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Low income housing in your cities urban neighborhoods.

Show off some affordable and low income housing in your cities downtowns and urban neighborhoods. What do your urban neighborhoods and downtowns have to offer for affordable housing?
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2022, 11:22 PM
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Seattle has a variety of building programs and funding sources...buying old hotels for new homeless housing, redeveloping old public housing campuses, funding non-profits who build new low-income housing (including a $40m/year levy)... There's way too much to cover here.

Yesler Terrace is the closest campus redevelopment to the CBD, on First Hill overlooking the south end of Downtown. It used to have 561 family-sized units on about 30 acres, and it'll soon have more like 3,500 with maybe 1,100 affordable (mostly family-sized). The affordable units and most of the market-rate are in the six-story range. https://www.seattlehousing.org/about...yesler-terrace

Several non-profit housing developers/owners live on levy dollars, grants, tax abatements, etc. Their projects tend to be centered on the Downtown fringes or other transit-heavy areas. Some of the big ones include LIHI, Bellwether, Plymouth....
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2022, 11:57 PM
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That's the quintessential Brazilian public housing: built en masse since the 1970's at the outskirts of the cities of every size.


São Paulo is another scale, very massive and dense. Its slums tend to be very small and scattered all over the urban fabric, there are some initiatives to remove them, but replacing with better architecture projects:


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It replaced this tiny slum that was clustered right in the middle of São Paulo's new financial district:

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In both SF and Oakland, a lot of the affordable housing exists because of rent control, and is scattered all over the place, in all kinds of different buildings.

But a lot of the poorest residents live in SROs, which are mostly located in the Tenderloin, Chinatown, Mission District, SOMA, and downtown Oakland. Here are a bunch of examples from the Tenderloin, which has the most by far:


Untitled by sftrajan, on Flickr


Hotel Kinney by sftrajan, on Flickr


Hotel Hurley by sftrajan, on Flickr


Untitled by sftrajan, on Flickr


Admiral Hotel, 608 O'Farrell Street (ca 1916) by sftrajan, on Flickr


202010196 San Francisco Tenderloin by taigatrommelchen, on Flickr

Here's a nice aerial view of it: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7808.../data=!3m1!1e3

That area is packed with SROs.

In addition to that, a lot of poor people also live in public housing. Some examples:

Potrero Hill, SF:


Public Housing - Potrero Terrace and Potrero Annex - San Francisco by Tony Wasserman, on Flickr


morning // fog by Ir Rational, on Flickr


Connecticut Street by sftrajan, on Flickr

Sunnydale, SF:


SF SunnydaleCars 61.jpg by Dan Ryan, on Flickr


https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/ar...photo-15467144

Chinatown, SF:


The Ping Yuen Mural on Stockton Street in Chinatown. San Francisco by Abariltur, on Flickr


0213 Ping Yuen by mliu92, on Flickr

The Fillmore district, SF:


San Francisco, foggy afternoon by sftrajan, on Flickr


Westside, built 1940/1943 by sftrajan, on Flickr


https://www.nibbi.com/projects/rad-r...b-pitts-plaza/

West Oakland:


Acorn Projects by ucat, on Flickr

East Oakland:


Lockwood Gardens by BayRaised, on Flickr


Mission district, SF:


Valencia Gardens by Cate, on Flickr


Untitled by Amanda Martinez, on Flickr

Hunters Point, SF:


https://www.cnu.org/what-we-do/build...s/hunters-view


Hunter's View Housing, San Francisco by Mark Hogan, on Flickr


https://cahill-sf.com/portfolio/hunters-view/


https://cahill-sf.com/portfolio/hunt...int-east-west/


Newer housing in foreground Southeastern San Francisco 180316-110542 C4 by Charlie & Melody Wambeke, on Flickr

Those new buildings above are part of the replacement for the old Double Rock projects, the most recent of SF's demolished and now rebuilt public housing:


Project housing in foreground Southeastern San Francisco 180316-110533 C4 by Charlie & Melody Wambeke, on Flickr

In both pics you can also see various other project buildings lining the top of the hill in the distance.

There are also some affordable co-ops, like this 382 unit one in the Fillmore district, which was built with a loan from HUD in the 1960s:


San Francisco- Fillmore District by Joseph Wingenfeld, on Flickr

Here's an aerial view of it and some of the neighboring public housing:

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7774.../data=!3m1!1e3

Just like much of the region's public housing, there are plans to rebuild it, along with thousands of new market rate units.

