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Old Posted Feb 10, 2023, 4:51 PM
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Just looked at the NYT 2020 election map of north and central Brooklyn. It's pretty fascinating how the Hasidic dominated blocks in South Williamsburg, northern Bed-Stuy, and central Crown Heights show up so clearly, but especially the area in South W'burg/north Bed-Stuy.

Within a 1-mile radius of the center of the South W'burg/north Bed-Stuy is one of the most socially, ethnically and economically diverse places in the country, if not the world. There will be multi-millionaires, celebrities, people below the poverty line, people born on just about every continent, people born in every decade since 1900, transgender, cisgender, straight, gay, bi, but the only discernible difference from the map are the areas where the Hasidic people are concentrated lol.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ction-map.html

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Old Posted Feb 10, 2023, 5:28 PM
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Just looked at the NYT 2020 election map of north and central Brooklyn. It's pretty fascinating how clearly the Hasidic dominated blocks in South Williamsburg, northern Bed-Stuy, and central Crown Heights show up so clearly, but especially the area in South W'burg/north Bed-Stuy.

Within a 1-mile radius of the center of the South W'burg/north Bed-Stuy is one of the most socially, ethnically and economically diverse places in the country, if not the world. There will be multi-millionaires, celebrities, people below the poverty line, people born on just about every continent, people born in every decade since 1900, transgender, cisgender, straight, gay, bi, but the only discernible difference from the map are the areas where the Hasidic people are concentrated lol.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ction-map.html
There are also variations with the various sects of Hasidism.

As you can see, the Lubavitch are the most modern (and typically the most educated). They live in Crown Heights south of Eastern Parkway.

The Satmars live in South Williamsburg and Boro Park.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2023, 5:31 PM
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There are also variations with the various sects of Hasidism.

As you can see, the Lubavitch are the most modern (and typically the most educated). They live in Crown Heights south of Eastern Parkway.

The Satmars live in South Williamsburg and Boro Park.
I wasn't sure if the less pronounced Trump support in Crown Heights was due to that or because the census tracts were more likely to be mixed than in S. W'burg/N. Bed-Stuy. But yes, the Crown Heights concentration does seem a little less fundamentalist than the W'burg group.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2023, 6:29 PM
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A few precincts in Chicago around 70% in two areas: Mount Greenwood (cops) and Rogers Park (Orthodox Jews).

And also the precinct that includes O'Hare Airport for some reason (Polish immigrants?)
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2023, 6:32 PM
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The Crown Heights Orthodox population has little in common with the Williamsburg/Bed Stuy Orthodox population. There are significant religious and cultural differences, and the Williamsburg population is much more insular.

I'm pretty sure that almost all Orthodox communities in the tri-state were heavily Trumpy in 2020 and 2022, however. Maybe some Modern Orthodox places, such as Riverdale (Bronx) and Englewood-Teaneck (NJ) were exceptions.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2023, 6:39 PM
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Yeah, there's a difference between the Orthodox neighborhoods which vote Trumpy because that's social norm, and the ones that do because the Rabbi just tells everyone who to vote for and they act in lockstep.

Note that some of the 90% Trump areas can vote for local Democrats with 90%+ of the vote too. It's purely transactional voting, if you win over the community.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2023, 6:42 PM
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The Crown Heights Orthodox population has little in common with the Williamsburg/Bed Stuy Orthodox population. There are significant religious and cultural differences, and the Williamsburg population is much more insular.

I'm pretty sure that almost all Orthodox communities in the tri-state were heavily Trumpy in 2020 and 2022, however. Maybe some Modern Orthodox places, such as Riverdale (Bronx) and Englewood-Teaneck (NJ) were exceptions.

^ so post your links and show us.

i would say all orthodox areas were always conservative and went heavily trumpy.

and its not restricted to urban jewish ‘orthodox’ either, ie., rural holmes county ohio was 83% for trump. he got the amish vote by leaps and bounds. i imagine the same in penn.

all the hardcore religious go conservative republican and went trump.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2023, 7:04 PM
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all the hardcore religious go conservative republican and went trump.
Orthodox Jews have almost always voted Dem, and still do for most local races. It's transactional voting.

I don't believe the Amish vote in large numbers.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2023, 7:06 PM
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A few precincts in Chicago around 70% in two areas: Mount Greenwood (cops) and Rogers Park (Orthodox Jews).

And also the precinct that includes O'Hare Airport for some reason (Polish immigrants?)
that ORD precint is weird. there's only 1 tiny little section of it that is residential, up in the far NE corner, and it's entirely a gated community in suburban Rosement, not the City of Chicago.

for some reason though, that little slice of rosement gets attached to the gigantic ORD precint, which IS in chicago proper, making it look there's this huge red 13 sq. mile blob, when in reality it's only like 800 paranoid weirdos living in a suburban gated community turning the entire uninhabitted airport precinct red.


as for the other two very conservative precints within city limits, you are entirely correct. the one 70+ red precint in west ridge is because of orthodox jews and the three 70+ precincts down in mount greenwood are because of cops and firemen.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2023, 9:09 PM
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Pittsburgh, despite having a big working-class white contingent, only had nine precincts Trump won in 2020.* All of these are in the southern reaches of the city, which is the whitest and most conservative.

