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Old Posted May 29, 2017, 9:21 AM
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I agree about the look of the tower. It's interesting to see how it all fits into the surrounding area as well with the shots from above.

I don't know if this was on purpose at all, but I noticed that the coffee shop inside the grocery store (0:40 second-mark) is Madcap, a local Grand Rapids shop (with two locations in GR). If they are one and the same and if this is supposed to signal their commitment, I think that this signals the level of detail/work that has already gone into the project. Securing the big names beforehand (Apple, UNIQLO, etc., if they're accurate) makes sense, but a small coffee shop inside a lower-level grocery store/food market? (On the other hand, this may mean absolutely nothing. But, I thought that it was an interesting touch...)
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Old Posted May 29, 2017, 8:03 PM
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This is an idea of what the skyline would look like with the Hudson Site Development and the Monroe Block Proposal. Not 100% accurate, but I tried.
http://imgur.com/a/scT38
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This is an idea of what the skyline would look like with the Hudson Site Development and the Monroe Block Proposal. Not 100% accurate, but I tried.
http://imgur.com/a/scT38
Thanks for that.
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Bedrock to begin Hudson's site work in December
By CHAD LIVENGOOD. Crain's Detroit. May 31, 2017.

Billionaire businessman Dan Gilbert's real estate development company is preparing to break ground in December on a 52-story skyscraper at the site of the former J.L. Hudson's department store in downtown Detroit, Bedrock LLC executives said Wednesday.

Bedrock CEO Jim Ketai and President Dan Mullen said the company is making plans to begin demolishing the existing four-story underground 1,100-space parking garage that was built after the old Hudson's building was imploded in 1998.

Demolition work will begin in December to clear the site along Woodward Avenue and begin drilling steel caissons 110-feet underground to build the footings to support a 734-foot tower, Mullen said.

Bedrock is moving forward with its development plans after the Michigan Legislature approved legislation earlier this month that would allow the company to capture up to half of the income tax generated by individuals working or living in the redeveloped site for up to 20 years.

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http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article...rk-in-december
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2017, 4:43 AM
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Well that answers it for certain. Partial demolition of the garage for a new structural grid. Though the other portion will support the midrise fine and be good for retail or more parking. It will be kind of shitty for anything else, although I guess you can always make wonky office floorplans work anywhere if the location, amenities and views are great
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Apartment rental rates at Hudson's site likely to top $3 per foot

By John Gallagher | Detroit Free Press

May 31, 2017

Dan Gilbert's planned Hudson's site project will not only create the tallest building in Detroit but the highest retail and apartment rental rates in the city.

Jim Ketai, CEO of Gilbert's Bedrock real estate arm, and Dan Mullen, Bedrock president, said today at the Mackinac Policy Conference that apartment rents at the planned tower at the Hudson's site could top $3 per square foot.

That would mark a dramatic increase from today's rental rates in and around downtown Detroit, where newer projects are drawing about $2 per square foot rents. Not so long ago, landlords were lucky to get $1.50 per square foot in the Detroit apartment rental market.
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Downtown Detroit scale model shows the Hudson's site future environment as Bedrock tries to attract retailers into Detroit.











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It looks fatter in the model lol, I guess it's not super accurate?

How is Monroe block taller than Cadillac tower? It didn't look like that in the renders.
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It looks fatter in the model lol, I guess it's not super accurate?

How is Monroe block taller than Cadillac tower? It didn't look like that in the renders.
All the renders are from street level and have slightly distorted perspective views. Not really good for sense of scale. Mostly there just to get a sense of what everything might look like.

Also, yea the Hudson's does look fatter than expected but I've kind of gotten use to it already. Makes it look like Detroit needs some more big high rises near Greektown so the Hudson's doesn't dwarf downtown so much.
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While I wouldn't put too much on the massings, it's also completely possible that the Monroe Block has been increased in height. We've literally heard nothing about the specifications of the buildings since they were first announced last year.
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While I wouldn't put too much on the massings, it's also completely possible that the Monroe Block has been increased in height. We've literally heard nothing about the specifications of the buildings since they were first announced last year.
It's possible but unlikely. The renderings presented were created in photoshop which means the scale is only approximate but never exact. Had it been a computer model, the height might have been more clearly discernible. The massing models are probably the most accurate representations of what is to be built.
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The massing models are probably the most accurate representations of what is to be built.
I'm confused. If this is true, then these are around the same height (if not taller) than Cadillac Tower judging from the massing models you posted.

