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Old Posted Oct 9, 2014, 12:38 AM
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Wow, I'm impressed. Who knew anyone could raise that much money for a private passenger rail project - especially in the USA? This doesn't change the project much, but it certainl does change the "narrative" - as in now this is so much less of a political issue. And who knows? Maybe some other group might be hoping to raise capital for their own passenger rail service, and this will set some sort of precident? Or at least encouragement to keep trying? (I'm thinking specifically of the LA/LV corridor.)
I guess I have to say it again: The more I learn about this project, the more I love it.
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go AAF

still voting for Charlie Christ.
Yeah! Vote him now! Go for it!
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2014, 9:18 AM
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good news about AAF they must have good people managing this stuff
ABOUT this LOAN thing
maybe just wait till early 2015 and see who wins the election
and get new loan for the expansion to Jacksonville
this loan thing is stupid the Govt spends billions on roads and highways
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Massive MiamiCentral train station would be a new urban hub downtown

Read More: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...le2538964.html

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It might be the biggest thing to happen in downtown Miami since Henry Flagler brought his railroad south and created downtown Miami. And it’s happening sooner than you might think, on the same long-vacant acreage where Flagler built his little Miami train depot more than a century ago.

- MiamiCentral, the name chosen for the complex by All Aboard Florida, represents an ambitious and unusual all-at-once marriage of heavy infrastructure with urban revitalization that would turn a drab stretch of downtown into a bustling fulcrum of transportation and human activity — including a food market, shops, restaurants, offices and two residential towers with that increasingly rare commodity, 800 rental apartments affordable to people who work in the neighborhood.

- The station architecture, by Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, designers of the new One World Trade Center tower and the Time Warner Center in Manhattan, in collaboration with Zyscovich Architects of Miami, is still being refined. But the architects want to suspend the three towers on columns over the train platform. All Aboard is also in talks with developers of a planned hotel and exposition center next door on the site of the old Miami Arena to hook the two up with some kind of elevated walkway. That would allow conventioneers to take Metrorail from Miami International Airport, or All Aboard from Orlando, West Palm Beach or Fort Lauderdale, and dispense with a car, Reininger said.

- Because it’s Miami, where most people will still rely on cars to get around, MiamiCentral also accommodates substantial parking. Garages for the residential towers will be integrated into the station structure. The main station parking, with 1,800 spots, will be a block away at 700 MiamiCentral, which All Aboard is developing under a deal with the city’s Community Redevelopment Agency for Overtown. The train platform would be elevated 50 feet above street level, in part to allow Northwest Fifth and Sixth Streets, major east-west connectors, to remain open beneath the station. But those through-ways would not be dark tunnels. Natural light will pour down through openings in the platform, Reininger said.

- The train platform would be elevated 50 feet above street level, in part to allow Northwest Fifth and Sixth Streets, major east-west connectors, to remain open beneath the station. But those through-ways would not be dark tunnels. Natural light will pour down through openings in the platform, Reininger said. --- The station architecture, by Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, designers of the new One World Trade Center tower and the Time Warner Center in Manhattan, is still being refined. But the architects want to suspend the three towers on columns over the train platform.

- The two retail floors at the base of the complex would be enclosed in glass, brightly transparent and fully accessible from the street, a design that county reviewers praised in their analysis. --- “It’s what you’d expect to see in a vibrant downtown,” Reininger said. “Because of where it is, it needs to be a beautiful work of civic infrastructure. It’s going to be an iconic, photogenic place.”

- County reviewers have some issues, documents show. Transit officials want a definitive commitment and clear designs from All Aboard for the Metrorail and Metromover connections, both elevated and at ground level, in particular along Sixth Street, which will be the link between the main station complext and the Overtown project. --- Planners say the site plans also don’t do enough to make sidewalks around the station welcoming to pedestrians, and they’re requiring a greater amount and variety of greenery, including shade trees, on its perimeter.

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Old Posted Oct 10, 2014, 9:14 PM
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^ "Transit officials want a definitive commitment and clear designs from All Aboard for the Metrorail and Metromover connections, both elevated and at ground level, in particular along Sixth Street, which will be the link between the main station complext and the Overtown project."

This is probably one of the most important parts of the project which is having passengers disembark from a AAF train and walk across the street to connect with Metrorail & Metromover to get around Miami.
As the article said this will transform the western edge of downtown Miami along with the massive Miami World Center project immediately to the station's east.
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2014, 9:15 PM
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What about Tri-Rail ??
I thought it was official that tri-rail was expanding
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^Tri-Rail is wanting to expand to a second commuter line that would run on the AAF train tracks & be called Tri-Rail Coastal link which would run farther to the east and serve all of major downtown areas in W. Palm Beach, Ft. Lauderdale & Miami.
The problem is funding for this second commuter line. It would cost between $720-$800 Million to start this second line.
In addition, if Governor Rick Scott is re-elected he has told the current Tri-Rail system that he will cut off all funding after 2017 for the commuter rail line which means the possible end of Tri-Rail as we know it after 25 years of service.

