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[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

I have not been to Minneapolis in 25 years, but I recall traffic was really bad, especially going through the inner city or downtown.

Was in Mpls/St. Paul in October, traffic was a breeze, you can mover around the city approaching 4M faster than you can in Winnipeg!

[1ajs]

wait this is for sale?
https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/2...in-st-winnipeg

[WinCitySparky]

Yes they are shutting it down, was in the newsmedia a few weeks back.

[OTA in Winnipeg]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

I have not been to Minneapolis in 25 years, but I recall traffic was really bad, especially going through the inner city or downtown.

I was there in the middle of 2009. They were in the middle of a major reconstruction of their roads and freeways. They called it "unweaving the weave" IIRC.

[bomberjet]

Sals will eventually be out of business. They shutdown the old location on Ellice a few years back. It was still original style diner in there.

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

As for freeways, just look at some major US cities, like LA, which arguably has the most elaborate freeway system in the World, yet has some of the worst traffic problems anywhere in the World.

LA freeways made absolutely no sense. You are driving along and all the sudden it comes to the complete standstill for a few miles. You would think an accident or something but no, absolutely no explanation on why there was a major slow down and it was consistent enough of an issue to not just be something random that was happening.

Also seen similar situations in other cities where there is an event an lots of traffic exiting for example causing traffic to backup but that wasn't the case in LA.

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

Kenaston is just baffling in general.

The original design for Route 90/Kenaston was to be a limited access road and the western part of the inner ring road. So yeah how the whole of Route 90 was allowed to develop is truly baffling.

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by CoryB

LA freeways made absolutely no sense. You are driving along and all the sudden it comes to the complete standstill for a few miles. You would think an accident or something but no, absolutely no explanation on why there was a major slow down and it was consistent enough of an issue to not just be something random that was happening.

Also seen similar situations in other cities where there is an event an lots of traffic exiting for example causing traffic to backup but that wasn't the case in LA.




The original design for Route 90/Kenaston was to be a limited access road and the western part of the inner ring road. So yeah how the whole of Route 90 was allowed to develop is truly baffling.

They're already gonna be carving the area up for whenever they do the expansion of it, may as well implement limited access. first leg could be from Bishop to Ness. Then the real logistics challenge would be Ness to the Perimeter, that whole area is a mess. Doable but hard. The whole of route 90 should really be limited access, same with Lag, Bishop and CPT.

So obvious, yet somehow we can't seem to wrap our minds around that...

[Winnipegger]

Originally Posted by CoryB

The original design for Route 90/Kenaston was to be a limited access road and the western part of the inner ring road. So yeah how the whole of Route 90 was allowed to develop is truly baffling.

At least for the part south of Taylor, the Keneston nightmare was the result of a city starving and eager to approve and accommodate any and all development in an area with high developer interest, without having sufficient revenue (and political will) to properly accommodate that development safely and efficiently.

In a normal city, property taxes would be substantially higher and new development would be charged a fee to help pay for area in infrastructure. In Winnipeg, these things go against the thriftiness-at-all-cost mentality so common among voters and municipal politicians, so we get Ikea, a massive outlet mall, two dozen restaurants, thousands of single family homes, hundreds of condos/apartments, gas stations, Costco, three hardware stores, and several department stores that generate 60,000 cars per day, all jam packed alongside a single four lane road with oversized and over congested intersections.

But yeah, slap up a couple "high collision intersection" signs and call it a day. What an absolute joke, but hey, at least we have an Ikea.

[esquire]

^ Much like Lagimodiere between Reenders and Marion, I don't understand why Kenaston from Scurfield to Taylor isn't a solid six lanes of through traffic. The commitment to maintaining four lanes maximum on so many major routes verges on the absurd... it's like if the 5th and 6th lanes weren't added prior to the creation of unicity, then it is never happening.

[drew]

I don't give a rip about traffic. You can too! There is a nice house for sale on my street in Wolseley.

Have your middle class lifestyle and kiss your traffic worries away*!

(*Except driving to Bomber games. That still sucks).

[esquire]

Originally Posted by drew

I don't give a rip about traffic. You can too! There is a nice house for sale on my street in Wolseley.

Have your middle class lifestyle and kiss your traffic worries away*!

(*Except driving to Bomber games. That still sucks).

I don't have to deal with it as a commuting route, I avoid it as best I can. To the point where I specifically resisted living in those areas near Kenaston so I wouldn't have to use it on the regular.

Since you mentioned Bomber games, my 9 year old and I can hop on our bikes and make it home from the game in under 15 minutes. So there are some advantages to suburbia

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by optimusREIM

They're already gonna be carving the area up for whenever they do the expansion of it, may as well implement limited access. first leg could be from Bishop to Ness. Then the real logistics challenge would be Ness to the Perimeter, that whole area is a mess. Doable but hard. The whole of route 90 should really be limited access, same with Lag, Bishop and CPT.

So obvious, yet somehow we can't seem to wrap our minds around that...

Legitimately if you go on the assumption the widening of Kennaston from Portage to Grant is going to clean up that area and the area between Grant and Bishop could be addressed with some service roads and say 3-4 diamonds that still leaves Silver to Logan and there is no easy way to clean up that part. Logan to the Perimeter is actually not that bad for the most part. There are a few places to clean up but it pales compared to the other issues. Even in the best case scenarios currently Route 90 from Inkster to the Perimeter is still on the inner ring road network although it is likely north of Inkster once CPT comes through as it will be one of the inner to outer ring limited access roads.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by CoryB

The original design for Route 90/Kenaston was to be a limited access road and the western part of the inner ring road. So yeah how the whole of Route 90 was allowed to develop is truly baffling.

Kenaston was never going to be the Western part of the Inner ring road.





This is the current plan, but the original Inner city beltway called for the highway only at Kenaston from Bishop Grandin to just north of the rail lines after Kenaston Crossing area. From there, it would have turned west, before bending north to the current Charleswood Parkway. They have tweaked the road, deviating from the original plan in Transcona (there was a natural corridor that has since been filled in with residential housing in the last 15 years), and also near Brookside Blvd. It was originally supposed to meet up, rather than divert to Inkster.

[WinCitySparky]

Take it to the Roads thread

[Hockey]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

Kenaston was never going to be the Western part of the Inner ring road.





This is the current plan, but the original Inner city beltway called for the highway only at Kenaston from Bishop Grandin to just north of the rail lines after Kenaston Crossing area. From there, it would have turned west, before bending north to the current Charleswood Parkway. They have tweaked the road, deviating from the original plan in Transcona (there was a natural corridor that has since been filled in with residential housing in the last 15 years), and also near Brookside Blvd. It was originally supposed to meet up, rather than divert to Inkster.

That map needs a YELLOW highlight over route 90 from Grandin to the South Perimeter where the St.Norbert bypass is planned (unfunded). Probably a YELLOW highlight over route 90 again to the North Perimeter. Just like access to the Perimeter in the east and west sides is highlighted/dotted.

[anthonyk]

Anyone else think that they should connect CPT directly to CCW?

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by anthonyk

anyone else think that they should connect cpt directly to ccw?

100%

[anthonyk]

Also, saw this from the wedding show at the convention center.

[WinCitySparky]

Originally Posted by anthonyk

Also, saw this from the wedding show at the convention center.

Nice!

[esquire]

^ Always nice to see buildings growing a couple more storeys.

As far as the western leg of the beltway goes, it's unfortunate that there is no decent right of way from Portage to Silver. Just a 50 km/h residential street like Moray, so we can repeat all the mistakes of Kenaston Blvd through River Heights, but just a few kilometres west.