Quebec, the French Language, and Quebecois Identity

[Hali87]

It's probably really quick to type in English when you're used to typing in French!

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

How is it you can multi-post bloviate in multi-threads across multiple subforums within a span of minutes? it's mind-boggling how omnipresent you are on this forum.

As a rule I don't generally comment on other posters, but I will break that rule just this once to observe that half of your posts or more are actually about other posters (always critical of course) as opposed to comments about the topic at hand.

Think about that.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by acottawa

Yeah, she seems to align quite closely with the Karen trope.

If it was 1985 would the reaction be any different? (Assuming someone happened to have their handycam at the supermarket). I don’t recall any point in my lifetime where it was acceptable for anyone over the age of 3 to behave that way in a public place.

People generally didn't walk around with handycams filming grocery stores. Sure, we're probably catching a lot more racists by having a camera in every persons pockets but we're probably also catching people at the lowest point in their lives saying things that they regret when they've cooled off and cleared their heads.

[dleung]

Originally Posted by Acajack

So are you going to create a new portmanteau now?

"thejackman" sounds good.

At least I get to be first for once!

Maybe take your own advice and stick to arguments?

If only the usual suspects had as much empathy for people who have their lives ruined/terminated by discrimination as they do for racists who are sorry they got caught

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by dleung

Maybe take your own advice and stick to arguments?

If only the usual suspects had as much empathy for people who have their lives ruined/terminated by discrimination as they do for racists who are sorry they got caught

Are we talking about the same incident here?

Horrible as it is, of course.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by theman23

People generally didn't walk around with handycams filming grocery stores. Sure, we're probably catching a lot more racists by having a camera in every persons pockets but we're probably also catching people at the lowest point in their lives saying things that they regret when they've cooled off and cleared their heads.

I think it's already been established that regret, contrition, begging for forgiveness or apologies, don't cut it anymore.

Again, not saying that's good or bad. Just reporting on what I observe.

Will someone now seriously deny that that is true?

[O-tacular]

Well I see this thread is the same garbage dump as the other closed one.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I don't disagree, unless perhaps this was absolutely the only time in her life that she did this. And she might never ever do it again. (I'd also add that she looks like an upper middle class individual, and the supermarket is in Île-des-Soeurs, which is a pretty posh area of Montreal. I mean, it has a chandelier hanging over the entrance.)

So her perceived class lessens her racism?

[O-tacular]

It still mystifies me that the same people crying discrimination from anglo Canada find EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE excuse to defend blatant acts of racism and discrimination against visible minorities.

[dleung]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I am just observing what the 2021 societal reaction is almost sure to be.

Originally Posted by Acajack

I think it's already been established that regret, contrition, begging for forgiveness or apologies, don't cut it anymore.
Again, not saying that's good or bad. Just reporting on what I observe.

Omg grow a pair and just say it's bad! I agree racists getting cancelled occasionally gets disproportionate, maybe not as much as you, who pre-emptively expresses sympathy for any racist's hypothetical punishment. So is getting executed for resisting arrest or for a broken taillight or for jogging through a white neighbourhood, but nary a peep from you. 30,000 posts on social justice and the your only words of sympathy go to the racists or to law enforcement.

Parsing "quantifiable harm" to the victim here is red herring - there is none. This is news because the accidental self-outing of a racist is just the tip of an iceberg of deplorables who quietly post on forums and vote for the most MAGA candidate possible, similar to how symptomatic covid patients are only a fraction of asymptomatic cases.

[Binour]

I don't understand why that kind of topic land in the Quebec thread.

After 3 minutes in google:
https://globalnews.ca/news/8031161/k...rade-on-video/

https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1467783

https://iranwire.com/en/features/10630

Should we start a thread about the Roconian identity?

[suburbanite]

Acajack has like a hundred thousand posts and I can probably count on one hand how many times I've seen him definitively take a firm stance on any issue outside of Quebec language/legal issues. It's obviously good to take a nuanced look at any issues, but the perpetual devil's advocate position does get tiring after awhile.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by Binour

I don't understand why that kind of topic land in the Quebec thread.

After 3 minutes in google:
https://globalnews.ca/news/8031161/k...rade-on-video/

https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1467783

https://iranwire.com/en/features/10630

Should we start a thread about the Roconian identity?

I've seen similar stories from all over Canada posted in the Covid-19 thread. They were universally condemned. The real question is why do certain Quebecois forumers go out of their way to constantly defend such behaviour?

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by Acajack

As a rule I don't generally comment on other posters, but I will break that rule just this once to observe that half of your posts or more are actually about other posters (always critical of course) as opposed to comments about the topic at hand.

Think about that.

May I respond by paraphrasing your exact words:

Originally Posted by ParAcajack

On this issue, we represent millions of your fellow citizens.

Most but not all are concentrated in 9 provinces, speak another language and are of another culture.

If that doesn't make a light go off in your head, nothing ever will.

.

[Binour]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

I've seen similar stories from all over Canada posted in the Covid-19 thread. They were universally condemned. The real question is why do certain Quebecois forumers go out of their way to constantly defend such behaviour?

Could you name who you are talking about (or just shut up?)

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by Binour

Could you name who you are talking about (or just shut up?)

Vraiment?!? Not obvious enough?

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I think it's already been established that regret, contrition, begging for forgiveness or apologies, don't cut it anymore.

Again, not saying that's good or bad. Just reporting on what I observe.

Will someone now seriously deny that that is true?

It does seem that there is little or no room for forgiveness in these cases. A virtual scarlet letter?

[Binour]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

Vraiment?!? Not obvious enough?

No. Assume and name.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

It does seem that there is little or no room for forgiveness in these cases. A virtual scarlet letter?

I ended a fizzling friendship last year when I found out that said 'friend' was a rapey piece of garbage who was mentally and sexually abusive to his ex gf who I am acquaintances with. Funny enough the spark that lit the powder keg was him coming unglued on me over a pro vaccine post I made on FB. This person who I thought I knew proceeded to send me an insane barrage of abusive and ridiculous PM's attacking everything from my wife, to my job to my hair. He apologized but I left his messages on Read after telling him that I believed what his ex said about him and that there was no point in meeting to discuss things further since he showed me his cards. I believe in redemption but not when it isn't deserved.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

I ended a fizzling friendship last year when I found out that said 'friend' was a rapey piece of garbage who was mentally and sexually abusive to his ex gf who I am acquaintances with. Funny enough the spark that lit the powder keg was him coming unglued on me over a pro vaccine post I made on FB. This person who I thought I knew proceeded to send me an insane barrage of abusive and ridiculous PM's attacking everything from my wife, to my job to my hair. He apologized but I left his messages on Read after telling him that I believed what his ex said about him and that there was no point in meeting to discuss things further since he showed me his cards. I believe in redemption but not when it isn't deserved.

But you recognize that redemption can be earned. That does not seem to be the case with “cancel culture”.