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Old Posted Jan 14, 2022, 8:25 PM
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Superior, WI isn't exactly the model a thriving, vibrant small city, but it's still an order of magnitude more intact than Cairo, IL.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/pRSaUGHJdpHs3VoEA



Cairo is in danger of going full ghost-city in the coming decades.

1920 peak: 15,203
2020 census: 1,733

Define: -13,470 (-88.6%)



Superior is in nowhere near as dire straits.

1920 peak: 40,384
2020 census: 26,751

Decline: -13,633 (-34.8%)



And Superior has Duluth (86,697) just on the other side of the harbor, and together they still anchor a region of actual economic consequence (2020 MSA pop. 291,638), whereas Cairo is done being such a place, and has been for some time. It was always just too damn floody to be a real population center.

lol what the heckkers? i know that -- just the streetview pic, not the whole city. there has been a lot of obvious clear cutting around superior that reminded me of that view. of course its not dead, but lots of vibes there was much more to the place. maybe not, i dk, but it seemed like it, especially as compared to duluth.

https://www.google.com/maps/@46.7338...7i16384!8i8192
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Old Posted Jan 14, 2022, 8:45 PM
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Superior WI reminds me of Bay City, MI.

There's something way too overscaled about the smaller cities of the northern Great Lakes. It's like they were all laid out to be the next Chicago, and it really looks silly nowadays. The cores look bleak and uninviting, whether thriving or not.
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Old Posted Jan 14, 2022, 8:51 PM
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1 block from the ocean front in Atlantic City: https://goo.gl/maps/4Hyvs6zTWoimHGHU8
That vacant oceanfront isn't really abandoned, and it's worth a ton. It's landbanking.

When AC legalized gambling, basically everything along the oceanfront was purchased by major institutional entities, and then demolished. So, yeah, it's empty, but it's empty because of high land values, not low land values.

Of course much of it hasn't yet been developed because of local dysfunction and a downturn in gambling.
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Old Posted Jan 14, 2022, 8:55 PM
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A harder challenge is to try to find blighted city neighborhoods which aren't black.

I can think of a few in Pittsburgh:

Esplen
East Deutschtown
Spring Garden
Allentown

These are all in 50%+ white areas. They're getting more diverse - and in some cases gentrifying - but they're not black neighborhoods.
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Old Posted Jan 14, 2022, 9:18 PM
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Southwest Detroit, except for the extreme southernmost section, is white, Arab or Hispanic, and is about as blighted as poor black neighborhoods in Detroit.

This neighborhood is Puerto Rican, Dominican and Appalachian White, and increasingly Mexican. Almost no black population:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3405...7i16384!8i8192

This neighborhood is Arab, with some legacy Appalachian white population. Some blacks, but not many:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3386...7i16384!8i8192
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Old Posted Jan 14, 2022, 10:32 PM
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The south end of Back of the Yards, Chicago:
https://goo.gl/maps/ECSpyTVEc4q8dvYa6

Majority Hispanic north of Garfield
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Old Posted Jan 14, 2022, 11:00 PM
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A harder challenge is to try to find blighted city neighborhoods which aren't black.

I can think of a few in Pittsburgh:

Esplen
East Deutschtown
Spring Garden
Allentown

These are all in 50%+ white areas. They're getting more diverse - and in some cases gentrifying - but they're not black neighborhoods.
Brightmoor in Detroit went from predominantly white to abandoned in the 90s and 00s. The neighborhood might have some blocks where the remaining houses are occupied by white residents: https://goo.gl/maps/edyHYMWEXyaPoqbH8
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Old Posted Jan 14, 2022, 11:33 PM
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A harder challenge is to try to find blighted city neighborhoods which aren't black.

