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[Flyingwedge]

Originally Posted by odinthor

Thanks, FW! I really appreciate it.

The house-mover in question appears to be William A. Tibbetts. "Tibbetts" is a name which can vary infinitely in records, I've found; but in the 1884-1885 CD I find him as "Tibbetts W.A.", at 33 Temple; and, in 1888, "Tibbetts William A." residing on the east side of North Chestnut "nr Pasadena Av". By 1902, he's "Tibbits Wm A" at 458 N Avenue 121 (if it's the same person) . . . and . . . I didn't check any further . . .

Ah-ha . . . Mr. Tibbetts didn't just move houses, he also moved trees, like the palm he moved from San Pedro Street to in front of SP's Arcade Depot:



July 27, 1888, Los Angeles Times @ Newspapers.com



Here's a close-up of a photo of the palm tree being dug up to be moved. I think this has to be Mr. Tibbetts . . .



BEHR-0054 by Martin Behrman @ CA State Library


. . . because the same guy is definitely on the far right:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

180462 by C. C. Pierce at Huntington Digital Library

Oh and I recently found out where another of those San Pedro Street palms ended up. This is 1342 West Adams, right GW?:



("Bishop home on Adams St. / Old Palm moved from 3rd + San Pedro.")

uclalsc_94_171_01_014 /Hazard-Dyson Los Angeles Photograph Album, Page 14 @ UCLA Digital Library


P.S. I found a better copy of the image at another part of the UCLA site:



UCLA Digital Library

[Beaudry]

Greetings again Noirishers!

I'm hoping one of you guys n gals can help me out with something.

Somewhere, out there, I like to think there's a halfway-decent shot of the Hafen House. That is, the 1895 rooming house at 342/44 South Hill that was a parking lot by 1949. This one:





...and, I totally seem to remember one of those great glass plate "panoramas of the city shot from Bunker Hill" that looked down below with it on Hill right there but it's eluding me now.

Or better yet maybe there's even a nice street shot.

Any help appreciated!

[Flyingwedge]

Originally Posted by Beaudry

Greetings again Noirishers!

I'm hoping one of you guys n gals can help me out with something.

Somewhere, out there, I like to think there's a halfway-decent shot of the Hafen House. That is, the 1895 rooming house at 342/44 South Hill that was a parking lot by 1949. This one:




Any help appreciated!

Happy to help!

This is a close-up from what the Huntington Digital Library calls "4th and Hill, Los Angeles. 1902." The front of the Hafen is a bit obscured, but it was the best
image I could locate. We get to see the older building to the Hafen's immediate north as well:



167596 at HDL


In addition . . .

This HDL photo (167595) is called "3rd and Hill, Los Angeles. 1902." You don't see the Hafen as clearly, but it's another view, anyhow.

This HDL photo (259693) is dated September 1, 1927. If the Hafen House was still standing, shouldn't we see it or its shadow on the building in the lower right
corner (with the "Baxter-Northup Co <-- Musical Instruments" sign)?

[Flyingwedge]

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir

In 1938 it's appears to be inside the park's bounds in the north west portion, tallying with odinthor's 1934 clipping.



mil.library.ucsb.edu

It appears that the water tank was built between 1903 and 1910.

Here's the 1903 Sanborn, which shows a round, 20-foot-tall water tank (circled) behind the Carr house:



ProQuest via LA Public Library


I believe that 20-foot-tall water tank is the round thing with the pointy roof (partially blocked by what looks like a chimney) in the rear of this photo of
the Carr house. Above the lower left corner of the photo, in the distance, might be the turret of the house we see on the lower right of the 1903 map above:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

March 1904 Carpentry and Building @ HathiTrust -- http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?i...ew=1up;seq=124

The 1910 Sanborn Map shows the four-story "tank house" we saw in the other posts in almost the same spot as the smaller water tank:



ProQuest via LA Public Library


The 1951 Sanborn Map shows the old water tank as "City Parks Department Storage." The map identifies the uncompleted-looking street just below the
tank as Holly Drive:



ProQuest via LA Public Library

[ethereal_reality]

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Fantastic! This answers so many of my questions. Thanks Flyingwedge.


