Worldwide Demographics

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by chris08876

Makes me wonder at what point, Africa will slow down with its growth, people wise.

I'd imagine once some places reach say the level of Europe (some African countries in terms of GDP), the notion of having 5-6+ kids won't be as common). Not sure when that may be... but Africa will lead the rankings in the future the rate its going.

India I'd imagine will see a slow down eventually, stabilizing like China, and than a decline.

China's population slowdown was artificial. I doubt that will ever be applicable to India. India will slowdown as the economy matures.

[JManc]

Originally Posted by mhays

The US was very clearly named as being IN America. We're states that are united, which are located in America.

"America" was the collective name for the new world long before the US was established. It's still fine to use it that way.

Here's more about that.

We were named 200+ years ago when the New World (America) was still a novelty. The geopolitical world and our understanding of geography has matured in the subsequent decades and the Western Hemisphere is seen by most of the world as two individual continents.


When Neil Diamond sang that song, it was about us. Not the rest of the Americas.

[badrunner]

Originally Posted by Elkhanan1

Who in the Anglo-sphere, to which you belong, conceives of North America and South America as a single geographic entity called "America?" No one, that's who. Why? Because for normal, modern, everyday English-speakers--be it from the UK, US, NZ, Australia, Canada, Ireland or any other Anglophone country I may be leaving out--it doesn't exist.

The US, aka America, and Mexico are part of the continent of North America and Brazil is part the continent of South America. The United States might be *of* America but it's not *in* "America" because there's no continent by that name in standard, contemporary English without "North" or "South" preceding it.

So, are you making a political statement or are you just being annoyingly pretentious?

Hipster contrarians.

"wElL aCtUaLly..."

[MolsonExport]

Are the British still Europeans even though they have left the EU? The Swiss were never in it yet they are European.

South Americans, in my own experiences, seem to take issue with how the United States has appropriated the term "American" for themselves only.

Oh well, the English in Canada stole Canadiens from the French settlers, who in turn stole the term from the Huron-Iroquois (Kanata).

[Elkhanan1]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Are the British still Europeans even though they have left the EU? The Swiss were never in it yet they are European.

South Americans, in my own experiences, seem to take issue with how the United States has appropriated the term "American" for themselves only.

Oh well, the English in Canada stole Canadiens from the French settlers, who in turn stole the term from the Huron-Iroquois (Kanata).

isaidso is an English-speaker from the UK living in Canada. isaidso isn't South American with a Spanish or Portuguese-language/cultural conception of geography. In this context, isaidso's use of "America" for all of the Americas/Western Hemisphere is purely about making a pretentious political statement.

[Elkhanan1]

Originally Posted by JManc

We were named 200+ years ago when the New World (America) was still a novelty. The geopolitical world and our understanding of geography has matured in the subsequent decades and the Western Hemisphere is seen by most of the world as two individual continents.


When Neil Diamond sang that song, it was about us. Not the rest of the Americas.

Exactly. And isaidso knows it.

So, to be clear, America didn't hit 1 billion in 2017. It hit about 330 million.

[Yuri]

Gosh, why do you care so much whether one says America, Americas, American continent, New World or Western Hemisphere?

For one thing, that’s by far the most uniform region in the world. It could be one country for that matter and being less diverse than South Africa. Occupied by humans crossing Bering Strait from Asia that were completely replaced by few Western Europeans arriving 500 years ago. The end.

I know some Americans are obsessed by myths on their own uniqueness, hardcore nationalism, and obviously, the good old racism and xenophobia, a fear to be mistaken for “savages living in Central/South America”.

Makes no mistake: God was in a lazy mood when made America. It’s uniformity is shocking.

[Acajack]

Unlike the British and the Aussies, English-speaking Canadians almost never refer to the USA as "America". It's always the US, the States or the USA. Though they do overwhelmingly refer to the people of the USA as "Americans".

Regarding Latin Americans, there is of course the term "Estadounidense" which is generally used for the people of the USA, and preferred over "Americano".

French also has the term "Étatsunien" but it is a bit more rarely used. "Américain" for the people of the USA is more common.

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Unlike the British and the Aussies, English-speaking Canadians almost never refer to the USA as "America". It's always the US, the States or the USA. Though they do overwhelmingly refer to the people of the USA as "Americans".

