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On the Right Track: The 10 Most Improved Cities In the U.S. for Transit, Walking, and

On the Right Track: The 10 Most Improved Cities In the U.S. for Transit, Walking, and Biking

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1. Seattle, WA
2. Oakland, CA
3. San Francisco, CA
4. Chicago, IL
5. Fremont, CA
6. Jersey City, NJ
7. Portland, OR
8. Boston, MA
9. Salt Lake City, UT
10. New York, NY

Dishonorable mentions: Amarillo (TX), Fort Worth (TX), Los Angeles (CA), Fresno (CA), Bakersfield (CA), Modesto (CA), Stockton (CA), Oxnard (CA), Moreno Valley (CA), Corpus Christi (TX), Oklahoma City (OK), Lubbock (TX); and ones that improved but they're still very bad (he theorized that's due immigration): Oklahoma City (OK), Lubbock (TX), Indianapolis (IN).

Very informative video. It's worth watching. I'm subscribed to his channel, lot's of interesting stuff.
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It's shocking has slow LA has been to improve the pedestrian experience, let alone bike lines. Virtually none of our major boulevards have dedicated bike lanes...yet this could be one of America's best biking cities, it's a shame. So I am not surprised we're on the dishonorable mention list.
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I don't know what's happening with the video, apparently is not working, so here the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mh1UctlSOg
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It's shocking has slow LA has been to improve the pedestrian experience, let alone bike lines. Virtually none of our major boulevards have dedicated bike lanes...yet this could be one of America's best biking cities, it's a shame. So I am not surprised we're on the dishonorable mention list.
We have horrible leadership with stupid council members that are either corrupt, stupid or more worried about peoples genders and disarming police. We need to get rid of pretty much everyone on the city council other than Traci Park at this point.
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If NYC and JC occupy 2 of the top 10 spots then that means almost everywhere else in America has made zero progress. NYC was already one of the most walkable places in the world in 2010. It wouldn't take much for almost any other city to catapult past in terms of relative improvement.
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If NYC and JC occupy 2 of the top 10 spots then that means almost everywhere else in America has made zero progress. NYC was already one of the most walkable places in the world in 2010. It wouldn't take much for almost any other city to catapult past in terms of relative improvement.
He noted on the beginning of the video the US as a whole made no move. Car share fell by 1 pt, but it was working from home that increased from 4% to 5%. Transit/bike/walk kept their share. That’s quite depressing as there is so much room for the US to reduce its car dependency, specially in a decade people were heading back to the cities.
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We have horrible leadership with stupid council members that are either corrupt, stupid or more worried about peoples genders and disarming police. We need to get rid of pretty much everyone on the city council other than Traci Park at this point.
Politicians are loathe to do anything about improving the pedestrian or cycling experience because they get so much blowback from motorists when they do so. When LA took out a lane in each direction on Vista del Mar south of Marina del Rey to add bike lanes and curb speeders, there was an unbelievable howl of protest. That howl included complaints from the City of Manhattan Beach which ironically turns Vista del Mar into a charming, narrow, two-lane shopping paseo when the street crosses its city limits. The City of LA was forced to reverse the Vista del Mar traffic calming and the street is back to being a full-fledged race track.

San Diego is even worse. The city added bike lanes to a modest stretch of 30th Street in North Park. 30th Street is one of two major shopping streets in the North Park area and it has a lot of pedestrian-scale charm. The protected bike lanes meant taking out street parking since the street is only 1 lane in each direction. This small step also provoked an avalanche of protest, from shop keepers and from people who didn't want to lose free street parking. (There is an underutilized paid parking structure available.) The common complaint was that since the bike lanes weren't jammed with cyclists, they weren't worth the loss of parking places. The reasons most bike lanes aren't used in San Diego is because they usually don't go very far and they're usually unprotected. A half-mile stretch of bike lane, in and of itself, isn't going to convince a lot of people to hop on their bikes.

San Diego has signed up for a massive cut in green house gas emissions and it is expecting that much of it will be achieved by people commuting by bicycle instead of car. But bike lanes, especially protected lanes, are way down on the list of city priorities, and the lack of new cycling infrastructure is the result.

As far as Traci Park is concerned, I wonder how her positioning as a no-nonsense champion of neighborhood interests will affect her attitude to bike lanes, traffic calming and other measures that many motorists view as obstacles to getting where they want to go as fast as possible. It would be nice if a pragmatic moderate also had the sense to realize that the city can't continue to prioritize the private auto at the expense of pedestrians, cyclists and transit users.
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I like citynerd's videos. Hes a snob but owns up to it.
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I like citynerd's videos. Hes a snob but owns up to it.
Yeah. . . they're entertaining. . . hard to deal with that whiny(?) voice sometimes, but he does shed some light on urban issues that leave me with some decent takeaways to think about. . .

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I like citynerd's videos. Hes a snob but owns up to it.
I've seen his videos too here and there. They're good, but they can also be kind of tedious to watch. I'll often find myself skipping through it if he does long lists. I find his voice kind of annyoing too, he sounds like a drag queen trying to butch it up.

