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Old Posted Dec 5, 2022, 5:22 PM
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Yeah, I've never been there, but I heard bad things about Santiago on this regard. A sleepy, conservative metropolis. It's considered touristic to Brazilians, they find it neat, but the main attraction is the vineyards, Atacama and Patagonia. It appeals to the 50's-60's y/o crowd.
Yes, it's like California.

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You mentioned Rio, but Buenos Aires provides an even starker contrast as both speak the same language, are national capitals and have a similar weather. BA has an amazing and very busy nightlife, people are outgoing and liberal.
Yes, Buenos Aires is far more fun than Santiago, but I'd say Rio is more of an extreme. BsAs doesn't have the same weather as Santiago, though. BsAs has a climate similar to Washington, DC, or Atlanta, while Santiago's is very similar to something in California... San Jose, CA, is probably the closest big city analogy, but it's also similar enough to Los Angeles to make the comparison.
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Old Posted Dec 5, 2022, 8:14 PM
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As we've been kinda bashing Vienna on the past posts, I remembered something positive: I read a couple of times they're very good on housing affordability, which is a problem everywhere and could be much worse in a wealthing, fast-growing and dense city like Vienna.

Here a Bloomberg video about it, drawing a parallel with the situation in the US concerning social housing:

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Old Posted Dec 6, 2022, 8:03 PM
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Do you know if they have a big LGBT scene there or it's sleepý?
Vienna has a sleepy scene -but then so does anywhere these days, LGBTQ businesses have been closing en masse for over a decade now, as hook up apps rule the joint and less need for ghettoisation. The scene's less of a subculture, thanks to greater acceptance -where do the Gayz mainly go for a drink in London, Frisco, Sydney, Rio or Bangkok these days? The local bar as anyone else.

The Viennese are famed for their city's logo 'Everything's Shit', as muttered by everyone of a certain age. Despite the fact they live in the world's most liveable and lovable city, they're famed for being dour and grumpy, likely chain-smoking their way to a timely end.

The young are completely different of course. Also don't confuse Vienna for the much more conservative culture, govt and country it stands in -it's been a longstanding island of left wing ideals in a sea of traditionalists, long known as 'Red Vienna' since the collapse of the Hapsburg Empire back in 1905. For over a century (other than decade long hiatus during Nazi-ruled WWII) it's been a champion of socialism and progressiveness ruled by the Social Democrats, and why it's standard of living is so far ahead. However change is afoot as the traditional support is starting to slip.


Not many people know this, but Vienna is home to the world's largest concert/ festival -Donauinselfest - free, on the islands and attracting 3 million each year. Not your first choice of party cities, but there if you look. Although not famed within Europe, there are still 9,000 bars and restaurants to choose from


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Old Posted Dec 6, 2022, 8:25 PM
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Yes, societies are way more open now, but down here gay people prefer to attend environment where they’re at least 50%. Bars, nightclubs, parties, are way better. Gay stuff, with flags, became very rare, but obviously LGBT focused places are booming more than ever. And gayhoods help as they’re usually central located and have the best nightlife.

Researching about gay nightlife on other places, in several cities in Europe they have this very strong “door policy” and a certain hostility to women on gay bars. That’s not the case here in SP. “Door policy” is seen as extremely dated and racist, belonging to the 2000’s. And gay focused spaces are very women-friendly.
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2022, 8:36 PM
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That's so nice to hear. The best nightspots in town are always the ones with zero door policy, and anything goes. It's almost self-policing, where no one bothers each other, they just interact -the worst places with loads of attitude and a penchant for sex crime and fights, where the women come dressed as strippers and the men as slime, are the ones invariably watched by bouncers.


I once made the mistake of going to the Piccadilly Institute with 5 girls, a 'super'(shit)bar/ club over 3 floors that fancies itself as an overpriced, flash kinda place where the sexes divide and only the ladies dance. Spent the whole night fending off creeps and nearly getting into fights, while every one of my mates had their arses pinched or groped multiple times on the way to the loo. About as fun as your dogs funeral.



It's the kind of place that advertises itself by pictures of scantily clad bling-women, gurning and holding cocktails.
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Vienna is probably still my favourite city in Europe, along with Berlin. I've been to many of the big cities, and more than a few small ones.
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2022, 9:12 PM
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That's so nice to hear. The best nightspots in town are always the ones with zero door policy, and anything goes. It's almost self-policing, where no one bothers each other, they just interact -the worst places with loads of attitude and a penchant for sex crime and fights, where the women come dressed as strippers and the men as slime, are the ones invariably watched by bouncers.

I once made the mistake of going to the Piccadilly Institute with 5 girls, a 'super'(shit)bar/ club over 3 floors that fancies itself as an overpriced, flash kinda place where the sexes divide and only the ladies dance. Spent the whole night fending off creeps and nearly getting into fights, while every one of my mates had their arses pinched or groped multiple times on the way to the loo. About as fun as your dogs funeral.
Good Lord. I hear straight nightclubs down here are still like that. No wonder LGBT nightclubs thrive: straight women might be up to 50% in some of those parties. Even in more "spicy" nightclubs they're present, but in a much smaller number of course. There is no discomfort.

And given Brazilian society is very classist, it's a good thing "door policy" has faded away completely. And it never was big anyway.

Parties are meant for people to have fun and they accomplish that. In Brazil, where people are usually very outgoing, talkative and like to make new friends, that's a must.

I hear in Paris it's horrible. In Berlin, even though they're very liberal and have a very diverse crowd on their clubs, they also have a soft door policy. I was on the line of this big pop music nightclub and a young lady on the reception asked me if I knew that was a gay club and if I had a problem with that. I was like...what?!

