 37,701
Dominican Republic: 17,991
Haiti: 17,704
Colombia: 16,101


San Francisco -
3 Countries:
India: 70,580
China: 34,080
Afghanistan: 12,187

San Jose -
3 Countries:
China: 50,250
India: 45,224
Vietnam: 10,663

Philadelphia -
3 Countries
India: 23,336
China: 16,252
Dominican Republic: 14,829

Tampa -
3 Countries
Cuba: 32,069
India: 10,960
Venezuela: 10,159

Detroit -
3 Countries
India: 20,958
Bangladesh: 13,596
Iraq: 13,405


Sacramento -
3 Countries
India: 14,389
China: 13,823
Vietnam: 10,008

Seattle/Tacoma -
2 Countries
China: 49,739
India: 46,231


Chicago -
2 Countries
India: 21,757
China: 20,029

Riverside -
2 Countries
China: 20,751
Philippines: 12,295


Phoenix -
2 Countries
India: 27,895
Philippines: 10,631


San Diego -
2 Countries
China: 10,471
India: 10,332

Las Vegas -
2 Countries
Philippines: 21,707
Cuba: 10,623

Minneapolis/St. Paul -
2 Countries
Somalia: 12,409
India: 12,205

Charlotte -
2 Countries
India: 19,551
Honduras: 10,535

Austin -
1 Country
India: 22,013

Baltimore -
1 Country
Nigeria: 13,305

Providence -
1 Country
Dominican Republic: 12,443

Columbus -
1 Country
India: 15,034

Denver - 0 Countries Portland - 0 Countries San Antonio - 0 Countries

[iheartthed]

^The Chicago numbers seem low.

[edale]

LA and the Inland Empire didn't get more than 10,000 people from Mexico in the past decade? Not sure I buy that.

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by edale

LA and the Inland Empire didn't get more than 10,000 people from Mexico in the past decade? Not sure I buy that.

Aren’t there more Mexicans leaving the US than getting in? If that’s the case, Los Angeles area should be the most affected.

[edale]

Originally Posted by yuriandrade

Aren’t there more Mexicans leaving the US than getting in? If that’s the case, Los Angeles area should be the most affected.

Yet Dallas saw an increase of more than 30,000 Mexicans? I don't doubt than Mexican immigration has slowed, but it seems highly unlikely that Los Angeles city didn't add at least 10,000 Mexicans in the past decade, let alone the entire metro area, IE, or San Diego for that matter.

I just read a horrific story this morning about a car/truck crash that happened east of San Diego, leaving 13 people dead. The truck was packed full of 25 Mexicans making the dangerous illegal trek into the US. Really heartbreaking. But a story like that underscores the limitations of just looking at the official immigration numbers, at least in cities close to the border.

[memph]

I'm sure metro LA got more than 10,000 immigrants from Mexico, but that doesn't mean it got 10,000 net. Others could have gone back to Mexico, and others still could've moved on to different cities, whether that's Portland, Denver, or Dallas.

Also not everyone crossing the Mexico-US border is Mexican, plenty of them could be making longer treks across Central America.

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by memph

I'm sure metro LA got more than 10,000 immigrants from Mexico, but that doesn't mean it got 10,000 net. Others could have gone back to Mexico, and others still could've moved on to different cities, whether that's Portland, Denver, or Dallas.

Also not everyone crossing the Mexico-US border is Mexican, plenty of them could be making longer treks across Central America.

Ah, that sounds more realistic. I was also blown away by LA not registering 10k Mexican immigration.

[Via Chicago]

immigration from Mexico has fallen off a cliff in general. its not the early 00s anymore

[edale]

Originally Posted by Via Chicago

immigration from Mexico has fallen off a cliff in general. its not the early 00s anymore

Except for Dallas, apparently.