As for the renderings, any from street level have visual distortions. But given that it was clearly looked shorter than Cadillac Tower, knowing that it's only around 20 floors, it seemed to strongly imply that it's going to be much taller in height to the neighboring One Campus Martius than Cadillac Tower. The floor heights you'd need to get close to Cadillac Tower with that number of stories would be unusual, and I don't see why Gilbert would want to spend on needlessly extra-tall floors. We're talking floors that would literally be over 20-feet on average. Even taking into account the high ground floor the floors would still be unusually tall.
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I'm confused. If this is true, then these are around the same height (if not taller) than Cadillac Tower judging from the massing models you posted.

As for the renderings, any from street level have visual distortions. But given that it was clearly looked shorter than Cadillac Tower, knowing that it's only around 20 floors, it seemed to strongly imply that it's going to be much taller in height to the neighboring One Campus Martius than Cadillac Tower. The floor heights you'd need to get close to Cadillac Tower with that number of stories would be unusual, and I don't see why Gilbert would want to spend on needlessly extra-tall floors. We're talking floors that would literally be over 20-feet on average. Even taking into account the high ground floor the floors would still be unusually tall.
20 floors is what the least amount of floors it could have possibly had. The renderings actually has closer to 24 floors not including the 2 for the ground floor lobby and the little fin at the top (so like, 27ish).

At the time, the building could have been shorter (or the overall project smaller) based on whether the tax incentive bills had passed through Michigan legislation or not. Technically, there's not yet any confirmation on the final number of floors or really any other details. The renders were mentioned as visualizations and not necessarily final because of the uncertainty at the time.
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Has the Monroe Block received the green light yet?
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2017, 4:40 AM
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It received the green lights months ago as it relates to financing.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2017, 7:24 PM
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^ Ah, I've been out of the loop for awhile lol but that's good to hear.
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Old Posted Aug 28, 2017, 8:06 AM
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This has been a long time coming for Detroit, looking forward to seeing it rise and take it's place as the new tallest.
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Looks like the design has been changed...

by Robin Runyan Sep 13, 2017, 4:04pm EDT

New Hudson’s site renderings revealed; observation deck now included

We’ll be able to see for miles



Bedrock has revealed updated information on the Hudson’s site, which—now that the Little Caesars Arena is completed—should be the largest new construction in the city. In the new plans, the tower now soars 800 feet high, and yes, we’ll get a much-needed observation deck downtown.
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The new design is becoming more angular and is meant to be very much a public space. Streetscapes on all sides will be activated, with 75,000 square feet of public space, a ground floor market, and 100,000 square feet of retail space. The structure will also include a performance space with a 1,500 person capacity. And yes, we’re noticing that greenery on the podium rooftop.

The building will be 1,000,000 square feet in total (not including underground parking for 700 cars), with 330 residential units and 240,000 square feet of office space.

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http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article...nd-gets-taller

September 13, 2017 4:11 p.m.
Updated 28 minutes ago
Hudson's site project swells by $125M — and gets taller
By KIRK PINHO


An updated vision for Dan Gilbert's planned redevelopment of the J.L. Hudson's site downtown calls for a taller, more expensive building than previously proposed, but Detroit's most influential real estate developer needs more time to complete it.

Jozef Guziewicz, vice president of construction for Gilbert's Bedrock LLC, said the residential tower is now planned to be above 800 feet, taller than the 734-foot tower unveiled in February as part of a $775 million redevelopment of the long-vacant site. The project is now expected to cost about $900 million.

The building's height grew because some of the residential units in the previous plan would have had views obstructed by Gilbert's One Campus Martius office tower, so now all of them will be above the 15-story building across the street.
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Old Posted Sep 13, 2017, 8:58 PM
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^ whoa!

if it ends up extending past the 811' official height of indy's salesforce tower, then this tower would become the 2nd tallest building in the midwest outside of chicago, 2nd only to cleveland's 948' ket tower.

however, the overall design seems a lot less daring than what was originally proposed.
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