I can think of a few in Pittsburgh:


Spring Garden


These are all in 50%+ white areas. They're getting more diverse - and in some cases gentrifying - but they're not black neighborhoods.
Spring Garden may be one of the strangest places on Earth.
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This thread is dark and depressing, but still lures you in! . It makes me want to binge watch old Black Mirror episodes! As a matter of fact, I half expect to see those robot dogs, (Black mirror episode) roam around had some of these pics been videos!
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2022, 12:07 AM
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Tragic! As others have pointed out, things looked fairly intact not that long ago. What happened?
Baltimore Sun article from 2017 on the decline of Park Heights.
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2022, 12:20 AM
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Philly is clearly on the upswing but there are still blocks like this https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9805...7i16384!8i8192
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2022, 1:32 AM
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Spring Garden may be one of the strangest places on Earth.
One of my former coworkers said every time he was in Spring Garden it reminded him of Haiti. Like, he was expecting to see a chicken run across the street. I'm not quite sure I got the analogy, but it was like 15 years ago.

Regardless, that whole cluster of neighborhoods (Spring Garden, Spring Hill, East Deutschtown, etc.) was always just about the poorest white section of the city. The construction of I-279 isolated it even further. It also doesn't help that the frame houses in the neighborhood start to fall apart after like a decade of neglect, which meant the neighborhood going to ruin happened shockingly fast.

There's a little whiff of gentrification these days, but I think these guys are pushing it. Spending half a million to live in a largely blighted (albeit totally safe) neighborhood in Pittsburgh?
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There is a section of SE downtown Phoenix that has block after block that's really close to being fully empty:
https://goo.gl/maps/uRVCWNYJXtnKFy6F7

It sits directly under the flight path of runways 7L/25R and 7R/25L at Sky Harbor (1 mile from the end).
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2022, 3:41 AM
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Baltimore has, for many decades, had a program where you could buy abandoned buildings--houses and some commercial buildings--from the city for $1 if you promised to renovate and occupy (or cause to be occupied by renting out) them. My sister once bought an office building near the Inner Harbor (now trendy) under the program and used it as the office of her business.

But a lot of the row houses, for example, are nothing but shells. The renovation costs are steep.
Same thing in Albany, I almost went ahead with one such project, but didn't dare in the end (I was busy enough with other markets and it seemed like an unnecessary risk to take, even though I LOVE the idea of doing more to save 1800s buildings).
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2022, 3:51 AM
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One of the most depressing places Ive been was Cairo, IL.

When I went about 10 years ago a good chunk of the downtown was still there, albeit abandoned. Looks like now nearly all of it is gone.

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0006...7i13312!8i6656
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_Historic_District
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2022, 3:56 AM
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The photo on that Wikipedia page is mine from when I went there in 2011. I actually just edited that page like a week ago, stating that all of those buildings in my photo are now gone.
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Fascinating but really depressing examples. Reminds me of the time that I lost 3 hours just reading up on the Pruitt-Igoe urban renewal disaster.
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Palisades del Rey, renamed to Playa del Rey, had an area in south portion renamed to Surfridge. Custom built ocean view homes from the 1920s and home to some Hollywood stars, abandoned because of LAX runway expansion. Only the streets and streetlights remain of the neighborhood.
https://goo.gl/maps/doo4rhc5QfTBHFwV7
https://goo.gl/maps/j3qokhzrJyULwQpm8



https://www.pinterest.com/pin/514043744971322885/


https://alchetron.com/Palisades-del-Rey%2C-California



Vista Del Mar at Ney St looking north 1969 to 2011 Fade by Michael D., on Flickr

surfridge aerial by Johanna Siegmann, on Flickr

old Surfridge 2 by Pete Morris, on Flickr
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^Fascinating. Would be nice if they started beautifying it by ripping out the old streets.
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There is the old town of Goussinville in Paris northeastern suburbs
Especially Rue Brulée.
https://www.google.fr/maps/@49.01449...7i16384!8i8192

What happened? It's a bit like Palisades del Rey. It's near one of Paris Charles de Gaulle airport runway.
In the 1970s Paris airport autority bought the village but they couldn't demolish it because the church listed as a Historic Monument.
In 1973, a plane even crashed there, killing 8 people on ground.
1973 Paris Air Show Tu-144 crash
This lead most people to fled out of the area.

The old Goussainville is not empty, there are still people inhabiting in it. In the 2010s Paris aiport autority sold the area to the municipality of Goussainville for one euro.
The goal of the town is to revive part of the old village despite the noise.

https://www.messynessychic.com/2013/...is-ghost-town/
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