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Old Posted Dec 27, 2016, 5:21 PM
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2016, 5:27 PM
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What the hell? Are those real? Those don't look too different than the originals. I mean, it's definitely shorter, but still. There wasn't that much done to alter the design. Wow. I was expecting this to turn into a 300-foot insult courtesy NIMBYs, not a slightly shorter version of an excellent building. If those are actually authentic, than that was actually a pleasant surprise.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2016, 5:32 PM
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Are we sure these are updated?

The story I read said it would have about 9 fewer floors. Which means, the building will still be tall. But I didn't think it would be quite this tall (post-neighborhood agreement).
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2016, 5:34 PM
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Hopefully this news is true, because it isn't as bad as expected. It actually still looks quite tall in comparison to the other towers on the square. I was also expecting a horrible new redesign when I heard that "too modern for Philadelphia" line.

Honestly I'm just glad that it's finally getting built, and it still looks quite nice. And it seems that the Warwick is being preserved, which is a big plus.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2016, 6:00 PM
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sounds like all the important parties are on board... Let's BUILD!

A shorter tower now envisioned for last major Rittenhouse Square-area development site

by Jacob Adelman, STAFF WRITER @jacobadelman December 27, 2016 — 12:12 PM EST

A condo-and-apartment tower proposed for the last sizable piece of undeveloped property in the Rittenhouse Square area will be downsized, part of a deal between the developer and neighbors that also includes preserving two historic buildings at the site.

Current plans for the project, known as 1911 Walnut, call for an approximately 47-story glass-and-precast-concrete building on a cut-limestone base, rather than the previously intended 55-story tower of mostly glass, officials at developer Southern Land Co. said late last week.

The revised proposal preserves the Rittenhouse Coffee Shop and Warwick apartment buildings, built in 1855 and 1903 on Sansom Street, company founder and chief executive Tim Downey said in an interview. Southern Land plans to redevelop those structures into low-income supportive housing to be operated by Project Home, he said.

Still being decided is the final number of condo and apartment units in the tower, Downey said. Richard Gross, a Center City Residents’ Association director who helped hammer out the agreement, said it would be no more than 335.

The revised plan comes after months of negotiations between Nashville-based Southern Land and a group organized by area residents who had opposed a version of the project presented in January. That proposal was out of scale for the neighborhood, opponents said.

Aiding the community members in those talks were local architects Cecil Baker and John Randolph, who were hired by the group to help project architect Solomon Cordwell Buenz adjust the original proposal.

“It was a collaborative effort,” Downey said.

Originally, Gross said, Southern Land had sought community support for an ordinance that would make zoning at the project site — which spans much of the blocks bounded by Sansom and Walnut Streets between 19th and 20th — as permissive as that of Center City’s skyscraper district.

Under the agreement with Southern Land, community members will back broader changes to the project site’s zoning classification that increase developers’ ability to build projects with more units than otherwise would be permitted.

The changes would apply to parcels throughout the city that share the project site’s “CMX-4” classification of commercial mixed-use zoning.

One change would create a new “bonus” for integrating low-income housing into development projects, which Southern Land plans to do with the historic buildings on Sansom Street, Gross said. It’s an enhanced version of a bonus already available when developers set some units aside for lower-income residents, he said.

Another new bonus would be awarded to developers that include more parking than is required and make the extra spaces available to other neighborhood residents, which Southern Land also plans to do, Gross said.

Paul Steinke, executive director of the Preservation Alliance for Greater Philadelphia, praised the plans to save the Rittenhouse Coffee Shop and Warwick buildings.

Steinke also said he supported plans to preserve part of the facade of a third historic building at the site, the Oliver Bair funeral home, which would be integrated into a third-floor garden terrace.

Project Home spokeswoman Laura Weinbaum, meanwhile, said the abundant service-job opportunities and transit options in the area would benefit residents of the 35-unit supportive-housing project. Southern Land also is donating $2 million to the organization toward the facility’s operation.

“We’re thrilled to be able to provide more housing to more people in need, especially in such a desirable location,” said Weinbaum, whose organization also operates the nearby Kate’s Place residence.

Under the revised plan, other development on Sansom Street will be limited to mid-rise construction accommodating ground-floor shops and restaurants, with a fitness-center tenant anticipated on upper floors.

The Sansom Street structure will be linked to the condo tower on Walnut Street via a skybridge-like structure over Moravian Street, which would be widened as part of the project.

The collaboration shows how “a cooperative developer and cooperative neighbors can make a difference in the built environment of the city,” Gross said.
     
     
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not bad at all. sure doesn't seem much shorter
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2016, 6:06 PM
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good deal... (how much extra parking?)

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Very nice! I'll take it. Would still be over 500 feet tall... I was expecting something much much shorter.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2016, 6:18 PM
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not bad at all. sure doesn't seem much shorter
Yeah, at first I thought that the renders were simply a re-post of what we had already seen, however, doing a quick floor count, there are 47 stories plus the sizable mechanical penthouse. Doesn't appear much different or too much shorter. I expected a more noticeable or sizable downgrade.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2016, 6:19 PM
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I give this a 90% chance for actually getting built.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2016, 6:20 PM
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I suspect that many of the richest people (i.e. potential NIMBYs) on Rittenhouse Square actually want to jump ship to this building, thus, they probably didn't fight too much over the height because I bet more than a few were salivating over the potential to be right on the square AND have the best views.
     
     
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If I had the means, this is where I'd want to live
     
     
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What one wouldn't do for a parking space in CC
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2016, 6:50 PM
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This, 1910 chestnut and 2100 Market (eventually) will do a lot for the western end of the skyline. Maybe people will have a little more faith in SLC. They certainly didn't mess around on 3601 Market.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2016, 7:52 PM
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That proposal was out of scale for the neighborhood, opponents said.
So was this the only reason it ended up being downsized? Or was it necessary in order to preserve the other buildings?

With the design being very similar and only 80 feet shorter they might as well kept the original design. Not that I'm complaining, this is a lot better than what I thought they would come up with.
     
     
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Wow. Looks amazing and still quite tall. And they are preserving the coffee house and the Warwick and it will be turned into affordable housing by project home? And did I read correctly that the funeral home facade is also being preserved?

Damn. What an abundance of amazing news. I hope they get started immediately.
     
     
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Wow. Looks amazing and still quite tall. And they are preserving the coffee house and the Warwick and it will be turned into affordable housing by project home? And did I read correctly that the funeral home facade is also being preserved?

Damn. What an abundance of amazing news. I hope they get started immediately.
one almost thinks they had a Plan B to get this done without the historic building demo from the start and that was a tactic to make the "compromise" seem that much easier for the neighbors to support. It also seems that the neighbors were really only concerned about the preservation because the "scale" of this building has barely changed. It will still tower over most of it's neighbors. from the street you wont know the difference between 560 and 620ft
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2016, 9:26 PM
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Nice. Not much decrease in height. Not really much "less modern and more fitting for Philadelphia." And, of course, condos are back. Really the only way the economics of this make sense. Glad this is going up, AND there will be preservation. The City can stick it to Toll with this as an example. I hear the Jeweler's Row development is going to be held up in litigation.
     
     
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I actually think the redesign is an improvement. I like modern buildings done right, but the original renders of this were mediocre. Minimal height decrease, improved design, historic preservation, AND some affordable housing in the mix? I'll take it!
     
     
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