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Old Posted May 25, 2023, 5:53 PM
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Cook County North Shore (Evanston and New Trier) are roughly equivalent to Southern Westchester. But Lake County is much newer.

Westchester, by 1930, had more than half of its current population. Lake County reached that stage by 1970.
Lake to Westchester isn't a great comparison. Westchester directly abuts NYC and contains all of the city's northern inner ring suburbia.

Lake county, on the other hand, doesn't even start until you're 10 miles north of Howard street (roughly the distance from the city limits edge of the Bronx up to white plains), putting the VAST bulk of Chicago's northern inner ring suburbia in cook county, so it's not surprising at all that lake county took a lot longer to fill up with people.




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Railroad suburbs had very old neighborhoods in walking distance to the train station. But further out it was still country. Wilmette near the train station is very old, but West Wilmette is fully postwar and built around the auto. West Wilmette was probably farmland/woods with rural services until the postwar decades. Households had one car and women didn't drive so you generally had to be walking distance to train and shops/amenities.
Well yeah, up until the '50s west Wilmette was still all farmland tilled by the original 19th century German settlers to the area (the name "New Trier" certainly didn't originate from the waspy elites who came to dominate the northshore in the early 20th), but as I mentioned before, east Wilmette and the other lakefront northshore burbs along the commuter rail line were not "the country" anymore in the 1920s. They were exploding with development in one of the first deep suburban penetrations out from the city into the hinterland, swelling to a total population of 120K by the close of the decade (that figure is not small potatoes for pre-war suburbia in the US).

Because chicago's first wave of suburbanization occurred before the automobile completely took over everything, it happened in thin corridors along the commuter rail lines, not in the more familiar concentric ring pattern seen in the post-war era.



Funny aside, believe it or not, there was actually one small family-owned farm in west Wilmette that held on all the way into the 1980s. One of my childhood friend's house backed up to it, and we used to hop the fence and play in the field as kids until it all got sold to a developer in like 1985 who of course turned it into cul-de-sacs and houses.
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I also did Toronto in 1921.

There really wasn't much north of St. Clair Avenue at the time. Social Register residents were mostly in the Annex, Rosedale, Deer Park and the "hill district" around Casa Loma. That's the closest-in part of the favored quarter today.

The Annex saw rich flight in the 1920s and it's always been a more mixed area. The areas that came later were more homogenously wealthy.

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From the encyclopedia of Chicago:

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Neighborhood in the Near North Side Community Area. “Gold Coast” refers to a stretch of expensive lakefront property occupied by the city's wealthiest residents. Because it was isolated from the downtown business district, only a few wealthy families, including the Cyrus McCormicks, the Potter Palmers, and the Joseph T. Ryersons, lived here before the construction of the Michigan Avenue Bridge in 1920.

The opening of the bridge brought the development of Michigan Avenue as a luxury shopping district. A new architectural form, the luxury apartment building, sprang up in the area, dispelling fears that apartment dwellers had to be poor. Some of Chicago's elite took up residence in new residential hotels such as the Drake. The district became the heart of the upper crust of Chicago society. Sociologist Harvey Warren Zorbaugh, who claimed that college boys returning from the East Coast dubbed the area the “Gold Coast,” immortalized it in The Gold Coast and the Slum. The density of wealth in the Gold Coast buffered it against the deterioration that threatened other portions of the North Side in the 1950s. Developer Arthur Rubloff's projects, particularly the revitalization of the Magnificent Mile and Sandburg Village, sparked a new round of investment that protected the Gold Coast through the end of the twentieth century.
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Hyde Park (I think) had some wealth as well.
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i cant think of any wealth concentration in the city of cle proper historically or certainly today after the grand euclid avenue millionaire’s row era ended (1860s-1920s).
How about out in Edgewater by the Lakewood border?
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2024, 2:31 AM
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Looks like the Irish out-WASPed the WASPs?

From the 2020 Census:

Wellesley, Mass.

Irish 6,434 21.7%
English 5,258 17.8%
Italian 3,084 10.4%

New Canaan, Conn.

Irish 1,367 22%
English 1,187 19.1%
Italian 1,100 17.7%
German 916 14.7%

Rye, N.Y.

Irish 4,199 25.3%
English 2,809 16.9%
Italian 2,792 16.8%
German 2,474 14.9%

Bronxville, N.Y.

Irish 1,963 29.4%
English 1,242 18.7%
German 1,060 15.9%
Italian 1,034 15.5%

Winnetka, Ill.

Irish 3,969 31.8%
German 3,782 30.3%
English 3,010 24.1%
Italian 1,183 9.5%
Polish 848 6.8%
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Could you run Darien, if you have a chance? Darien is frequently stereotyped as a WASP remnant.
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In Portland? All of them. West Hills, Laurelhurst, Ladds Addition, Eastmoreland, Irvington, Riverview, Dunthorpe. There's a lot of money in this town
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Odd. Doesn't seem to let me run the town of Darien, but it does let run Darien Downtown CDP (which is very small).

Darien Downtown

Irish 26.6%
English 19.2%
German 17.3%
Italian 17.2%

And here's Old Greenwich

Irish 21.2%
English 20%
German 15.5%
Italian 14.4%
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It seems to me that the Irish American population in the New York and Boston areas is pretty UMC, and obviously their presence goes way back. Irish ancestry is common among the generic UMC suburbanite in the Northeast. So it makes sense they'd be well represented in establishmentarian suburbs.

I remember reading some material from the 1970s showing that Irish Catholics were the most affluent and educated non-Jewish white group. Makes sense given that they disproportionately lived in the Northeast and by that point they were well-established..
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Very strange. So the 2020 census ethnicity data (which dropped the "American" option) is available for places (cities, towns, villages, CDPs) but not county subdivisions (towns/townships). Furthermore not all CDPs seem to be available either.

The ACS is available for ancestry, which retained the "American" option.

Just for comparison, Rye NY:

2020 Census ethnicity:

Irish alone or in combination 4,199
English alone or in combination 2,809
Italian alone or in combination 2,792
German alone or in combination 2,494

2022 ACS:

Irish 3,270
Italian 2,033
German 1,838
English 1,302
American 647
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New York State, 2020 Census

Irish 2,503,501
Italian 2,298,495
German 2,026,546
English 1,641,789

New York State, 2022 ACS

Italian 2,145,621
Irish 2,031,385
German 1,694,924
English 1,092,717
American 833,103
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Some affluent NJ towns:

Glen Ridge

Irish 2,102 27.9%
German 1,554 20.6%
Italian 1,413 18.8%
English 1,345 17.9%

Summit

Irish 4,874 21.5%
Italian 3,514 15.5%
German 3,405 15%
English 3,205 14.1%

Westfield

Irish 7,659 24.9%
Italian 6,660 21.7%
German 5,029 16.4%
English 3,672 11.9%
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