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Old Posted May 27, 2023, 3:43 PM
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Yeah, a lot of the South Brooklyn demographics will resist CitiBike. The Orthodox neighborhoods, the Russian neighborhoods, the old-line Italian or Irish areas. They already fight all bike infrastructure. The Orthodox areas claim that hot young women on bikes will tempt their young boys.
Yeah, you can see exactly where the orthodox area is in South Williamsburg and northern Bed Stuy on this map lol: https://citibikenyc.com/explore#map
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It never occurred to me that female cyclists might be discriminated against just for being female, but learn something new everyday. Just another example why religion is a virus that needs to be eradicated.
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Parts of South Brooklyn have been resistant to separated bike lanes, so Citibike will take a few years. Staten Island will probably take a decade. Citibike doesn't go past Prospect Park, for now.

Citibike, right now, is enormous, because it's such a dense network. I'm pretty sure it will be the largest network on earth once the current phase is completed. I think once this phase is done it will be something like 40,000 bikes and 2,000 stations, and ridership this spring has topped 130k daily, so you know the summer numbers will be good. But current phase isn't done till 2024, and it only covers like 20-25% of the city's geography (though more like 40% of the population).

I don't think the entire city will be covered for 20 years, at least. It will take time.
I just checked and it looks like Divvy basically covers all of Chicago now, though the most outlying areas seem to only have e-bikes and no normal bike docks right now. Obviously not as dense or well-used as NYC.

Apparently citywide coverage just happened this month: https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/dept...-50-wards.html



I guess O'Hare airport isn't covered though! Might be faster than the blue line some days... (probably not, looks like O'Hare is a good 2 hour bike ride from the loop...)

Also, surprising that Evanston is the only other municipality to join. Oak Park / Cicero/ Berwyn would make a lot of sense...
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It never occurred to me that female cyclists might be discriminated against just for being female, but learn something new everyday. Just another example why religion is a virus that needs to be eradicated.
If that was their argument, their opposition hasn't actually kept cyclists out of their neighborhood. It has only kept the bike kiosks out. The orthodox area in south W'burg and north Bed-Stuy is one of the most heavily biked corridors in the entire borough. But the traffic is almost all just pass through, with people biking back and forth between the more popular parts of Williamsburg, Bed-Stuy, Clinton Hill, Crown Heights, etc.
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Some new Toronto Bike Lanes:

Wellington Street




Keele & Dovehouse


Keele & Sheppard


Sheppard completes a missing link in the Sunfield/Sentinal cycling route.


Finch Bike Lane Under Construction:


https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/thread...15478/page-309
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Old Posted May 29, 2023, 12:57 PM
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Yeah, a lot of the South Brooklyn demographics will resist CitiBike. The Orthodox neighborhoods, the Russian neighborhoods, the old-line Italian or Irish areas. They already fight all bike infrastructure. The Orthodox areas claim that hot young women on bikes will tempt their young boys.
oy! no, that is not why.

its considered a form a carrying.

which ... it is.

so banned on the sabbath.
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Amsterdam and Copenhagen really set the gold standard for active travel, not because of the quality of cycling infrastructure, but just how hospitable the environment is in the absence of protected infrastructure.

I consider myself a pretty experienced cyclist managing 15,000km a year, and adept at cycling on busy roads. I’m fine with roads in London and Paris (the French police weren’t too happy with me doing unofficial fast laps of the Arc de Triomphe the other week), and countless other cities/countries. A few weeks back I was in NYC and Washington, and whilst I didn’t ride, from a pedestrian perspective, I certainly would feel more uncomfortable being on the road due to the more erratic nature of North American drivers, generally poorer quality road surface, fewer interventions to reduce speeding and larger vehicles with obscured views. Which is probably why New York has a lower volume of cyclists and higher accident volumes compared to London.
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Old Posted May 30, 2023, 2:35 PM
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Pretty sure there are way more cyclists in New York than London.

But New York is also not the typical experience of cycling in the U.S.
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Pretty sure there are way more cyclists in New York than London.

But New York is also not the typical experience of cycling in the U.S.
For 2018, I get a figure of 745,000 for London and 510,000 for New York.
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Old Posted May 30, 2023, 3:01 PM
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For 2018, I get a figure of 745,000 for London and 510,000 for New York.
Based on what?
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I just checked and it looks like Divvy basically covers all of Chicago now, though the most outlying areas seem to only have e-bikes and no normal bike docks right now. Obviously not as dense or well-used as NYC.

