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Old Posted Oct 27, 2020, 10:27 PM
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It is unlikely that JDL will ask for TIF money at North Union, especially since the project does not seem to include any new public infrastructure and barely provides the required 10% of affordable units.

It's possible the city might use TIF money to advance the Brown Line stop at Division, but that's been talked about for years and is a separate project. If that happens, I think everyone involved will be very careful to keep that project separate from North Union so that activists do not conflate the two.
There is no TIF proposed for this development. Everyone can take a deep breath.
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2020, 4:50 PM
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2020, 8:17 PM
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I am underwhelmed by this development. Is anyone feeling the same way?
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2020, 8:31 PM
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I am underwhelmed by this development. Is anyone feeling the same way?
It's from the old school of mega developments, like Central Station. The developer does a mix of highrises and lowrise/townhouse phases so they can react to changes in the market (owner vs rental, etc).

Surprising that there is no office or hotel planned. I would expect to see that next to a downtown L stop. I guess JDL doesn't wanna compete with the Fulton Market scene, but River North has seen plenty of office absorption as well.
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I am underwhelmed by this development. Is anyone feeling the same way?
I mean, it's away from the core, and doesn't have the greatest access to transportation, so it's not like it can be some absurd/over the top mega development. There are major site constraints, plus an issue in what they can even build there, considering the neighborhood. This is what I'd expected from the beginning, if anything, perhaps bigger.
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2020, 11:04 PM
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This is what I'd expected from the beginning, if anything, perhaps bigger.
I too assumed it would be smaller, and it would look like Old Town Park v2.0.
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2020, 4:51 PM
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I think that we'll hopefully find that our abundant water, lack of natural disasters, and inexpensive cost of living may attract more people in the future. I know many on the West Coast who are considering a move somewhere else in the country because it is unlivable out there.
I can't agree with this enough. If our climate continues worsening, then you will see a LOT of people look at the Midwest (and Chicago in particular) as a very safe bet for long-term comfort and, let's face it, survival.

As for this development, um ... I like it. Let's build it.
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2020, 10:41 PM
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Getting way off topic for a project thread, but the demographers who have looked at this have generally concluded that climate migrations will mostly speed up existing trends and benefit inland Sunbelt and Mountain cities like Austin, Dallas, Nashville, Atlanta, Denver, etc. Miami being underwater doesn't solve Chicago's problems (or Detroit's, Buffalo's, etc).
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2020, 10:54 PM
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They put the tallest building so that it will be the terminus of Franklin St, and have amazing views down Franklin for residents, and we get a beautiful (hopefully) board of trade type situation
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It's funny that news of this proposal is breaking now. In the past few months as the final Old Town Park tower has topped out, and I've seen some photos of it in the skyline, I thought to myself how that project has served to extend the core of skyscrapers further north and west. Now, this has granted precedent to future tall proposals in the area ...aaand cue taller proposal for the area!
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2020, 9:58 PM
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I don't see where the NIMBYs would come from for this one. Next to no one around . The two large towers on Orleans are rentals. The churches on Orleans see a pay day in their futures. Even if you're not sold on the architecture, it's a much needed facelift.
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Here's the draft presentation for the Thursday: https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/...aft_111020.pdf
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Here's the draft presentation for the Thursday: https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/...aft_111020.pdf
That's a lot of phases! It makes sense but I highly wish it was reversed and we began with the two tall towers. But build it all!
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2020, 11:32 PM
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Here's the draft presentation for the Thursday: https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/...aft_111020.pdf
Honestly... I could make some nit-picky complaints... but honestly it's well thought out, low parking, has affordable units, decent massing, lots of open space.

Get 'er done.
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Here's the draft presentation for the Thursday: https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/...aft_111020.pdf
Love seeing lots of basement parking. I feel like JDL does way more underground parking than other developers in this town.
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I like it a lot. Some of the strong points:
  • Retail and active uses along Wells street, which will help link the areas to the north and south. The phasing means that these improvements will happen first (eliminating surface parking!)
  • Parking is largely tucked away (underground or next to the L tracks)
  • Adaptive re-use of some of the more attractive existing structures. 871 N Franklin, 919 N Franklin, and 221 W Walton are all brick with some nice detailing and are being preserved.
  • Healthy amounts of open space
  • Conceptual designs for the buildings are architecturally interesting, and I like the way the materials shift to match the surroundings

Overall, a very thoughtful proposal. I'm excited to see how this turns out.
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2020, 4:42 PM
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looks like a great connecting piece on the north side, reminds me of Seattle/Amazon's neighborhood
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2020, 8:46 PM
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I feel like JDL does way more underground parking than other developers in this town.
One Chicago obviously comes to mind. Any others?
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2020, 10:20 PM
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One Chicago obviously comes to mind. Any others?
9 W. Walton
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