Here's a cabinet card titled: Carmelita - South Side - Mulberry Tree.


huntingtonarchive

Landscaped grounds and a residence that is partially visible through the branches of a tree at Carmelita. A wooden bench and chair sit under the tree.


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[ethereal_reality]

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Mislabeled photograph found on eBay. (no longer listed)


Everett's Grocery


eBay



Here's what is written on the reverse.



"Nadeau Street - Long Beach California"






This image is a bit clearer.



You can see that it's one building built of cinder blocks with brick added to the right side.




The building is on Nadeau Street but it's in Los Angeles. . . not Long Beach.


GSV

I'm pretty sure this is the building.



The seller agrees. (actually the seller led me to this building) They get the credit.


eBay



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[odinthor]

In re: One of Mrs. Jeanne C. Carr's houses:



[editing out a chunk]


LA Times, 2/5/1896

Dr. Reid's account:


History of Pasadena, by Hiram Reid, 1895, p. 52

[Beaudry]

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

Happy to help!

This is a close-up from what the Huntington Digital Library calls "4th and Hill, Los Angeles. 1902." The front of the Hafen is a bit obscured, but it was the best
image I could locate. We get to see the older building to the Hafen's immediate north as well:



167596 at HDL


In addition . . .

This HDL photo (167595) is called "3rd and Hill, Los Angeles. 1902." You don't see the Hafen as clearly, but it's another view, anyhow.

This HDL photo (259693) is dated September 1, 1927. If the Hafen House was still standing, shouldn't we see it or its shadow on the building in the lower right
corner (with the "Baxter-Northup Co <-- Musical Instruments" sign)?

Thanks so much! I swear, sometimes I think images at photo archives like to temporarily disappear just to mess with us, because I couldn't find that one when I looked, despite my vivid memory of it. And, I totally agree, in the 1927 shot the Hafen should be evident. That's why I was limited in saying it was a parking lot "by" 1949, because unhelpfully, there's no demo permit for it. It's there in the 1921 Baist map, and there's a permit for an auto parks shed in 1949. Now, with the 1927 shot, it stands to reason it fell between 1921-27.

Reason I'm looking for the HH, btw, is I'm doing some work on early cafeterias and by all accounts the first cafeteria west of the Mississippi was—known quite simply as The Cafeteria, since it was the only one—opened in the semi-basement of the Hafen House in the spring of 1905.

[odinthor]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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Mystery location.

A handsome sailor poses by a car in Los Angeles.


eBay

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in the far distance there is. .um. .something....



I showed this to a friend & they thought perhaps we're looking north from San Pedro.



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e_r, the "something" in the distance might be the Wilmington Oil Refinery (or the like). Here's its present look:


https://www.valero.com/about/locatio...ngton-refinery

[ethereal_reality]

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Interesting theory,odinthor. I'll have to get out my trusty ruler and see where it leads.





Here is a remarkable photograph recently posted on eBay.



It shows an Asian-American posed by an open air barber shop & cigar store in downtown Los Angeles.


eBay

The photographer (in white lettering, above) was Coules' Palace Studio..351 S. Broadway..Los Angeles






The reverse is quite mysterious.



I hope that's shaving cream stains.


In the scribbles, I believe I see. .308 N. Main St. . .and at upper right, Los Angeles, California. .and. .United States. .cigar store . .barber shop.



And finally, here's a closer look at the photograph.


eBay


The photograph has a dream-like effect - like a half-remembered memory.


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[GaylordWilshire]

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

Oh and I recently found out where another of those San Pedro Street palms ended up. This is 1342 West Adams, right GW?:



("Bishop home on Adams St. / Old Palm moved from 3rd + San Pedro.")

uclalsc_94_171_01_014 /Hazard-Dyson Los Angeles Photograph Album, Page 14 @ UCLA Digital Library

FW: The palm is gone, but that is indeed 1342 West Adams, built by William T. Bishop in 1898. Notice the power pole--in a bit of Gay '90s noir, Mrs. Bishop witnessed the electrocution of a lineman on the day power was first being connected to the house.

We've seen posts over the years about Bishop's candy factory, including #48246.

A full history of the house is here. 1342 West Adams still stands 123 years later:


GSV

[odinthor]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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Mystery location.

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in the far distance there is. .um. .something....



