If the U.S. Collapses, What Would Be The Future of Your State (and City)

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

I think Trump did/does pose a test that we haven't seen since the Civil War.

It honestly blows my mind that fantasy people have created of trump. He was jus a loudmouth new yorker and a 90's democrat. Everyone acts like hes way crazier and more competent than he actually is.

Imagine comparing Trump to guys like Jeferson Davis and Robert E Lee, honestly an insult to the confederacy lol.

[wwmiv]

Originally Posted by Obadno

The American equivalent of Armenia between Rome and Persia, constantly being fought over by Texas and California, sometimes independent, usually not. Always a pain in the ass to both constant low-grade insurgencies out of the mountains.

Is this Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, or Utah?

[Buckeye Native 001]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

good catch.

it was a 10 second google search.

this one has been corrected:

We're not without our batshit crazies in the southwest but based on the last few election cycles you could probably flip Nevada, New Mexico and Colorado on that map. Arizona if you're feeling generous.

[Steely Dan]

^ right, the specifics of the map, and the battle lines it's based upon, do shift, but the larger point I was making was that Americans hating other Americans is not a new thing

America itself isn't stupid, but its citizens sure are.

Just like the other 8 billion upright walking talking monkeys on our little space rock.

[edale]

This thread...

The most outlandish/funniest post I've seen here is that Chicago would fight Indiana over Notre Dame as a place for their elite to be educated. 1) Chicago already has universities far better than Notre Dame (Northwestern, U Chicago) and 2) if society has totally collapsed, I don't think academia would just be chugging along undeterred.

[Crawford]

Right, if the U.S. truly collapses, there probably aren't functioning state govts either.

I don't get the point of this thread. Even Syria and Libya function. Somalia might be the only truly collapsed state. The odds of the U.S. collapsing are near-zero, and if it happened, you'd have other concerns, like repelling the invading zombie hordes.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by wwmiv

Is this Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, or Utah?

Arizona and New Mexico, Colorado will be gobbled up into whoever controls the Plaines as 90% of Colorado population lives just in front of the Rockies, the natural end point before the long trip between the Rockies and California

Due to the nature of the North American Geography id imagine the eastern half will easily be unified by the strongest power with maybe Texas maintaining itself out of sheer cultural strength between the Mississippi and the Rio Grande

Whatever the land between the Colorado river and the Rio Grande were to become given its tough geography it will be hard for outsiders to maintain control which is why I compare it to Armenia using its position to sometimes be allies, sometimes be enemies of either California or Texas (to closest powerhouses) who will vie over it. But that does not mean it itself will be unified probably a bunch of various city states and clans, this is the part of the country that actually has functioning native autonomous states too.

Utah becomes the Mormon kingdom and is its own thing entirely

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by Crawford

Right, if the U.S. truly collapses, there probably aren't functioning state govts either.

I don't get the point of this thread. Even Syria and Libya function. Somalia might be the only truly collapsed state. The odds of the U.S. collapsing are near-zero, and if it happened, you'd have other concerns, like repelling the invading zombie hordes.

Yes the United States isn't going anywhere and people presuming its downfall are going to be disappointed as the USA is still probably the most powerful country on earth for well more than another century.

Now how the "United States" functions on practical level, like actually staying a democracy. well, that might not be the case but the nation as an entity isn't going anywhere.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by edale

Chicago would fight Indiana over Notre Dame as a place for their elite to be educated. 1) Chicago already has universities far better than Notre Dame (Northwestern, U Chicago)

Well yeah, of course NU and UofC are more academically prestigious, but ND has the better football program BY FAR, so......

War it shall be.

[BnaBreaker]

There is no realistic chance of the United States collapsing in any of our lifetimes, but if it did, I think Georgia would immediately attempt to take Chattanooga by force, primarily to gain access to the Tennessee River. Most of them already think Chattanooga is just a suburb of Atlanta anyway.

