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Old Posted Jun 12, 2019, 1:59 PM
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Other than ownership I see no difference. It will almost certainly be better maintained by the private developer than CPD .
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2019, 4:36 PM
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^ Unfortunately ownership is everything here.
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2019, 4:45 PM
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The Riverwalk, by the way, is a city facility, managed by CDOT. Apparently all the downtown building open space impact fees have for years been going into that rather than creating new parks in the South Loop, West Loop, and River North.
Interesting. If this a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul then I'm for it though. The Riverwalk is a bigger magnet and attraction then say a half new dozen pocket parks would have been throughout downtown.

Not to say we don't still need more green space/pocket parks downtown but hopefully, funds by other means can eventually be gathered.
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Old Posted Jun 20, 2019, 2:33 PM
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Lincoln Yards opponents ask judge to stop city from spending any money on the megaproject

Foes of the massive Lincoln Yards development on Wednesday asked a judge to stop the city from spending or borrowing any money for the $6 billion project slated for 55 acres just west of Lincoln Park.

The request by the public sector union-backed Grassroots Collaborative and Raise Your Hand education advocacy group is an attempt to keep the money spigot turned off while its lawsuit to toss out the record-high tax subsidy is heard.

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The opposition groups, which filed the suit in April, contend that the project led by developer Sterling Bay should not have qualified for the $1.3 billion in property tax funding. The tax assistance was approved earlier that month by the City Council in the waning days of former Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s administration amid much public controversy.

The tax subsidy is supposed to come from a new tax increment financing district, which under state law requires that the development area must be blighted and not subject to redevelopment absent the taxpayer funding.

The site doesn’t meet state requirements, the groups contend.

“The area’s proximity to Lincoln Park, Wicker Park and Bucktown, some of the most prosperous neighborhoods in the city, make it poised for growth and redevelopment regardless of TIF subsidies,” the motion states.


Tribune story here
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Old Posted Jun 20, 2019, 5:16 PM
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^ Again, I'll do anything but cry if this lawsuit drags out forcing delays for Sterling Bay.

Bad plan.
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Old Posted Jun 20, 2019, 6:52 PM
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LY is a flawed plan in an urban sense, but I'm not sure if the opponents have any legal ground to stand on... Aren't municipalities empowered to decide for themselves which areas are blighted (and therefore eligible for TIF creation)? I attended a public meeting, the city planner (maybe Reifman, can't remember) walked through several criteria under state law that Lincoln Yards firmly met, from crumbling buildings to weirdly-platted streets to environmental contamination.

Obviously the TIF legislation may have been "intended" for truly blighted areas, but it's pretty clear that the legislature wanted to give municipalities a lot of latitude in when/where TIF could be used for economic development, and that no laws were in fact broken in the creation of the two Lincoln Yards TIF districts...

Mr.D, feel like handicapping this lawsuit like you did for the Obama one?
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Old Posted Jun 20, 2019, 9:28 PM
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^ Oh, I'm certainly under no illusion that the suit has a decent chance. I would assume it's a very long shot at best

I did find the claim by city officials in the Trib article humorous that Lincoln Yards would not occur "as envisioned" w/o the historically massive TIF subsidy.

That could be argued for any TIF project for any reason, no matter how inappropriate a usage.



Aside, I know how you meant it and in that sense it's of course true - literally I suppose, but David Reifman being referred to as a planner was just about all the comic relief I needed this afternoon.
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Old Posted Jun 20, 2019, 11:10 PM
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Yes, a real long shot in my opinion.

The criteria in the state redevelopment statute are very loose (and outdated). Most due process claims are easily disposed of by the deference courts give to the city council's decision.

If a cornfield in Hoffman Estates qualifies as blighted, a brownfield industrial site in the inner city undoubtedly does.
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saw those the other day.. basically across the street from The Hideout
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2019, 4:16 PM
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So, SB is already making good on their promises to provide sports fields that are open to the public. Which is exactly what the shrill neighbors in LP and Bucktown were demanding.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2019, 4:39 PM
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Hardly noticed the soccer field in that pic...
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2019, 5:20 PM
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2019, 6:25 PM
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Hardly noticed the soccer field in that pic...
Its just the first one to open... the plans call for several more fields on all the surrounding gray area.

This one is temporary as this bloc is ultimately slated for a building, but the 2FM land across the street will eventually be remediated and turned into fields, hopefully with a better system than astroturf over concrete.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2019, 8:57 PM
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Well, all my criticism of LY has been disproved. Look at this beauty.
SB is fire.
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Its just the first one to open... the plans call for several more fields on all the surrounding gray area.

This one is temporary as this bloc is ultimately slated for a building, but the 2FM land across the street will eventually be remediated and turned into fields, hopefully with a better system than astroturf over concrete.
Agreed, no way I'd want to playing soccer on a field like that lol
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2019, 12:46 AM
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2019, 1:02 AM
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That is basically just adding the skyline of Phoenix (or any tier-3 city) to Chicago in a single development.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2019, 4:35 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ngs_in_Phoenix

Even more than that lol, tallest building there is only 40 floors. I'd say a safe comparison could be as big as Austin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Austin,_Texas) perhaps (less buildings overall of course)... It's really crazy. This plus the 78 is like adding two full Austins with better looking buildings (fingers crossed). If the upcoming economic downturn isn't too bad then I see no reason we can't have both built.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2019, 11:55 AM
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That is basically just adding the skyline of Phoenix (or any tier-3 city) to Chicago in a single development.
So?
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2019, 2:30 PM
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Why can't I see your picture? I can see other pictures on here.
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