I showed this to a friend & they thought perhaps we're looking north from San Pedro.



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After a little study, methinks in terms of today we may be about here . . . which unfortunately has been much transformed:


Google Maps

But here's a larger chunk of area including the above, from the Renie 1955 map book:


Renie 1955

Unfortunately there's a page break at the critical place (always the case!), and it's just shy of perfectly coming together. Where we see in the older map the word "Shields," just below the page break, is perhaps the vicinity of the site in the photo with the sailor.

The closest similar to the above view currently is the north end of N. Gaffey Place. Note what's in the distance:


gsv

And compare the area marked "Union Oil Co." in the older map (under the words "Angeles City" in the upper half of the older map).

[ethereal_reality]

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Last night I was looking all over for a map like this one. Thanks for posting it.

Originally Posted by odinthor

Renie 1955

This is a shot-in-the-dark but does anyone know if there was a Kaiser-Frazer dealership in San Pedro.



I think it might say "Pedro" on the license frame at lower right but I can't see if it says "San" on the other side of the frame.


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[Flyingwedge]

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

FW: The palm is gone, but that is indeed 1342 West Adams, built by William T. Bishop in 1898. Notice the power pole--in a bit of Gay '90s noir, Mrs. Bishop witnessed the electrocution of a lineman on the day power was first being connected to the house.

A full history of the house is here. 1342 West Adams still stands 123 years later:

Thanks for the confirmation, GW. BTW, I found a better copy of the image, now appended to my original post above.

[odinthor]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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Last night I was looking all over for a map like this one. Thanks for posting it.




This is a shot-in-the-dark but does anyone know if there was a Kaiser-Frazer dealership in San Pedro.



I think it might say "Pedro" on the license frame at lower right but I can't see if it says "San" on the other side of the frame.


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e_r, your wish is my command:


LA Times, 1/16/1951.



gsv, 2008.

[ScottyB]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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Interesting theory,odinthor. I'll have to get out my trusty ruler and see where it leads.





Here is a remarkable photograph recently posted on eBay.



It shows an Asian-American posed by an open air barber shop & cigar store in downtown Los Angeles.


eBay

The photographer (in white lettering, above) was Coules' Palace Studio..351 S. Broadway..Los Angeles






The reverse is quite mysterious.



I hope that's shaving cream stains.


In the scribbles, I believe I see. .308 N. Main St. . .and at upper right, Los Angeles, California. .and. .United States. .cigar store . .barber shop.

Lower right "Bath" (odd), "Laundry Agency"
on the left it looks like maybe "Japan" and, vertically, "Jack" something. (Maguire?). Best I can do.
Also- in the upper left of the photo it says "BARVA 15c" and "PELO 25c" which I believe is Spanish for haircut/coloring. Bright purple probably not an option.
Really cool photo!

[odinthor]

Hmmmm. 308 N. Main. Hmmmmmmmm...


1887-1888 CD

Young Mr. Hargitt started out so promisingly:


LA Herald, 1/28/1874.

But


LA Times, 9/29/1893.

...which might explain why the Asian-American man wanted a photo in front of the place where he perhaps anticipated protection against deportation.

But our Chris Hargitt, tsk tsk tsk . . .


LA Herald, 2/16/1894.

And he had other infractions which I'll spare you.

[ethereal_reality]

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Interesting info. odinthor.

Originally Posted by ScottyB

Lower right "Bath" (odd), "Laundry Agency"
on the left it looks like maybe "Japan" and, vertically, "Jack" something. (Maguire?). Best I can do.
Also- in the upper left of the photo it says "BARVA 15c" and "PELO 25c" which I believe is Spanish for haircut/coloring. Bright purple probably not an option.
Really cool photo!

Thanks for deciphering the scribbles, ScottyB. There's much more information on the back than I realized!


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[ethereal_reality]

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Here is a RPPC of 1032 South Oxford Avenue, Los Angeles Calif.... (1914)



eBay




And the reverse.




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[ethereal_reality]

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Rare car and mystery location.

1967 Kodachrome Slide, Los Angeles CA


eBay

Does anyone recognized the fancy schmancy car?

The seller names the car but I'm curious to see if anyone here recognizes it. (I had never heard of it before)