One in the furthest south portion of Banksville, which is a very suburban area. Trump won this area by around 4%.

Two out of the three precincts of Overbrook, an outer-ring neighborhood. Both went Trump by around 10%. This is also a fairly suburban area.

The remainder are entirely within the "31st Ward." A weird semi exclave of Pittsburgh, technically cut off from the remainder of the city save for a link over the Glenwood Bridge to Hazelwood. This area includes:

Hays - a weird, nearly dead rural neighborhood with only a few hundred residents.

New Homestead - which is an odd mix of a small, half black/half white rural neighborhood (which is the sole D precinct and Gates Manor, a little bit of suburb in the city which isn't even connected to the city road grid and has its own McMansion development (most right-wing part of the city by far - cop neighborhood).

The last and largest is Lincoln Place, basically a suburb that agreed to be annexed by the city around a century ago because the suburb it was within (West Mifflin) wouldn't build them an elementary school, while Pittsburgh would. The neighborhood became known for virulent racism to the point that still around 15 years ago, when an African immigrant closed on a house there, someone in the neighborhood burned it down before he could move in. Lovely place.

*note, PA is a "tiny precinct" state. All of these had 300-900 voters.
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For whatever reason Dov Hikind was a Democrat - and a former member of the JDL! I'm pretty sure he hasn't supported Democratic presidential candidates in the post-9/11 era though.
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Old Posted Feb 11, 2023, 12:47 AM
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For whatever reason Dov Hikind was a Democrat - and a former member of the JDL! I'm pretty sure he hasn't supported Democratic presidential candidates in the post-9/11 era though.
I believe all the heavily Orthodox neighborhoods in Brooklyn still have Dem local representation. So NYC City Council, State Assembly and Senate, and U.S. House. All were deep red for POTUS and Governor, however.

The former Soviet neighborhoods have now shifted, however. In the last election, they went GOP for local representation for city, state and national seats. Brighton Beach now has a pretty Trumpy Republican City Councilperson. Probably the first time in history that area had GOP representation.
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Old Posted Feb 11, 2023, 4:39 PM
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S. Wburg/N. Bed-Stuy and central Crown Heights are easily identifiable on that map as well even though the results were more even than the presidential race.
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Old Posted Feb 11, 2023, 10:16 PM
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Looking at that map, it's highly likely that Asians either didn't vote, or shifted more GOP. There are majority Asian districts that went GOP. Yes, the Asian population is newer, younger and usually not a majority of district voters (yet). But their numbers are too great in Northeast Queens and South Brooklyn to not have something going on there. There probably aren't enough Italian grannies in Bensonhurst and Irish or Jewish grannies in Bayside to flip those areas anymore. Likely rhetoric around schools, cops and maybe "socialism".

Correction - Looking at the pathetic general election turnout, it could just be that Dems didn't vote. The voting numbers are atrocious. A few angry grannies could flip a district.
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Old Posted Feb 11, 2023, 10:26 PM
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Also, the map shows that Orthodox Jews still went overwhelmingly Dem for NYC Mayor. Probably transactional voting. This is even true in areas that went 90% for Trump. Everywhere from Ultra Orthodox Williamsburg to Modern Orthodox Far Rockaway went Dem.

Former Soviet areas and the remaining white ethnic areas went overwhelmingly GOP. The few that went Dem, like Bay Ridge, now have a professional crowd culturally closer to the Manhattan-Brownstone Brooklyn gentrified areas.
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Old Posted Feb 12, 2023, 4:39 PM
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Also, the map shows that Orthodox Jews still went overwhelmingly Dem for NYC Mayor. Probably transactional voting. This is even true in areas that went 90% for Trump. Everywhere from Ultra Orthodox Williamsburg to Modern Orthodox Far Rockaway went Dem.
Because they don't like Curtis Sliwa:

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Republican mayoral nominee Curtis Sliwa made bigoted generalizations about Jews in a 2018 videotaped rant in which he accused the ultra-orthodox community in New York of making “babies like there’s no tomorrow,” not voting “the way normal Americans vote” and being abusers of welfare.

At the time, Sliwa said the Reform Party, which he headed, would only endorse candidates who agreed to oppose “the bloc” — which he identified as the ultra-orthodox leadership and their followers.

“We’re not talking about poor, impoverished, disabled people who need help. We’re talking about able-bodied men who study Torah and Talmud all day and we subsidize them,” Sliwa said in the Oct. 25, 2018 videotaped meeting in the Hudson Valley where he spoke for more than an hour.

“And then all they do is make babies like there’s no tomorrow and who’s subsidizing that? We are.

https://nypost.com/2021/06/25/gop-ma...t-video-shows/
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2023, 7:19 PM
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Orthodox Jews have almost always voted Dem, and still do for most local races. It's transactional voting.

I don't believe the Amish vote in large numbers.

not true about orthodox and hasidic in nyc. they always vote conservative. going back to bush's and trump.

and as for amish fyi holmes county is all amish and they vote similar.

its conservative religious transactional voting, not as random as you think.
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So JM Keynes has been banned. Thank you!
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