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Old Posted Jun 13, 2021, 1:11 PM
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Will this whole stretch be covered with decking and landscaped? If so, that will be AMAZING!



Yeah I was just thinking how cool that would be, especially if it connected to the Riveralk in multiple place,s but I'm guessing it's way too expensive.
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Will this whole stretch be covered with decking and landscaped? If so, that will be AMAZING!



Nope, just what you see here. The city would need to step up and pay for any extensions, but if they're building deck parks there are like 20 better locations where they would be useful to the public instead of a few hundred wealthy condo dwellers...
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2021, 1:54 PM
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Nope, just what you see here. The city would need to step up and pay for any extensions, but if they're building deck parks there are like 20 better locations where they would be useful to the public instead of a few hundred wealthy condo dwellers...
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2021, 8:52 PM
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2021, 3:06 PM
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Great shots! Is the hotel open?
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2021, 4:11 PM
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It's amazing to think that not so long ago this was nothing but a massive concrete skeleton.
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Great shots! Is the hotel open?
Not yet, work is ongoing for the hotel build-out. Unsure of when it's supposed to open, nor have we seen any updated renderings..
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Old Posted Jul 14, 2021, 2:33 AM
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When do we suppose they will get rid of all those ropes hanging from the top?
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Old Posted Jul 14, 2021, 4:09 PM
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When do we suppose they will get rid of all those ropes hanging from the top?
Good question - my dad and i were touring it a couple weeks ago..we chatted up the window washers for a bit. They work 7 days a week, weather permitting. The ropes will always be present unless retrieved fully for extended periods of bad weather. It was a shockingly manual system - two guys acting as sway anchors on the ground, and two cleaning windows. Their platform is left sitting on the edge of the street at the end of the day........hard to believe this is the permanent solution?
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I said it a long time ago here about how it would be difficult to wash these windows. I guess now we know the solution....and it kinda sucks if they are gonna leave those up there all the time.
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I said it a long time ago here about how it would be difficult to wash these windows. I guess now we know the solution....and it kinda sucks if they are gonna leave those up there all the time.
Don't they usually rotate/spin back to the roofside when not in use? Maybe we'll see that after construction has been done for a little while
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^^^If that is the permanent solution, it would not be consistent with OSHA standards (which I believe are also reflected in building codes). Buildings over 500' are required to have a Building Maintenance Unit, so I'm not sure how they avoided having one on this property besides simply not following the rules.
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2021, 5:23 PM
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That’s seriously embarrassing if that’s the final window washing solution. Anyone seen an aerial shot that reveals if there is a maintenance unit on the roof? Maybe it’s on back order or being tweaked (I hope).
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There appears to be something up there. Anyone care to zoom in on this sweet pic?
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Good question - my dad and i were touring it a couple weeks ago..we chatted up the window washers for a bit. They work 7 days a week, weather permitting. The ropes will always be present unless retrieved fully for extended periods of bad weather. It was a shockingly manual system - two guys acting as sway anchors on the ground, and two cleaning windows. Their platform is left sitting on the edge of the street at the end of the day........hard to believe this is the permanent solution?
a while ago in one of the new york forums on here i had a conversation about this.. basically window washers are unionized and in many cases the union(s) are powerful enough to prevent buildings from installing automated window-washing equipment or any equipment at all that reduces the need for window washing jobs, even if the new equipment would be safer (such as systems that would eliminate the need for building owners to pay several humans 50k a year + benefits to act as sway anchors for 8 hours a day for two other guys hanging from cables) Its absolutely fucking ridiculous if you ask me
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2 things kill this building for me, and ultimately cause me to give it a thumbs down.

1st is the blow-through floor near the top. I don't even understand the need for these floors. If they are necessary, why don't we see them on all the other supertalls in Chicago and elsewhere? Other than 432 Park in NYC I can't think of any other supertalls that have this, and that tower integrates them much better than Vista does. It also wasn't shown in the renders so feels like a total bait and switch.

2nd is the black strip about halfway up the tower on one side, quoted in the picture above, along with that much smaller black strip about 3/4 of the way up. It's a graceless solution and again, another negative surprise from my expectations.

Overall this building had an opportunity to be great, but instead ended up a sloppy mess that will forever mar Chicago's skyline going forward. I would also argue that the top section gets too thin compared to the other supertalls in the city. It just doesn't fit. Chicago deserved better.
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2 things kill this building for me, and ultimately cause me to give it a thumbs down.

1st is the blow-through floor near the top. I don't even understand the need for these floors. If they are necessary, why don't we see them on all the other supertalls in Chicago and elsewhere? Other than 432 Park in NYC I can't think of any other supertalls that have this, and that tower integrates them much better than Vista does. It also wasn't shown in the renders so feels like a total bait and switch.

2nd is the black strip about halfway up the tower on one side, quoted in the picture above, along with that much smaller black strip about 3/4 of the way up. It's a graceless solution and again, another negative surprise from my expectations.

Overall this building had an opportunity to be great, but instead ended up a sloppy mess that will forever mar Chicago's skyline going forward. I would also argue that the top section gets too thin compared to the other supertalls in the city. It just doesn't fit. Chicago deserved better.
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I think it is because of the thin-ness that some "supertalls" are relying on the blow-through gaps. 111 57th in NYC seems to be the best example of

using this gimmick. Other supertalls seem to have enough mass and integrity of construction that they are stronger and less susceptible to

movements which would be disturbing to the people inside.

I've said it before - I think this blow-through trend is a sign of the times which is a distinctly negative development and an indicator of the

current abundance of bad taste in the service of social decay for the vainest, greediest members of society.

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2 things kill this building for me, and ultimately cause me to give it a thumbs down.

1st is the blow-through floor near the top. I don't even understand the need for these floors. If they are necessary, why don't we see them on all the other supertalls in Chicago and elsewhere? Other than 432 Park in NYC I can't think of any other supertalls that have this, and that tower integrates them much better than Vista does. It also wasn't shown in the renders so feels like a total bait and switch.
Willis/Hancock/Aon are all steel so stiff enough not to need blow floors I imagine. Trump has a much more aerodynamic cross section (oval vs square) and might be bulkier as well but aerodynamics might be enough.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2021, 5:27 PM
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If you don’t understand blow-through floors and the issue of vortex shedding, please go read up on it.

Obviously, skinny towers have higher susceptibility to the wind, and need engineering answers to prevent seasickness-inducing sway. The big failure with Vista is that they didn’t detect that they had under-designed it until it was already under construction. So rather than integrating the blow through floors into the design nicely like 432 Park, they had to (or decided to) make the compromise we are now seeing. At least they didn’t have to secretly go back and strengthen it at night when it was already occupied, like 601 Lexington.

Personally, I think this tower is impressive and will be more well liked over time, despite its quirks.
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