A few days ago I saw his most recent video, about Las Vegas. Apparently he lives there now, which surprised me, being the urbanist that he says he is.

There's another guy that does urbanist/walkability-type videos that I like, I can't think of his Youtube handle right now, but he's a Canadian who now lives in the Netherlands.
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Politicians are loathe to do anything about improving the pedestrian or cycling experience because they get so much blowback from motorists when they do so. (...)
That's horrible. People have this idea on how liberal California is and they're getting mad over bike lanes? There is anything more mainstream than bike lanes these days.

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I like citynerd's videos. Hes a snob but owns up to it.
Yeah, he's snob.

But he's good. He avoids clichés, he knows the subject and above all, makes very consistent lists, working very well with concepts such as city proper, metro areas. Moreover, he not only bring rankings and numbers, but what's behind them.

I guess he could venture more outside the US. It's almost like SSP. Very US-focused with some Canadian and Mexican stuff here and there.
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Hmm I must know different kinds of people because CityNerd's voice sounds pretty normal to me. Maybe I hang out with too many physicists...
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He speaks like a lot of Pacific Northwest professionals who believe they really get what our society needs, and want others to get it too. Kind of a normalized version of South Park's "Smug" episode. (I say that as a PNW professional who believes perhaps incorrectly that I really get it.) But, while I don't agree with all of his methods or conclusions, he makes a lot of good arguments and showing google views brings it all alive.

Not Just Bikes is good too. I agree that he's too easy on the Netherlands and too hard on Canada.

I like Michael Beach's videos too. Looks like he doesn't do them anymore. https://www.youtube.com/c/MichaelBeachNYC/videos
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From my experience living in California, people are almost feral when it comes to defending their car infrastructure/parking lots so i can see why local gov is hesitant to propose bike/pedestrian friendly alternatives.
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Complete streets advocates always go crazy for Netherlands. Yes, it's more bikeable than almost anywhere else (I think Denmark would be a serious competitor). Otherwise, it doesn't have particularly impressive urban form or transit infrastructure, at least for Western European standards. But for some reason, Amsterdam is this idealized Nirvana.

Growing up not far from the Dutch border, the stereotype was that Dutch local trains were crap compared to German and French local trains. I have no idea if this is/was true, and/or whether bikes kind of made up the difference. I don't think they're Italy-level bad but don't think they have the type of service you expect in Germany/France either.
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On the Right Track: The 10 Most Improved Cities In the U.S. for Transit, Walking, and Biking

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1. Seattle, WA
2. Oakland, CA
3. San Francisco, CA
4. Chicago, IL
5. Fremont, CA
6. Jersey City, NJ
7. Portland, OR
8. Boston, MA
9. Salt Lake City, UT
10. New York, NY


Very informative video. It's worth watching. I'm subscribed to his channel, lot's of interesting stuff.
Already walkable cities become more walkable?

What kind of idiot list is this? Most improved is absolutely going to be sunbelt cities
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Already walkable cities become more walkable?

What kind of idiot list is this? Most improved is absolutely going to be sunbelt cities
Watch the video. It's very straightforward: cities that had a bigger increase on their share of transit/bike/walk on the 2005-2009 average compared to the 2015-2019 average. Data from US Census Bureau's American Community Survey.

And of course he explains why they increased: densification, new bike lanes, new transit lines, etc.


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Complete streets advocates always go crazy for Netherlands. Yes, it's more bikeable than almost anywhere else (I think Denmark would be a serious competitor). Otherwise, it doesn't have particularly impressive urban form or transit infrastructure, at least for Western European standards. But for some reason, Amsterdam is this idealized Nirvana.

Growing up not far from the Dutch border, the stereotype was that Dutch local trains were crap compared to German and French local trains. I have no idea if this is/was true, and/or whether bikes kind of made up the difference. I don't think they're Italy-level bad but don't think they have the type of service you expect in Germany/France either.
I visited Amsterdam for the first time now in December and I wasn't really impressed regarding urban form or transit. As you said, it's a very ordinary Western European city. London, for instance, is much more pleasant for pedestrians and obviously, they have a much more comprehensive transit.

And as I was waiting my Thalys, I saw lots of their regional trains coming and going and they're quite ugly/old.
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I think the fact that Sunbeltian cities don't make this list, despite having the most room for improvement, kinda shows you where those areas are as far as car dependency and orientation.

It doesn't seem like this list is talking about which cities are adding the most bike lanes, or performing the most road diets, or adding the most rail lines. It's more so which cities are decreasing their usage of car as a means of transportation to work.

Say you have a city with population 100, and 5 people take transit/bike/walk to work. If the next year, 10 people take transit/bike/walk to work, that's an improvement of 100%. Now if you have a city with population 100, and 30 people take transit/bike/walk to work. If the next year, 35 people take transit/bike/walk to work, that's only a 17% improvement.
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Already walkable cities become more walkable?

What kind of idiot list is this? Most improved is absolutely going to be sunbelt cities
this isn't about how walkable a city is, but about commuter mode share.
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