And as we're talking about nightclubs habits, Brazilians find quite odd that people don't kiss/hookup as often on parties in the US or Western Europe.
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I hear in Paris it's horrible. In Berlin, even though they're very liberal and have a very diverse crowd on their clubs, they also have a soft door policy. I was on the line of this big pop music nightclub and a young lady on the reception asked me if I knew that was a gay club and if I had a problem with that. I was like...what?!

And as we're talking about nightclubs habits, Brazilians find quite odd that people don't kiss/hookup as often on parties in the US or Western Europe.
Berghain in Berlin is the most notorious club in the world for turning people away at the door. I mostly don't wait in lines to enter any nightlife venue anymore... but I'll consider it for Berghain since I've never been.
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Berghain in Berlin is the most notorious club in the world for turning people away at the door. I mostly don't wait in lines to enter any nightlife venue anymore... but I'll consider it for Berghain since I've never been.
Me neither. Even though paulistanos like it/don't mind, I hate lines. But as I got old, we arrive early and need to wait for the opening. 23 sharp to leave 2 or 3. I found it odd though she asking it in a very serious, formal way.

It's SchwuZ the name of the club. I googled and apparently they survived Covid. Your typical pop music, joyful kind of club. I don't like anything too edgy or pretentious places full of "insiders". That kinda of things is also passé. I considered Berghain but I didn't like the reviews and the soundtrack.
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BsAs has a climate similar to Washington, DC, or Atlanta...
Swampy and hot? DC's summers are absolutely horrible. I always imagined BSAS being cool, dry and breezy..after all, it's the city of Fair Winds.
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Swampy and hot? DC's summers are absolutely horrible. I always imagined BSAS being cool, dry and breezy..after all, it's the city of Fair Winds.
It's pretty hot and humid in the summer months, but way milder than Washington in the winter. It basically never snows in Bs As in the winter.

It's not an endless summer climate like south Florida, but it's still around 15C or in the 60s F on an average winter day. So maybe like Houston or New Orleans in the winter.
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Temps are a bit extreme in some parts of Southern Brazil and Argentina. It's the subtropical/temperate climate.

Buenos Aires and Porto Alegre are known for their hot summers as they're both at sea levels. I checked average temps and Buenos Aires is 20C (min) 30C (max) on the hottest month as opposed to 25C and 34C for Houston or 22C and 32C for Washington, but you still get very hot days there.
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St. Louis really screwed the pooch with regards to Mexican immigration considering that it’s the closest rustbelt city to the actual Mexican border by far.
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Swampy and hot? DC's summers are absolutely horrible. I always imagined BSAS being cool, dry and breezy..after all, it's the city of Fair Winds.
Summers are warm and humid like the northeast U.S., winters are cool (not cold) and dry like the southeast U.S. In other words, summers like NYC, and winters like Charleston SC.
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St. Louis really screwed the pooch with regards to Mexican immigration considering that it’s the closest rustbelt city to the actual Mexican border by far.
I'm guessing St Louis doesn't have as much economic opportunity or immigrant oriented social services and safety nets as Chicago though. Most immigrants get jobs in areas like waste management, manufacturing, construction, accommodation and food services. Bigger cities generally offer more opportunities here. I'm more surprised that Detroit and the Twin Cities rank relatively low in terms of Mexican population.
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St. Louis really screwed the pooch with regards to Mexican immigration considering that it’s the closest rustbelt city to the actual Mexican border by far.
and it's not a missouri thing because KC (while not "rust-belt") has done a far better job at attracting mexican immigrants than STL has.

it is a bit of a mystery to me how cities like KC and Milwaukee ended up with ~3x more latinos (proportionally) than midwest peers like STL and Cincinnati.
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and it's not a missouri thing because KC (while not "rust-belt") has done a far better job at attracting mexican immigrants than STL has.

it is a bit of a mystery to me how cities like KC and Milwaukee ended up with ~3x more latinos than midwest peers like STL, Cincinnati, and Pittsburgh.
I think Milwaukee's large community is probably due to proximity to Chicago and subsequent spillover. KC has a very large agrarian component to its economy, which has traditionally attracted Mexican labor. KC is also obviously much closer to the Mexican border than other Midwestern cities. It's closer to Dallas than it is Cincinnati. Omaha also has a large Mexican community, probably for the same reasons as KC.
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I think Milwaukee's large community is probably due to proximity to Chicago and subsequent spillover. KC has a very large agrarian component to its economy, which has traditionally attracted Mexican labor. KC is also obviously much closer to the Mexican border than other Midwestern cities. KC is closer to Dallas than it is Cincinnati. Omaha also has a large Mexican community, probably for the same reasons as KC.
Chicago spillover seems like the likely explanation for Milwaukee.
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and it's not a missouri thing because KC (while not "rust-belt") has done a far better job at attracting mexican immigrants than STL has.

it is a bit of a mystery to me how cities like KC and Milwaukee ended up with ~3x more latinos (proportionally) than midwest peers like STL and Cincinnati.
The explanation I have always heard is the wave of mass Mexican migration to these areas started in the 1980s, which was a real down cycle for steel and automotive. As a result, cities where those were important industries (Pittsburgh, Cleveland, etc.) missed out on forming nascent communities.

Then, later generations of migrants tended to follow friends/families, so there was no reason to pick a city with almost no Mexican community over one with an established one.

Same dynamic is going on at a lower level with groups like Burmese and Somalis now. Some cities have built up a critical mass and are attracting more and more, while others have not.
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Looking at Statisticalatlas, interesting to see that Sandusky's Hispanic population is mostly Mexican (8% of the population), Lorain is mostly Puerto Rican (6% of the population). Two rust-belt Ohio cities 35 miles apart from each other.
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