Apparently citywide coverage just happened this month: https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/dept...-50-wards.html



I guess O'Hare airport isn't covered though! Might be faster than the blue line some days... (probably not, looks like O'Hare is a good 2 hour bike ride from the loop...)

Also, surprising that Evanston is the only other municipality to join. Oak Park / Cicero/ Berwyn would make a lot of sense...
Oak Park used to be part of the broader Divvy system, but they pulled it in ~2019(?). I guess not enough people were using it for it to be sustainable. Most households in OP have bikes, so I think they many were intended for tourists or for locals commuting to Green, Blue and Metra lines. OP is an island 9 miles away from the Loop, so it's not like people were riding Divvy bikes from the Loop to OP to visit FLW sites.
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Code:
City	                Bike# Walk# Bike% Walk%
Albuquerque, NM........	 3379  5198  1.3  2.0
Anaheim, CA............  1389  2748  0.9  1.8
Anchorage, AK..........  1708  4074  1.1  2.7
Arlington, TX..........   367  3150  0.2  1.8
Atlanta, GA............  1616  9288  0.8  4.7
Aurora, CO.............   598  2379  0.4  1.5
Austin, TX.............  6251 10737  1.5  2.5
Bakersfield, CA........   659  2025  0.5  1.5
Baltimore, MD..........  2174 17168  0.8  6.5
Baton Rouge, LA........   693  3759  0.7  3.6
Birmingham, AL.........   173  2029  0.2  2.4
Boise City, ID.........  3860  2933  3.7  2.8
Boston, MA.............  5260 47880  1.7 15.1
Buffalo, NY............   964  6498  0.9  6.2
Chandler, AZ...........   777  1163  0.6  1.0
Charlotte, NC..........   682  7705  0.2  2.1
Chesapeake, VA.........   268  1364  0.2  1.2
Chicago, IL............ 15686 77753  1.3  6.4
Chula Vista, CA........   279  1536  0.3  1.5
Cincinnati, OH.........   596  7105  0.5  5.4
Cleveland, OH..........   925  7015  0.6  4.8
Colorado Springs, CO...  1091  5146  0.5  2.6
Columbus, OH...........  2780 11023  0.7  2.8
Corpus Christi, TX.....   464  2371  0.3  1.7
Dallas, TX.............   821 10289  0.1  1.8
Denver, CO.............  7019 13670  2.3  4.4
Des Moines, IA.........   431  2771  0.4  2.8
Detroit, MI............   655  6589  0.3  3.1
Durham, NC.............   971  3300  0.9  2.9
El Paso, TX............   413  5175  0.2  1.9
Fayetteville, NC.......   190  4212  0.2  4.7
Fontana, CA............   154   602  0.2  0.8
Fort Wayne, IN.........   382  1714  0.3  1.5
Fort Worth, TX.........   488  3859  0.1  1.2
Fremont, CA............   371  1359  0.4  1.5
Fresno, CA.............  1533  3469  0.8  1.9
Garland, TX............    77  1102  0.1  1.0
Gilbert, AZ............   360   606  0.4  0.6
Glendale, AZ...........   778  1492  0.8  1.5
Greensboro, NC.........   351  2635  0.3  2.1
Henderson, NV..........   186  1535  0.2  1.3
Hialeah, FL............   171  1861  0.2  1.9
Houston, TX............  4220 21092  0.4  2.1
Indianapolis, IN.......  1617  7733  0.4  2.0
Irvine, CA.............  1769  3933  1.7  3.8
Irving, TX.............   174  1705  0.2  1.6
Jacksonville, FL.......  1676  5371  0.4  1.4
Jersey City, NJ........   582 10525  0.5  8.5
Kansas City, MO........   649  4512  0.3  2.1
Laredo, TX.............    43  1367  0.0  1.5
Las Vegas, NV..........  1052  4820  0.4  1.9
Lexington-Fayette, KY..  1286  5778  0.9  3.8
Lincoln, NE............  2127  4317  1.5  3.1
Long Beach, CA.........  2217  5883  1.1  2.8
Los Angeles, CA........ 17244 63917  1.0  3.7
Louisville-Jefferson, KY 1094  5887  0.4  2.2
Lubbock, TX............   539  2490  0.5  2.2
Madison, WI............  6793 12082  5.1  9.1
Memphis, TN............   441  5280  0.2  1.9
Mesa, AZ...............  1802  3059  0.9  1.6
Miami, FL..............  1237  6821  0.7  3.9
Milwaukee, WI..........  2151 12668  0.8  5.0
Minneapolis, MN........  8334 13192  4.1  6.4
Modesto, CA............   661  1022  0.8  1.3
