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Old Posted Jan 11, 2023, 4:27 PM
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Canada's 2022 Metro Area Population (CMA) estimates

Strong growth all across the country in the last year.

July 1, 2022 CMA's (2021)


St. John's 219,119 (214,267)

Halifax 480,582 (459,869)

Moncton 171,608 (162,824)

Québec 848,776 (836,615)

Sherbrooke 231,055 (227,448)

Montréal 4,378,796 (4,340,642)

Ottawa 1,498,610 (1,474,077)

Kingston 180,070 (176,738)

Toronto 6,685,621 (6,547,381)

Hamilton 821,839 (811,396)

St. Catharines 450,501 (441,452)

Kitchener 622,497 (599,816)

Guelph 172,400 (169,363)

London 574,238 (557,394)

Windsor 359,672 (351,213)

Barrie 228,979 (221,954)

Winnipeg 871,778 (858,848)

Regina 268,804 (264,375)

Saskatoon 347,536 (339,870)

Lethbridge 133,064 (130,088)

Calgary 1,608,342 (1,558,588)

Edmonton 1,516,719 (1,480,159)

Kelowna 235,473 (229,003)

Abbotsford 208,961 (205,834)

Vancouver 2,842,730 (2,764,932)

Victoria 423,136 (413,859)

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...pid=1710013501
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Toronto
Hamilton
Kitchener
Guelph
St. Catharine’s
Barrie

8,981,837
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Not so good for Montreal.
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Toronto
Hamilton
Kitchener
Guelph
St. Catharine’s
Barrie

8,981,837
+Oshawa (447,079) & Brantford (158,391) = 9,587,307
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Toronto
Hamilton
Kitchener
Guelph
St. Catharine’s
Barrie


8,981,837
The list above isn't every CMA in the country or in the Golden Horeshoe.

+Oshawa
+Branford
+Peterborough

9,772,312

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Toronto is Hamilton plus Oshawa: 7.95 million. 8.18 million with Barrie.

Commute rates amongst Kitchener and Toronto are incredibly low. I read somewhere in the Canadian forum that's around 3%. US CSA demands 15%.
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2023, 6:46 PM
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Toronto is Hamilton plus Oshawa: 7.95 million. 8.18 million with Barrie.

Commute rates amongst Kitchener and Toronto are incredibly low. I read somewhere in the Canadian forum that's around 3%. US CSA demands 15%.
Toronto is not in the US. why would US definition have to do with the Greater Golden Horseshoe.
Kitchener is in the GGH, and it's why it's included in regional planning such as having daily GO Train/Bus service to connect to the rest of the region
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Not so good for Montreal.
Montreal didn't lost much and has the best job growth in the country. Most poeple just moved to the outskirt of the CMA. The labor force is up 165k since December 2020.

Toronto is -86k since December 2020, Vancouver is up +87k.
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GGH is an economic area more similar to US CSA's. It's not equal to an MSA.

Toronto's "MSA" would likely be closer to the Toronto, Hamilton, and Oshawa CMAs, which is just under 8 million as others have said.

There are undoubly close ties from Kitchener to the GTA, but they are not a single metro. They very much operate as their own cities.
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GGH is an economic area more similar to US CSA's. It's not equal to an MSA.

Toronto's "MSA" would likely be closer to the Toronto, Hamilton, and Oshawa CMAs, which is just under 8 million as others have said.

There are undoubly close ties from Kitchener to the GTA, but they are not a single metro. They very much operate as their own cities.
No one said it was a single metro and the GGH is more than an economic area, it's the unit that all regional planning is based on, ie Land-use policy, transportation planning, settlement and growth planning.
It's a region of large co-dependent cities.
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GGH is an economic area more similar to US CSA's. It's not equal to an MSA.

Toronto's "MSA" would likely be closer to the Toronto, Hamilton, and Oshawa CMAs, which is just under 8 million as others have said.

There are undoubly close ties from Kitchener to the GTA, but they are not a single metro. They very much operate as their own cities.
No, GGH is not like US CSA at all. They are more like "Southern California", "Northeastern Ohio", a region. Commute rates between Kitchener and Toronto areas are incredibly low. Way way below the CSA threshold.