And of course the poorest people are homeless. The biggest homeless camps have basically become shanty towns though, so even there you might have a building of sorts to live in:











Those are all in Oakland. Homeless people in SF are plentiful, but the camps are mostly on the small side and short-lived, as the city usually clears them out before they can grow too much and get established enough for people to start building plywood shacks and stuff.

There are some good quality, city-provided shacks in a few locations too:


https://eastbayexpress.com/oaklands-...e-numbers-2-1/

Now how about some good quality apartment buildings? Like, a lot of them, everywhere. Imagine if America built enough housing for everyone, wouldn't that be nice. There have been plenty of buildings going up in the Bay Area, including affordable ones, but as always it's not enough.

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This could easily be Kinshasa.
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That's the quintessential Brazilian public housing: built en masse since the 1970's at the outskirts of the cities of every size.]
That looks like City of God.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2022, 1:12 PM
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This could easily be Kinshasa.
Those recent formed slums look indeed very shocking.

Established ones tend to look way different. That's a random street in São Paulo 2nd largest slum, Heliópolis:


https://www.google.com/maps/@-23.612...7i16384!8i8192

Proper construction materials are used and their footprint is a bit like medieval cities.

Rio de Janeiro has even bigger and more visible slums (Rocinha, Vidigal, Cantagalo, etc.) and many became tourist attractions for foreigners. They also follow this pattern.

As rural exodus, big regional migrations ended long ago and population now growth became low, new slums don't appear anymore and possible occupations are dealt quickly by the municipalities.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2022, 1:24 PM
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That looks like City of God.
Probably as according to Wikipedia it was established in the late 1960's. It decayed badly and today looks like a slum despite technically not be one: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ci...!4d-43.3697197

Most, however, had much better future. This one it's in my hometown Londrina: https://www.google.com/maps/@-23.252...7i13312!8i6656 . This whole big chunk of Londrina was built in the late 1970's and looked exactly like the pic above. It's still one of the lowest income areas of the city, but improved over the years.

Rio de Janeiro is an extreme case, for so many reasons, since the removal of the capital to losing its status of country's primate city, coupled with horrible governance and crime.

BTW, the pic I posted it has like three years ago. It's a very enduring built form for public housing in Brazil, used in every single state over so many decades. Those projects are becoming less frequent and usually smaller only because cities are growing slowly. Here the street view of a relatively new one (built in the last decade) in upstate São Paulo: https://www.google.com/maps/@-21.722...7i16384!8i8192
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Those recent formed slums look indeed very shocking.

Established ones tend to look way different. That's a random street in São Paulo 2nd largest slum, Heliópolis:


https://www.google.com/maps/@-23.612...7i16384!8i8192

Proper construction materials are used and their footprint is a bit like medieval cities.

Rio de Janeiro has even bigger and more visible slums (Rocinha, Vidigal, Cantagalo, etc.) and many became tourist attractions for foreigners. They also follow this pattern.

As rural exodus, big regional migrations ended long ago and population now growth became low, new slums don't appear anymore and possible occupations are dealt quickly by the municipalities.
Sao Paulo has some crazy juxtapositions with rich and poor living adjacent to each other. I remember exploring this area last time I was there:
https://goo.gl/maps/d3nWuenLqaS1DydE7
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Sao Paulo has some crazy juxtapositions with rich and poor living adjacent to each other. I remember exploring this area last time I was there:
https://goo.gl/maps/d3nWuenLqaS1DydE7
That's from the largest one, Paraisópolis, that grew right in the middle of the wealthy, city-garden style, Morumbi district.

Morumbi, however, has became an undesirable address for many reasons over the past 20 years. Very car dependent, a high crime rate (precisely because the presence of Paraisópolis), very strict zoning (no upzoning there). It still has plenty of rich people, but prices, relatively speaking, have plunged and are now below of more central, ordinary middle class neighbourhoods.

Even República district (Downtown), https://www.google.com/maps/@-23.544...7i16384!8i8192, with all the homeless problem, just surpassed Morumbi in sq meter prices.