Montgomery, AL.........   187  1228  0.2  1.4
Nashville-Davidson, TN.   925  5683  0.3  1.9
New Orleans, LA........  3135  7611  2.1  5.1
New York, NY........... 28458 378352 0.8  10.3
Newark, NJ............    251  8360  0.2  8.0
Norfolk, VA...........    576  5233  0.5  4.2
North Las Vegas, NV...    179   939  0.2  1.0
Oakland, CA...........   4346  7585  2.4  4.2
Oklahoma City, OK.....    494  4464  0.2  1.6
Omaha, NE.............    393  5858  0.2  2.8
Orlando, FL...........    532  2384  0.4  1.9
Oxnard, CA............    542  1388  0.6  1.6
Philadelphia, PA......  11755 51760  2.0  8.6
Phoenix, AZ...........   4640 11800  0.7  1.8
Pittsburgh, PA........   1893 16121  1.3 11.3
Plano, TX.............    122  1041  0.1  0.8
Portland, OR..........  18315 17030  6.1  5.7
Raleigh, NC...........   1175  4213  0.6  2.1
Reno, NV..............    982  3727  0.9  3.5
Richmond, VA..........   1960  4027  2.1  4.2
Riverside, CA.........   1126  3540  0.9  2.8
Rochester, NY.........   1021  5320  1.2  6.2
Sacramento, CA........   4935  6233  2.5  3.2
San Antonio, TX.......   1011 12048  0.2  2.0
San Bernardino, CA....    265  1543  0.4  2.2
San Diego, CA.........   5885 18537  0.9  2.9
San Francisco, CA.....  14833 43363  3.4  9.9
San Jose, CA..........   4023  7915  0.9  1.8
Santa Ana, CA.........   1629  3221  1.1  2.2
Scottsdale, AZ........   1119  1945  1.0  1.8
Seattle, WA...........  11970 31863  3.4  9.1
Shreveport, LA........     63  1649  0.1  1.9
Spokane, WA...........   1130  3199  1.2  3.5
St. Louis, MO.........   1150  6022  0.8  4.2
St. Paul, MN..........   1572  6101  1.1  4.4
St. Petersburg, FL....   1381  2849  1.2  2.5
Stockton, CA..........    658  1737  0.6  1.6
Tacoma, WA............    654  3401  0.7  3.8
Tampa, FL.............   2128  4194  1.4  2.7
Toledo, OH............    388  3351  0.3  2.9
Tucson, AZ............   5527  8178  2.4  3.6
Tulsa, OK.............    657  3727  0.4  2.0
Urban Honolulu, HI....   3070 15637  1.8  9.0
Virginia Beach, VI....   1629  5014  0.7  2.2
Washington, DC........   9347 37055  3.1 12.1
Wichita, KS...........    476  2402  0.3  1.3
Winston-Salem, NC.....    172  2116  0.2  2.1
Toronto, ON...........  23350 85475  2.2  7.2
Montreal, QC..........  22935 61870  3.1  8.5
Calgary, AB...........   7400 29260  1.3  5.1
Ottawa, ON............  10800 31345  2.5  7.3
Edmonton, AB..........   5955 19825  1.4  4.6
Mississauga, ON.......   1140  7815  0.4  2.3
Winnipeg, MB..........   7075 18095  2.1  5.4
Vancouver, BC.........  12855 36960  4.4 12.5
Brampton, ON..........    685  4015  0.3  1.6
Hamilton, ON..........   1810 11230  0.8  4.9
Quebec, QC............   4160 19985  1.6  7.7
Surrey, BC............    730  5465  0.3  2.6
Laval, QC.............    955  4480  0.5  2.4
Halifax, NS...........   2210 16705  1.1  8.5
London, ON............   2810  9790  1.7  5.8
Markham, ON...........    345  2425  0.3  1.8
Vaughan, ON...........    250  2115  0.2  1.5
Gatineau, QC..........   2670  6165  2.0  4.5
Longueuil, QC.........   1435  4545  1.3  4.1
Burnaby, BC...........    750  4490  0.7  4.3
Saskatoon, SK.........   2600  6160  2.2  5.3
Kitchener, ON.........    980  4665  0.9  4.3
Windsor, ON...........   1095  3735  1.4  4.7
London, ON beats New York, so I think it's safe to assume London, UK beats New York as well. Cycling rate in New York was much lower than other similarly walkable cities. Cycling rates in Jersey City and Newark are also lower than other non-central cities such as Oakland, Longueuil, and Gatineau. You can also see how far behind Toronto and its suburbs are compared to Montreal and its suburbs.
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London, Ontario is a college town and would be comparable to U.S. towns like Ann Arbor, Charlottesville and Boulder. London wouldn't really have any comparable relevance to major global cities.