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Toronto is not in the US. why would US definition have to do with the Greater Golden Horseshoe.
Kitchener is in the GGH, and it's why it's included in regional planning such as having daily GO Train/Bus service to connect to the rest of the region
But what's the point to compare a region with half dozen of metro areas scattered around with other individual Canadian metro areas?
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No, GGH is not like US CSA at all. They are more like "Southern California", "Northeastern Ohio", a region. Commute rates between Kitchener and Toronto areas are incredibly low. Way way below the CSA threshold.




But what's the point to compare a region with half dozen of metro areas scattered around with other individual Canadian metro areas?
Who's comparing it to other metros, the GGH is a unique feature of Canada that no other region has such a concentration of large cities.
you are the only one who started to compare it to US CSA's
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Who's comparing it to other metros, the GGH is a unique feature of Canada that no other region has such a concentration of large cities.
you are the only one who started to compare it to US CSA's
I didn't compare it with CSA as they're not comparable. I only used them as an example. However, such comparison is extremely common here in the forum. Even @Innsertnamehere did it in this very thread.
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Not so good for Montreal.
Montreal doesn't really care about that stuff and TBQH it may never really have.

Though perhaps it should have cared more at one time, but in any event the city is doing fine at the moment and as GreaterMontréal has pointed out has some of the best economic numbers of Canada's big cities.

"Toronto can very well be Milan, but Montreal will always be Rome." - former Montreal mayor Jean Drapeau
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Yeah, Montreal strikes me as, by far, the most interesting city in Canada. And apparently direct flights to São Paulo were resumed... Maybe next year.

Anyway, apparently those small 50,000 inh. urban areas orbitting Montreal are growing fast.
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Commute to GTHA (2016)

Simcoe County (Barrie) 22.2%
Wellington County (Guelph) 14.7%
Niagara Region 13.5%
Waterloo Region (Kitchener) 6.3%

Simcoe is a few points short of "MSA" status, while Niagara and Wellington (I think) fall just short for CSA status.
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Commute to GTHA (2016)

Simcoe County (Barrie) 22.2%
Wellington County (Guelph) 14.7%
Niagara Region 13.5%
Waterloo Region (Kitchener) 6.3%

Simcoe is a few points short of "MSA" status, while Niagara and Wellington (I think) fall just short for CSA status.
Do you have Hamilton and Oshawa. Regardless the commute rate, to me they are "Toronto Metro Area". It's all built up. And as Canadians don't merge CMAs, they will be separated forever.
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Oshawa is in Durham Region and hence part of the Greater Toronto Area.

25.3% of Hamilton residents commute to the GTA, which means it would meet the "MSA" threshold. Greater Toronto-Hamilton Area is also used.
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Toronto is Hamilton plus Oshawa: 7.95 million. 8.18 million with Barrie.

Commute rates amongst Kitchener and Toronto are incredibly low. I read somewhere in the Canadian forum that's around 3%. US CSA demands 15%.
Toronto has the pull of everything within a ~90 minute drive. Trust this, Yuri.
Where my former boss bought a brand new house in central Niagara about 7-8 years ago almost every neighbour was a former Greater Toronto Area resident. Some even bought knowing prices would increase (you could sell in GTA and buy for 3-4x cheaper in 2014-2015) and commuted for the last 3-5+ years of their career in the GTA until retirement.

Years ago, when highway 406 in Welland made the Woodlawn Road on/off ramps they built a small commuter lot on the NE side, to encourage people to carpool together to commute to Hamilton/GTA. They knew it was only a matter of time before more people commuted out of Niagara for higher paying jobs.

Toronto is like an octopus with its tentacles reaching ever further and sucking nearby metros into its orbit.
If GO train became electrified high speed rail there'd be all day GO service to Niagara and other regions, far from downtown Toronto. That's one of the only things besides highway gridlock holding it back.
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Toronto and it's surrounding area are on fire! Winnipeg is bigger than I thought.
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