This is actually not without precedent. There is an on-going dispute between the states of Georgia and Tennessee about where the northern border of Georgia should actually be that has been going to one degree or another since the early 19th Century, because Georgia wants that river access. If you want, you can read more about it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennes..._water_dispute

[chris08876]

If the U.S. collapsed, a lot of things would happen. An alliance of all the BosWash states would occur and form the new U.S..

NYC would activate its sleeper cells in South Florida and a civil war would occur between South Florida and the Panhandle. Further, more sleeper cells will activate in Miami and portions of Chicago in which Chicago would be incorporated into the BosWash nation and a fence built around the city. From that point, after the liberation of Chicago, all the anti-development Aldermans would be pushed off the Sears Tower, the Sears Tower name restored to its former name, none of this Willis nonsense and a new era of prosperity ushered.

As for South Florida, it will be the Singapore of the Nation of BosWash, establishing connections to other lands.


As for the rest of the former country, eh...

[iheartthed]

Unthinkable is not the same as impossible. It is unthinkable that the U.S. government could collapse, and even highly unlikely, but it is far from impossible. The cause of the collapse would likely be something that most people don't realize is even a possibility.

Pre-Civil War, it actually wasn't that unthinkable that the U.S. would collapse. A LOT of people in that era thought collapse would eventually happen, but they were also mostly within living memory of the American Revolution.

[JManc]

People don't realize how fragile civil society is. All it takes is a period of time and hardship for the deck of cards to fall. If TikTok is down for a few days, GenZ will not survive.


When it happens, I am going to form a cult in the Nevada desert and you are all cordially invited.

[wwmiv]

Originally Posted by JManc

People don't realize how fragile civil society is. All it takes is a period of time and hardship for the deck of cards to fall. If TikTok is down for a few days, GenZ will not survive.


When it happens, I am going to form a cult in the Nevada desert and you are all cordially invited.

Idk that a community of 90% men would survive very long.

[jmecklenborg]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

America itself isn't stupid, but its citizens sure are.

...and the Founding Fathers were smart as hell. This country's establishment was a one-in-a-million circumstance.

[jmecklenborg]

Originally Posted by wwmiv

Idk that a community of 90% men would survive very long.

...a lot longer than a community comprised almost entirely of women, that's for sure.

[wwmiv]

If the United States collapses, and no successor encompassing the vast majority if its territory takes over, someone above mentioned mass population movements if the country is partitioned along state lines (or collections thereof).

I imagine that these movements would operate along a lot of lines: employment, familial, birthplace, race and ethnicity, religion, and even ideological.

Mormons would likely move en masse to Deseret.

I would imagine rural blacks throughout the south would relocate en masse to Atlanta in particular, but also Houston, Dallas, and others. Other non-white ethnic groups would likely congregate in cities where they are a firmly established part of the social fabric. Mexican-Americans to Southern California, Phoenix, San Antonio, Houston; Cubanos to Miami; Puerto Ricans who don’t return to the island to Orlando and NYC; etc.

[Kngkyle]

Originally Posted by jmecklenborg

...a lot longer than a community comprised almost entirely of women, that's for sure.

Is that for sure? For repopulation purposes I'd think having 90% females and 10% males would be a benefit not a detriment.

[wwmiv]

Originally Posted by jmecklenborg

...a lot longer than a community comprised almost entirely of women, that's for sure.

Ten men and 100 women is way easier. It isn’t modern and ideal, but in such a case if each man builds familial lines with ten women, the genetic diversity should be such to sustain a new healthy population provided that care is taken for the next few generations to ensure proper derivative pairings which are monogamous. Essentially what many populations have done in time of crises.

There is some evidence that humans as a whole species have had nearly as small a bottleneck at least once before.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by Obadno

It honestly blows my mind that fantasy people have created of trump. He was jus a loudmouth new yorker and a 90's democrat. Everyone acts like hes way crazier and more competent than he actually is.

Imagine comparing Trump to guys like Jeferson Davis and Robert E Lee, honestly an insult to the confederacy lol.

It's not a fantasy, lol. This is supported by things that happened. You don't need to be a cunning genius to destabilize a country. A powerful idiot has brought down more societies than we can count.