Also this data predates the existence of CitiBike, which wasn't even established until five years after the data were gathered.
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London is more of a Columbus, Ohio. It's seen as a very average Canadian city, although it does contain Western University.

Kingston and Guelph come closer to the "college town" vibe.
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London, Ontario is a college town and would be comparable to U.S. towns like Ann Arbor, Charlottesville and Boulder. London wouldn't really have any comparable relevance to major global cities.

Also this data predates the existence of CitiBike, which wasn't even established until five years after the data were gathered.
There is no such thing as a college town in Canada and London Ontario is much larger than those American towns. It has a University but so those every large and medium Canadian city
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per the nyc dot — and i think as of oct, 2022:

i see annual cycling estimates keepsteadily rising — from 88M in 2008 to 201M by 2021.




BICYCLISTS
Cycling in the City

Cycling in the City provides a comprehensive look into cycling trends in our city.

NYC DOT uses data from local and national surveys to determine how frequently New Yorkers ride bicycles, and how that frequency changes over time.

As of October 2022, this will be available as a series of interactive graphs.



Highlights

1,456 lane miles of bike lanes installed in New York City as of 2021

590 lane miles of protected bike lanes installed in New York City as of 2021

According to the United States Decennial Census’ American Community Survey:
On a typical day, there are over 550,000 cycling trips made in New York City

According to the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene (NYC DOHMH) Community Health Survey:
30% of adult New Yorkers (approximately 1.9 million people) ride a bike

Approximately nine hundred thousand (880,000) New Yorkers ride a bike regularly


more:
https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/bi...nthecity.shtml
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Based on what?
Digging into the data further, I got these two sources which contains more recent figures:
London: https://tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/do...t-15-data.xlsx, Fig 2.5
New York: https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/bi...nthecity.shtml

From 2008 to 2021, the number of bike journeys in New York rose from 240,000 to 550,000. In London, the figure went from 489,060 to 864,005.



The Mayor has set a target for 2025 of 1.3mn daily cycling journeys which is doable considering the ongoing rollout of Low Traffic Neighbourhood’s, school streets, blanket 20mph speed limits across the city, on top of more segregated infrastructure and other indirect actions such as the Ultra Low Emissions Zone expansion, reduction of road space for vehicles, whether wholesale elimination of vehicle access, shared spaces and removal of parking spaces in favour of rain gardens and bike parking.

New York has made progress, but its roads are orders of magnitude more dangerous than London’s despite more people walking and cycling in London.

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did you know there are still around 5K bike messengers around nyc — as of the end of 2021?

it wasnt so long ago when they were pretty much the only bikers.
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Digging into the data further, I got these two sources which contains more recent figures:
London: https://tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/do...t-15-data.xlsx, Fig 2.5
New York: https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/bi...nthecity.shtml

From 2008 to 2021, the number of bike journeys in New York rose from 240,000 to 550,000. In London, the figure went from 489,060 to 864,005.

[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/SvKgcp2/Cycling-Journey.png[/IMG

The Mayor has set a target for 2025 of 1.3mn daily cycling journeys which is doable considering the ongoing rollout of Low Traffic Neighbourhood’s, school streets, blanket 20mph speed limits across the city, on top of more segregated infrastructure and other indirect actions such as the Ultra Low Emissions Zone expansion, reduction of road space for vehicles, whether wholesale elimination of vehicle access, shared spaces and removal of parking spaces in favour of rain gardens and bike parking.

New York has made progress, but its roads are orders of magnitude more dangerous than London’s despite more people walking and cycling in London.

[img]https://i.ibb.co/xzLDzKP/Traffic.png[/img


this is not apples to apples. as london is twice the area of nyc i would imagine if you added the corresponding inner nyc suburbs to even that acreage up it would be identical to london at least.
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