CHICAGO: Transit Developments

[wierdaaron]

Streetsblog post about the work being done on Roosevelt

http://chi.streetsblog.org/2014/11/0...in-south-loop/

[CTA Gray Line]

The Museum Campus Transit Study "Idea Phase" ends Thursday Nov. 6th -- this is last chance to submit your "Ideas": http://www.civicartworks.com/project...opular&phase=1 The public is invited to use the Civic ArtWorks web
application to provide input, share ideas and consider project proposals.......

And the BGA is holding a Meeting on Wednesday Nov. 12th to discuss details of the new Museum: http://www.bettergov.org/whats_the_f..._lucas_museum/

And of then course (just for those who hadn't seen it yet) there is the new "Museum" itself:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...104-story.html

[CTA Gray Line]

http://chicago.curbed.com/archives/2...iew-voters.php

Yesterday, voters in the 20th, 36th and 38th precincts of the 44th Ward had a chance to make their voices
heard with a non-binding referendum asking if the CTA has justified the proposed Red-Purple Bypass project.......

[ardecila]

Interesting news byte today: former Federal Railroad Administration head (and Chicagoan) Joe Szabo is coming back to Chicago to work for CMAP. This gives CMAP a direct line into Washington that may help us secure funding for CREATE projects and other important rail stuff.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/artic...GS02/141109856

Of course, we can only secure grants if the Republicans set aside money for rail to begin with - odds are they will not only pull all high speed rail and most transit funding but also defund Amtrak even further. Then again, CREATE is nominally NOT an Amtrak or transit project but a freight rail investment and corporate handout, so maybe it passes the GOP litmus test.

[OrdoSeclorum]

Originally Posted by ardecila

Interesting news byte today: former Federal Railroad Administration head (and Chicagoan) Joe Szabo is coming back to Chicago to work for CMAP. This gives CMAP a direct line into Washington that may help us secure funding for CREATE projects and other important rail stuff.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/artic...GS02/141109856

Of course, we can only secure grants if the Republicans set aside money for rail to begin with - odds are they will not only pull all high speed rail and most transit funding but also defund Amtrak even further. Then again, CREATE is nominally NOT an Amtrak or transit project but a freight rail investment and corporate handout, so maybe it passes the GOP litmus test.

I think a non-negligible amount of Chicago transit stuff can be funded under the guise of CREATE. And CREATE helps people move oil and gas and the steel used to produce oil and gas. Republicans will support it because they'll get pressure from the cigar-chomping, monacle-wearing fat-cats who benefit. This is where Chicago depends on Mark Kirk now. Kirk is the kind of guy who can get kicked out of office pretty easily in Illinois. Doing some things that please the urban moderates who ride trains to Loop jobs and read boards like this can keep him in office.

[the urban politician]

^. Ironically, Chicago's ties to its suburbs via Metra benefit it's interests (or at least downtown's interests) politically. In that way, the GOP can't disregard train travel entirely

[Ch.G, Ch.G]

Originally Posted by OrdoSeclorum

I think a non-negligible amount of Chicago transit stuff can be funded under the guise of CREATE. And CREATE helps people move oil and gas and the steel used to produce oil and gas. Republicans will support it because they'll get pressure from the cigar-chomping, monacle-wearing fat-cats who benefit. This is where Chicago depends on Mark Kirk now. Kirk is the kind of guy who can get kicked out of office pretty easily in Illinois. Doing some things that please the urban moderates who ride trains to Loop jobs and read boards like this can keep him in office.

Good point. I believe he's up for reelection in 2016, too, and he'll probably be vulnerable.

[le_brew]

downtown chicago has subway/elevated train infrastructure and should utilize existing to its fullest potential. and we certainly are not, IMO.

building a new set of tracks in the streets (because its trendy in other cities with no other rapid transit) can introduce serious traffic snarl issues.

seattle for example had to re-think: http://www.citylab.com/commute/2014/...etcars/380603/

though outer neighborhoods, the clark street to downtown scenario, streetcars could make sense. there are also those sealed off tunnels under the river that one would think could be reconstructed for modern streetcars once entering downtown.

[CTA Gray Line]

Wednesday, November 12th, 4:30pm: Union League Club of Chicago

http://www.bettergov.org/whats_the_f..._lucas_museum/

Is building the Lucas Museum of Narrative Art on Chicago's lakefront a fait accompli? Many people may think so, but there are a lot of unanswered questions and crucial points that should be discussed before construction gets underway at the Museum Campus...........

Part of the discussion will of course focus on improving Public Transit to the area, and the ongoing Museum Campus Transportation Study;
I do plan to attend: http://www.civicartworks.com/project...opular&phase=1

[le_brew]

if the gray line were to be converted to a cta line as proposed, it would be the only stand alone route in the system, meaning you could not transfer directly to another cta rail line.

so, have you addressed the issues (at what location) where the gray line would possibly connect with the greater cta rail system?

[CTA Gray Line]

Originally Posted by le_brew

if the gray line were to be converted to a cta line as proposed, it would be the only stand alone route in the system, meaning you could not transfer directly to another cta rail line.

so, have you addressed the issues (at what location) where the gray line would possibly connect with the greater cta rail system?

http://www.grayline.20m.com/index_1.html

"Access and Transfer Information between the CTA Gray Line and ALL other CTA 'L' and Bus Services in Downtown Chicago:

ACCESS: Downtown at the Millennium Park Station Metra Electric/South Shore/Gray Line Terminal, the entrance on the SW corner of Randolph & Michigan is one short block from the CTA Loop 'L' Station at Randolph & Wabash (Orange, Green, Brown, Pink, and Purple Lines).