Regarding Latin Americans, there is of course the term "Estadounidense" which is generally used for the people of the USA, and preferred over "Americano".

French also has the term "Étatsunien" but it is a bit more rarely used. "Américain" for the people of the USA is more common.

In Brazil, "estadunidense" is never used. It's "americano" for things and people from the US. In the past, sometimes people said "norte-americano". However nobody calls the US "América". "América" is the continent, whose subdividisions is "América do Norte", "América Central" and "América do Sul".

[Elkhanan1]

The only people in Brazil who use "estadounidense" are those making a pretentious political statement, like a certain someone on this forum, and they're usually laughed out of the room.

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by yuriandrade

I'm not familiar with Mexico, but I'm impressed by Monterrey's performance. Their GDP per capita is twice as high as Mexican average and growing fast. They're posed to become a North American urban powerhouse.

New York ---------- 22,589,036 --- 22,255,628 ---- 1.50%

Mexico City ------- 21,804,515 --- 20,116,842 ---- 8.39%

Los Angeles ------- 18,711,436 --- 17,877,303 ---- 4.67%

Chicago ------------ 9,825,325 ---- 9,841,359 --- -0.16%

Washington-Balt. --- 9,814,928 ---- 9,050,440 ---- 8.45%

San Francisco ------ 9,665,887 ---- 8,924,185 ---- 8.31%

Boston ------------- 8,287,710 ---- 7,893,676 ---- 4.99%

Dallas ------------- 8,057,796 ---- 6,807,889 --- 18.36%

Toronto ------------ 7,680,502 ---- 6,972,807 --- 10.15%

Houston ------------ 7,253,193 ---- 6,100,028 --- 18.90%

Philadelphia ------- 7,209,620 ---- 7,068,006 ---- 2.00%

Miami -------------- 6,889,936 ---- 6,201,499 --- 11.10%

Atlanta ------------ 6,853,392 ---- 6,054,822 --- 13.19%

Detroit ------------ 5,341,994 ---- 5,319,107 ---- 0.43%

Monterrey ---------- 5,341,177 ---- 4,226,031 --- 26.39%

Guadalajara -------- 5,268,642 ---- 4,521,755 --- 16.52%

Phoenix ------------ 5,002,221 ---- 4,246,721 --- 17.79%

Seattle ------------ 4,903,675 ---- 4,274,757 --- 14.71%

Canada --- 2019-2012
US --- 2019-2010
Mexico --- 2020-2010

* Toronto including Hamilton and Oshawa, 14%/decade growth
** Note Mexico City has a massive nertwork of neighbouring metro areas (Puebla, Toluca, etc.); Central Valley population is around 35 million

Canadians just released their 2020 estimates: http://citypopulation.de/en/canada/, so let's redo the table. I also added Guelph to Toronto:

New York ---------- 22,589,036 --- 22,255,628 ---- 1.50%

Mexico City ------- 21,804,515 --- 20,116,842 ---- 8.39%

Los Angeles ------- 18,711,436 --- 17,877,303 ---- 4.67%

Chicago ------------ 9,825,325 ---- 9,841,359 --- -0.16%

Washington-Balt. --- 9,814,928 ---- 9,050,440 ---- 8.45%

San Francisco ------ 9,665,887 ---- 8,924,185 ---- 8.31%

Boston ------------- 8,287,710 ---- 7,893,676 ---- 4.99%

Dallas ------------- 8,057,796 ---- 6,807,889 --- 18.36%

Toronto ------------ 7,950,441 ---- 7,120,778 --- 11.65%

Houston ------------ 7,253,193 ---- 6,100,028 --- 18.90%

Philadelphia ------- 7,209,620 ---- 7,068,006 ---- 2.00%

Miami -------------- 6,889,936 ---- 6,201,499 --- 11.10%

Atlanta ------------ 6,853,392 ---- 6,054,822 --- 13.19%

Detroit ------------ 5,341,994 ---- 5,319,107 ---- 0.43%

Monterrey ---------- 5,341,177 ---- 4,226,031 --- 26.39%

Guadalajara -------- 5,268,642 ---- 4,521,755 --- 16.52%

Phoenix ------------ 5,002,221 ---- 4,246,721 --- 17.79%

Seattle ------------ 4,903,675 ---- 4,274,757 --- 14.71%

Canada --- 2020-2012
US --- 2019-2010
Mexico --- 2020-2010

* Toronto including Hamilton, Oshawa and Guelph
** Note Mexico City has a massive nertwork of neighbouring metro areas (Puebla, Toluca, etc.); Central Valley population is around 35 million