In terms of such juxtapositions, I'd say Rio de Janeiro is even more marked. You are right in the middle of touristic and upmarket districts of Zona Sul and you can see slums covering the hills and the mountains around. In São Paulo it's basically Morumbi/Paraisópolis, but as it's far from Downtown, in a middle of an autocentric nightmare, no ones see it.
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London has one surviving slum street in Waterloo - Roupell St, now a fave of film scenes and worth $1.7m each. You can however still see how it was a place of utter misery in the 19th Century, with each tiny dwelling housing multiple families:







By the late 19th-early 20th, progressive Peabody Estates came about to house the poor in more sanitary conditions (the charity is still going strong)- marked by their candy stripes and yellow brick (but also markedly similar to the prison architecture of the day).






Things took a nose-dove architecturally in the first half of the 20th C - the ugly side of art deco and interwar:



though they can be reaccommodated:




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...and then came the brutalist years - designed for open space and all mod cons, but ending in scudding, litter-kicking estates, now mostly, thankfully demolished. Over 500 highrise estates were torn down by the 1990s, and replaced with lowrise density (to follow...).





Several attempts were made to save Robin Hood Gardens, for its striking resemblance to the Berlin Wall - quel dommage!





Trellick Tower -so ugly it's iconic -is a listed building, and now occupied by Notting Hill millionaires. Designed by Erno Goldfinger - he was made into a Bond villain by his next-door neighbour, Ian Fleming




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In the 90s they finally twigged that if you actually put more thought and money into buildings -even for the poor - you save $$$ in crime and social problems. Hence a mass rash of yellow cottages and house-like apartment blocks to blend in with the rest - they mix apartments and terrace housing in the same style:



https://www.lettingaproperty.com/sit...k_entrance.jpg


The complaint being they became too common - the yellow brick and red stripes soon trademarked them as council estates.

Once just as notorious for crime and social problems, many are now taken over by the middle classes, giving them what they always dreamed of achieving - identikit suburbia in the inner city:




Fast forward to nowadays and housing for the poor is no different from the rest. They are often housed in the same buildings and developments (inc luxury ones). The unsaid rule was if you didn't devote 30-50% of the development to affordable housing you wouldn't get planning permission. However Boris Johnson reduced this to 10% (and zero for luxe developments) in his tenure as Conservative mayor, and Sadiq Khan (Labour and a centralist) is now a halfway higher. New Peabodys for social housing:












There's one major issue with social housing these days - not enough of it. Decades of Right To Buy schemes ensured an ever shrinking pool, while prices have climbed unstoppably. Most of the poor stay in their old accommodation still, where they grew up in (see above), while interminably on waiting lists.

In the last decade many ended up in illegal 'beds in sheds', from illegal immigrants to students and stock brokers - built in the back gardens of rogue landlords, and seeing a return of shanty towns to the city. A massive crackdown by local councils (demolishing them) has now saved countless generations:


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literally watching a huge 5 story homeless shelter for 500 women and kids go up by us.

di blaz shoved it in against all community wishes i guess to punish staten, even tho its on the dem north shore.

former city council prez christine quinn is running it via win organization.

it has retail on the ground, but that will likely be government service offices.

no renders afaik.

and yeah, it's too big.


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Trellick Tower -so ugly it's iconic -is a listed building, and now occupied by Notting Hill millionaires. Designed by Erno Goldfinger - he was made into a Bond villain by neighbour, Ian Fleming

Cool! What's in the standalone left part? Stairs/elevators?
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Vancouver is getting a lot of these in recent years, they are modular and temporary housing, dotted around the city, mainly in old parking lots or empty lots.





Most of the low income/social housing is hard to tell apart from market housing, often a lack of balconies is a sign that it is most likely social housing.

this was made for homeless people, It predates the modular housing and is more permanent.


this will be a mix of detox housing, transitional housing and low income housing.


social housing


162 unit affordable & supportive housing


low income housing - they are currently studying and planning to replace this with a redevelopment which will use the land better and offer more housing units, the buildings will be demolished and replaced by towers and other forms
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That's the quintessential Brazilian public housing: built en masse since the 1970's at the outskirts of the cities of every size.

Interesting, this looks almost exactly like Reconstruction and Development (RDP) housing that's common in newer sections of South African townships and occasionally the suburban fringe. It's not exactly social housing, but heavily subsidized. Newer developments often include low-income market rate components and in addition to single family homes feature 4-6 storey walkups. They've had varying degrees of success, to say the least.

Towship version: https://goo.gl/maps/T2XuQKXDNrHyP8N56

Integrated suburban version: https://goo.gl/maps/W8hxuXWVDsbey1DK8
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