CTA's Red Line and Blue Line Subway Routes are accessible Downtown from Millennium Park Station through the ADA Compliant Underground Pedway System.

The Metra Electric's Van Buren St. Station's ADA Compliant Van Buren & Michigan entrances are 2 blocks from the ADA Compliant CTA Harold Washington Library/State & Van Buren 'L' Station; and the adjacent ADA Compliant CTA Red Line Jackson Blvd. Subway Station. Additionally the Van Buren St. Station's Jackson Blvd. entrance is 2 blocks from the CTA Adams & Wabash Loop 'L' Station.



TRANSFERS: Presently at the State & Lake, and Harold Washington Library/State & Van Buren Stations transfers for riders connecting between CTA 'L' Lines and adjacent CTA Subway Lines are accomplished via the street using a valid CTA Fare Instrument (Ventra Card or Pass, etc.)

An additional Fare or Transfer is NOT deducted if connecting within 2 hours of initial boarding of a Rapid Transit ('L') Line - thus granting a FREE transfer between 'L' Lines without having an actual physical paid-fare connection like the tunnel between the Red/Green/Orange Lines at Roosevelt Rd.

The same procedures would allow FREE Transfers between the CTA Gray Line and ALL other CTA 'L' and Bus Services in Downtown Chicago".

[le_brew]

i would want to see a thompson center type of transfer which did not require walking a block or two (hell, my knees are bad) or bus transfer. a short extension of existing "l" or subway infrastructure could accomplish that.

couple of options would probably not be too dramatic (expensive): extend lake st "l" east; create a state str. subway east branch as i posted before.

[CTA Gray Line]

Originally Posted by le_brew

i would want to see a thompson center type of transfer which did not require walking a block or two (hell, my knees are bad) or bus transfer. a short extension of existing "l" or subway infrastructure could accomplish that.

couple of options would probably not be too dramatic (expensive): extend lake st "l" east; create a state str. subway east branch as i posted before.

This is working with the infrastructure that presently exists, I would like to see direct Thompson Center type connections also -- but now we're talking Billions in NEW Construction. I never said the proposal was perfect, but the Gray Line is running TODAY; just under a different label, and operating formats.

[le_brew]

agree on the gray line, period.

remember that the cta completed an approx. mile long new subway tunnel in the early 90s to connect the dan ryan line to the state street subway.

it is not out of the question to create an east branch subway to connect at mccormick place and serve the campus, as well. and i don't think it would costs billions.

[CTA Gray Line]

Originally Posted by le_brew

agree on the gray line, period.

remember that the cta completed an approx. mile long new subway tunnel in the early 90s to connect the dan ryan line to the state street subway.

it is not out of the question to create an east branch subway to connect at mccormick place and serve the campus, as well. and i don't think it would costs billions.

I'm honestly not really sure myself, but any bore tunneling done today (it could N O T be built by cut-n-cover) does cost Billions-per-mile -- And that is a Fact!

What was the final cost of that Ryan Connector? (anybody know); also what is the present estimated cost of the Red Line Extension
(I really do need an answer to that question soon!)

[ardecila]

Howard-Dan Ryan Connector cost $187M in 1992 or $317M in 2014 dollars. The tunnel is about 0.7 miles long so the cost per mile is about $450M.

This cost assumes something close to the best-case scenario - you build the tunnel using the cut and cover method through an open field, with very little in the way of utility relocation. This is the sort of cost you would expect for suburban subways in low density areas like those in San Francisco, Atlanta, or Washington. A subway connector downtown would surely cost more.

A closer comparison is probably the only heavy rail subway projects in the US right now - the East Side Access, 7 Extension, and Second Ave Subway in New York. These have costs about $2B per mile. New York's experience suggests the potential for cost containment is not great - East Side Access is being built by Spanish firm Dragados, which is responsible for some of the most inexpensive subways in the world in Madrid and Barcelona.

[le_brew]

according to l.org:
CTA broke ground on the project to unite the Howard and Dan Ryan lines via a new subway connection. The project, which was budgeted at $142 million in '85 http://www.chicago-l.org/operations/lines/danryan.html

for a more recent short subway cost comparison, the central subway in SF:
Central Subway is $1.578 billion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Subway

chicago's had no station costs associated.

[J_M_Tungsten]

Odd question, but is there any place I can find good renders of the interchange project and the eventual re-structuring of the on/off ramps on 90/94 in the loop area? I feel like there are some pretty significant highway changes happening and I can never find good renders. The city website is not that high of quality or detail on transit imaging.

[ardecila]

Circle Interchange

Overall plan (page 2): http://www.circleinterchange.org/pdf...yer_100213.pdf

Landscape concept: http://www.site-design.com/projects/...e-interchange/

Unfortunately the overpasses and flyover structures will have a pretty standard, clunky appearance based on the construction drawings (which, like all IDOT projects, are posted online). Most renderings are carefully chosen to show a sleek appearance when the reality will be anything but.

[CTA Gray Line]

Originally Posted by CTA Gray Line

Wednesday, November 12th, 4:30pm: Union League Club of Chicago

http://www.bettergov.org/whats_the_f..._lucas_museum/

Is building the Lucas Museum of Narrative Art on Chicago's lakefront a fait accompli? Many people may think so, but there are a lot of unanswered questions and crucial points that should be discussed before construction gets underway at the Museum Campus...........

Part of the discussion will of course focus on improving Public Transit to the area, and the ongoing Museum Campus Transportation Study; I do plan to attend: http://www.civicartworks.com/project...opular&phase=1

Look at all the huge new construction coming into this area, including the very-close-by Lucas Museum site as seen in the pictures.
Read the comments about transporting all those needed Constuction Workers: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...107-story.html