While I agree the Brits are the "winners" in this idiocy, you go to a nightlife district in Hamburg, Cologne or Amsterdam, at least pre-Covid, you'll see fights. Definitely an alcohol-fueled weekend fight culture, at least outside of Med Europe. I haven't seen this in the Club Med nations, excepting France, but Northern France is culturally Northern Europe.
There also seems to be a Protestant-Catholic divide when it comes to this.
(Though the Irish would be an exception to this rule. They are however in a Protestant-normative part of the world, and were under that type of "yoke" for a fairly long period of time.)
Even with a very cold weather pattern (we’re talking temps in the teens), Philadelphia has still managed to clock in 17 murders in January so far as of yesterday.
There also seems to be a Protestant-Catholic divide when it comes to this.
(Though the Irish would be an exception to this rule. They are however in a Protestant-normative part of the world, and were under that type of "yoke" for a fairly long period of time.)
I'm guessing this goes back to north/south differences prior to the reformation?
I mean, I would expect there are a fair number of bar fights in Poland.
Even with a very cold weather pattern (we’re talking temps in the teens), Philadelphia has still managed to clock in 17 murders in January so far as of yesterday.
I'm guessing this goes back to north/south differences prior to the reformation?
I mean, I would expect there are a fair number of bar fights in Poland.
Perhaps the cultural angle is a better one?
Celtic and Germanic people (including the English in that as "Anglo-Saxons") has a reputation for being more "fighty". Pretty sure Slavs do as well.
More Latin people (French, Spanish, Portuguese) have less of a fighty reputation.
In France, the Bretons have a national reputation for being fighters. And their origins are Celtic.
Here in Quebec where I live, Anglo-Canadians and Americans (generally lumped in together as "anglos") have a bad reputation for causing trouble in bars and nightclubs.
While I agree the Brits are the "winners" in this idiocy, you go to a nightlife district in Hamburg, Cologne or Amsterdam, at least pre-Covid, you'll see fights. Definitely an alcohol-fueled weekend fight culture, at least outside of Med Europe. I haven't seen this in the Club Med nations, excepting France, but Northern France is culturally Northern Europe.
Funnily enough, I was in both Amsterdam and Hamburg about nine months before Covid. Walking from the ferry into the central Amsterdam, looking for a bar, following a stream of tourists walking from Amsterdam Centraal to their hostels, I came abreast of an English guy rolling his giant suitcase down a bike lane, nose stuck in his phone.
Central Amsterdam is an exercise in getting in cyclists' way at the best of times. This guy had the whole lane blocked, sending oncoming cyclists scattering. One finally stopped.
Dutch cylist: um excuse me but just so you know this is a cycling lane.
English guy: OUTTA MY WAY YOU DUMB DUTCH CUNT.
Point is, Amsterdam attracts the worst of the English, who are already the worst. If people are fighting in Amsterdam, they're English. I can't imagine a Dutch boy getting worked up enough about anything to mess up his hair.
Hamburg I could maybe imagine fighting being likely, but I've boozed it up there plenty. The streets around St. Pauli get packed with drinkers on weekends, and they're allowed to wander around with drinks. Never did see a fight. Plenty of whores though. Maybe around the Reeperbahn people get scrappier, but they also get less local.
My years in Berlin I've only seen two bar fights. And one way-out-of-line person was involved in both of them. And one of them involved a really pissed off Canadian.
eschaton, you asked about Poland. It does seem like a place where people would fight. Their soccer fans are definitely hardcore and do fight. Lodz and Krakow look like dangerous cities--especially Lodz. But I've boozed it a bunch in Poland too and besides seeing drunk dads at the beach--of all places--puff their chests up at each other, I've never actually seen a fight. The hip nouveau riche of Warsaw absolutely have better things to do.
You and Acajack are onto something with the Catholic/Protestant thing. Basically, Protestants are more given to teetotaling. Ban anything and just watch people get perverse with it. Give them a couple hundred years to forget how to hold their alcohol and watch them melt down every time they get a drink in them.
For what it's worth, Germany is more Catholic than people realize. They're proud enough of Martin Luther but this was ground zero for the 30 years war. Catholicism maintains. The drinking culture reflects that.
The Dutch let all their teetotal cranks go to America hundreds of years ago.
My perception in Scandinavia (Norway and Sweden) was that they are so socially adverse that a fight would never break out because it would involve actually talking to a stranger.
The Scandinavians were doing social distancing before it was cool
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Germany is actually much more Catholic than Protestant these days. But that speaks more to the more rapid disintegration of Lutheranism than anything else. Lutheranism is almost dead in the land of Martin Luther. Former East Germany is one of the most irreligious places on earth. Northern Germany is almost entirely irreligious.
And Germany, culturally, is Protestant. Yeah, parts of Bavaria are exceptions. But even the Catholic Rhineland is culturally Protestant. Feels more Netherlands/Scandinavia/UK than anywhere south of the Alps.
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It's a bias due to the visibility of the information.
It's not that getting stabbed is more common in London or Paris than New York City, it's just that those crimes are more likely to make headlines in London or Paris.
A valid point, whilst murders by knives and sharp implements accounts for 20% of all murders in New York City, in London they account for 60%. That could give the false impression that you’re more likely to be stabbed in London (and I assume Paris as well) than you would in New York even though the evidence is the opposite.
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I don't think it's a great proxy:
• San Francisco's murder rate is about 1/8 Detroit's, but the two cities have similar rates of reported robbery.
• San Francisco's robbery rate is also much more similar to Chicago's robbery rate than SF's murder rate is to Chicago's murder rate.
• Houston's robbery rate is higher than Detroit's robbery rate, and despite Detroit regularly having one of the top 3 murder rates in the country.
You can pick through a lot of inconsistencies with the metrics. We focus on murder rate because it's a media talking point.
The counter argument would be the geography of San Francisco, with Oakland across the bay (with its 134 murders) forms part of the same criminal eco-system. Detroit has high deprivation, been hollowed out through de-urbanisation and relocation, funding issues and corrupt elements within local government and the police (lack of trust, resources, etc…).
There will be variations due to local socio-economic circumstances, but as raised across several points in my previous post, the US simply has a more conducive environment for criminal elements to prosper. The high murder count is a reflection of the cost of doing business in a thriving sector.
With the conversation around fist-fights, I haven’t seen a scuffle since my uni days long ago! Rates of alcohol-fuelled violence have nose-dived in the last two decades (lower numbers of people drinking, fewer pubs and clubs, increased venue security, etc…). Football hooliganism which Britain once had a horrific reputation for has been mostly purged due to concentrated police action over the years.
My perception in Scandinavia (Norway and Sweden) was that they are so socially adverse that a fight would never break out because it would involve actually talking to a stranger.
The Scandinavians were doing social distancing before it was cool
i find this immensely amusing after finding out that i’m 1/4 scandi and that’s a direct import from attacking and pwning the british isles like maniacs for 300 years.
midwesterners are like this, to be sure. don’t fucking touch me or come close to touching me is a very pre-pandemic vibe.
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Portland has 10 homicides so far in January, which is an all-time record for the month by far (Portland often went all of January with zero homicides in previous years). This includes three unsolved fatal shootings in the past four days, including one tonight:
For whatever reasons, the city seems completely paralyzed and incapable of dealing with its violent crime problems, which is - in turn - attracting more violent criminals to the city.
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