There's nothing new about Canada, but it's worth mentioning Montreal's rise, and specially the Prairies. Winnipeg has been stagnant since ever, and now it's growing at crazy rates. A lesson for sluggish US metro areas.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by yuriandrade

In Brazil, "estadunidense" is never used. It's "americano" for things and people from the US. In the past, sometimes people said "norte-americano". However nobody calls the US "América". "América" is the continent, whose subdividisions is "América do Norte", "América Central" and "América do Sul".

I wasn't actually thinking of you guys when I mentioned "Latin America". I believe you're sometimes in, sometimes out... depending on who one talks to.

Latin America seems to have a fairly variable definition. Some people even include Haiti.

Or us. (Because we speak a Latin language.)

[pj3000]

Originally Posted by JManc

When Neil Diamond sang that song, it was about us. Not the rest of the Americas.

Damn straight!

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

South Americans, in my own experiences, seem to take issue with how the United States has appropriated the term "American" for themselves only.

Yet, they use Americano...

Originally Posted by Acajack

Regarding Latin Americans, there is of course the term "Estadounidense" which is generally used for the people of the USA, and preferred over "Americano".

Throughout my residence and travels in Spanish and Portuguese-speaking South America, Central America, and Caribbean (from 1993 to present day), I have NEVER heard "Estadounidense" used to refer to Americans.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by pj3000

Throughout my residence and travels in Spanish and Portuguese-speaking South America, Central America, and Caribbean (from 1993 to present day), I have NEVER heard "Estadounidense" used to refer to Americans.

I'm pretty sure I've seen it written on forms before (for customs declarations, etc.), but never spoken.

[Acajack]

Do you guys speak Spanish?

I googled it and it gets about 150 million hits.

The French equivalent, "étatsunien" which as I said is definitely out there in French (to the point where I wouldn't call it a freak word) but not used as much as "américain", doesn't even generate 1 million hits.

Spanish has somewhat more Internet pages than French, but not nearly enough to account for such a huge difference.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Do you guys speak Spanish?

I googled it and it gets about 150 million hits.

The French equivalent, "étatsunien" which as I said is definitely out there in French (to the point where I wouldn't call it a freak word) but not used as much as "américain", doesn't even generate 1 million hits.

Spanish has somewhat more Internet pages than French, but not nearly enough to account for such a huge difference.

Yes. Estadounidense does mean "United Statesian" but it's formal. It is written on official forms. In conversation "Americano" is much more popular, but I can't say for certain that someone would never say estadounidense. It's like how Americans tend to use "British" to refer specifically to people from England, although British technically means anyone from England, Scotland, or Wales.

[pj3000]

I know the word. And yes, I speak Spanish and Portuguese fluently... far from native-level, but my wife is half Cuban, half Brazilian and I've lived in Brazil for a few years, so I'm comfortable with both languages.

I've certainly seen it written, but I said, I have NEVER heard "Estadounidense" used to refer to Americans.

I'm not saying it isn't used, I've just never heard it used in conversation.

[Acajack]

Thanks. I am sure you guys speak way better Spanish than I do.

[mhays]

It's possible to use "American" as vernacular even while "America" has a variety of interpretations and meanings.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by JManc

We were named 200+ years ago when the New World (America) was still a novelty. The geopolitical world and our understanding of geography has matured in the subsequent decades and the Western Hemisphere is seen by most of the world as two individual continents.


When Neil Diamond sang that song, it was about us. Not the rest of the Americas.

A little bit ironic, perhaps, is that some of the lyrics in old Neil's song are lifted directly from the old American patriotic song ("America: My country, 'Tis of Thee'), which plagiarized the tune of the UK National anthem.

"America (My Country, 'Tis of Thee)" is an American patriotic song, the lyrics of which were written by Samuel Francis Smith.[2] The melody used is the same as that of the national anthem of the United Kingdom, "God Save the Queen".

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