More info on Coastal Link :http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/201...s-second-track
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So it looks like they are building 4 tracks at this station when theoretically they would only need two... does this mean they are anticipating TRI-rail service in the future, or are they serious about the Jacksonville segment? I think it is interesting they appear to be building all 4 all at once, rather than doing it in phases.
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good news about AAF they must have good people managing this stuff
ABOUT this LOAN thing
maybe just wait till early 2015 and see who wins the election
and get new loan for the expansion to Jacksonville
this loan thing is stupid the Govt spends billions on roads and highways
How about St. Augustine, FL? They won't be in JAX. JAX is too far away from there. They want to go to St. Augustine. Can they consider it?
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2014, 3:10 AM
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How about St. Augustine, FL? They won't be in JAX. JAX is too far away from there. They want to go to St. Augustine. Can they consider it?
JACKSONVILLE - have you seen there Union Station ???
also lots of cheap land and parking lots nearby
plus the Metro Mover thing , expand the convention center
and guess where AAF FEC railroad has there headquarters???
Jacksonville plus Daytona beach plus maybe 2 more stops
not 16/16 trains north/south maybe 8/8
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So it looks like they are building 4 tracks at this station when theoretically they would only need two... does this mean they are anticipating TRI-rail service in the future, or are they serious about the Jacksonville segment? I think it is interesting they appear to be building all 4 all at once, rather than doing it in phases.
They're building the entire downtown Miami station at once. They're planning on having tenants, do you really expect tenants would like never ending station construction?

As I read the EIS, they will build 2 side platforms with just 2 tracks for AAF, and 1 island and 1 side platforms with 3 tracks for TriRail.
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They're building the entire downtown Miami station at once. They're planning on having tenants, do you really expect tenants would like never ending station construction?

As I read the EIS, they will build 2 side platforms with just 2 tracks for AAF, and 1 island and 1 side platforms with 3 tracks for TriRail.
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nice post/link thanks
I saw the complete plans for the Miami station on the exmiami.com
website or maybe it was curbed.miami VERY smart design
the sun sentinel said that tri-rail was a done deal to expand
but not sure if that is official , WHO knows until after the election.
THE Jacksonville trains do NOT go to Miami/ they stop at Orlando.
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Very cool. the 3 + 2 track layout makes sense, especially when platform heights are considered. Thanks for posting. But, Eleven 11, why wouldn't Jacksoneville trains go to miami? It would be a shame if AAF forced Miami-Jacksonville passengers to transfer.
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^ That is because there is no passenger rail service at all from Jacksonville to Miami. Currently only freight trains travel between both cities & depending on how successful AAF is there are future plans to connect to Jacksonville but that is years away at this point. Besides Jax is a small non-tourist market to begin with.
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This is a good development for Florida. Sorry, I'm late to the party here. Anyway, I have a question. How many hours does the new service cut from the current Amtrak service between miami and orlando?

If this succeeds, I want to see more and more privatization of railroads going on in the US to increase service and speeds for passengers.

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Old Posted Oct 12, 2014, 6:19 AM
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If this succeeds, I want to see more and more privatization of railroads going on in the US to increase service and speeds for passengers.

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why don't we make 911/police private?
if your house is on fire they need a credit card first
AAF is great will be a rare example of private rail.
most good/great train transportation do not make a profit.
but provide relief to over used roads
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Old Posted Oct 12, 2014, 10:45 AM
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Very cool. the 3 + 2 track layout makes sense, especially when platform heights are considered. Thanks for posting. But, Eleven 11, why wouldn't Jacksoneville trains go to miami? It would be a shame if AAF forced Miami-Jacksonville passengers to transfer.
look I know Jacksonville is not as sexy as Miami and will never come
close to Miami, but it has the perfect Union Station and FEC owns the tracks.
there headquarters is nearby, build some new condos and hotels and retail
get the city to pay for a new bigger convention center...
I lived in Jacksonville briefly 20 years ago when downtown was very bad
but lots of people will pay to ride a train to Orlando/airport/Disney
don't need the 32 trains going to Miami (16 south 16 north)
just 8/8 with stops in Daytona beach plus 2 or 3 more.
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I was hoping that (when everything is built out) they would do something like have 8 of the 16 northbounds from Miami go through Orlando and on to Tampa, while the other 8 would go to Orlando, switch operating ends, head back to the FEC mainline and continue north to Jacksonville. That way Tampa and Jacksonville get 1/2 the service of the Miami-Orlando leg without increasing traffic on that leg. Also, all trains stop at Orlando. Then maybe a shorter consist of 4-5 cars (instead of 7-9) would run 8 times a day between Tampa and Jacksonville via Orlando, meaning 16 departures from all terminals.
This way there would never need to be any transfers.
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cant wait for updates on the Orlando station/garage
plus maybe a hotel & SunRail / Maglev to convention center/Disney

8 trains - Miami / Orlando / Jacksonville
8 trains - Miami / Orlando / Tampa
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