Great Lakes Cities

[mrnyc]

better than nothing --


“Cleveland … is set to receive about 4,000 passengers via 38 cruise visits this year, up from 19 cruises in 2018.”


more:
https://twitter.com/mjarboe/status/1...2cLGzYhppnufSg

[The North One]

Detroit sees record cruise ship activity in 2022

Cruise ships docked in Detroit more than 50 times during the 2022 season, a record and more than double the amount of dockings in Detroit in 2019, the Detroit/Wayne County Port Authority and a coalition of Midwest states, cruise lines and others said Friday.

The announcement coincided with the final weekend of cruise ships docking in Detroit. Le Bellot, a cruise ship operated by the French cruise operator Ponant, was docked in Detroit on Friday...

There were nearly 10,000 passenger visits to Detroit this year, which generated $1.2 million in economic impact for Detroit, Schrupp said.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/bu...2/69563198007/

Was a huge summer for cruise ships in Detroit. Far more than just the Viking Octantis which by the way did end up docking at the downtown port. So port Detroit will easily be able to handle any passenger ship on the great lakes.

[mrnyc]

happy anniversary to the us weather bureau, created nov 1, 1870 in cleveland to track great lakes weather.


https://twitter.com/MocCleveland/sta...LW8Dc9kUdNfF0w

[Docere]

So is there a cross-national, Great Lakes regional culture of sorts?

[mrnyc]

Originally Posted by Docere

So is there a cross-national, Great Lakes regional culture of sorts?

ive been all around them and i would say yeah definitely. maybe slightly more different eastern vs western than all around? and the canada side is mostly empty. but really pretty much its own world all over, people, employment, architecture, yeah.

[pj3000]

Originally Posted by Docere

So is there a cross-national, Great Lakes regional culture of sorts?

Originally Posted by mrnyc

ive been all around them and i would say yeah definitely. maybe slightly more different eastern vs western than all around? and the canada side is mostly empty. but really pretty much its own world all over, people, employment, architecture, yeah.

I don't know about any culture that is ubiquitous throughout the Great Lakes' vast territory other than the area being considered to be "Great Lakes".

Regional cultural influences are MUCH stronger than belonging to the Great Lakes fraternity. I mean, we're talking what... a distance of 800 miles east to west... all part of Great Lakes "culture"? Maybe... but that's the same as saying Boston and Charleston have similar culture because they both are on the Atlantic.

[Steely Dan]

at places where the lakes connect and border bridges are easily built across the rivers/straits, i think you'll find a significant cross-border culture, so the niagara region, detroit/windsor, port huron/sarnia, and sault ste. marie.

but outside of those points of connection, the lakes themselves are vast enough to create different worlds unto themsselves.

couple that with the fact that the vast bulk of ontario's economic/cultural world swirls around lake ontario, while on the US side, things are centered around lakes erie and michigan, and that creates a further sense separation.

and as mentioned above, as you move west from lake ontario on the canadian side of the lakes, population starts dropping precipitously, and north/west of windsor, it falls off of a cliff. there's not a lot of major centers north of the western great lakes region on the candian side.


ON metro areas of the western great lakes:

windsor: 422,630
sudbury: 170,605
thunder bay: 123,258
sarnia: 97,592
sault ste. marie: 76,731

[hipster duck]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

ive been all around them and i would say yeah definitely. maybe slightly more different eastern vs western than all around? and the canada side is mostly empty. but really pretty much its own world all over, people, employment, architecture, yeah.

You think?

I don't think there's even a single Great Lakes culture within one country's side of the Great Lakes.

Like, I don't think Escanaba or Marquette have much in common with Oswego, NY.

Similarly, there's not much in common between Kingston, ON and Thunder Bay.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by hipster duck

You think?

I don't think there's even a single Great Lakes culture within one country's side of the Great Lakes.

Like, I don't think Escanaba or Marquette have much in common with Oswego, NY.

Similarly, there's not much in common between Kingston, ON and Thunder Bay.

I dunno about the UP, but a lot of LP towns in Michigan were settled by transplants from upstate New York. That's why there is so much municipality and county naming overlap between upstate NY and Michigan.

[mrnyc]

Originally Posted by pj3000

I don't know about any culture that is ubiquitous throughout the Great Lakes' vast territory other than the area being considered to be "Great Lakes".

Regional cultural influences are MUCH stronger than belonging to the Great Lakes fraternity. I mean, we're talking what... a distance of 800 miles east to west... all part of Great Lakes "culture"? Maybe... but that's the same as saying Boston and Charleston have similar culture because they both are on the Atlantic.

well i didn’t say ubiquitous, just much more alike than different. the craftsman wood frame houses and all that. the economic drivers. have you driven around them much?

and instead let’s say seattle to sf as a better comparison than the most populated corridor in the usa, at least for that aspect.

[mrnyc]

Originally Posted by hipster duck

You think?

I don't think there's even a single Great Lakes culture within one country's side of the Great Lakes.

Like, I don't think Escanaba or Marquette have much in common with Oswego, NY.

Similarly, there's not much in common between Kingston, ON and Thunder Bay.

northern mich & suny oswego? yeah.

[pj3000]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

well i didn’t say ubiquitous, just much more alike than different. have you driven around them much?

and instead let’s say seattle to sf as a better comparison that the most populated corridor in the usa, at least for that aspect.

Driven around a bit, not everywhere by a long shot. Though I don't see a heck of a lot of cultural sameness, other than the fact that a Great Lake is nearby, which is significant, but doesn't override regional culture.

To me, Rochester & Syracuse, for example, share a much closer common culture with non-Great Lakes places like Albany & Binghamton, than they do with, say, Duluth & Green Bay.

[mrnyc]

^ well i have driven alll the way around most of them and ok but i feel like for one thing you are moving off the waterfront here and we are starting to split hairs. i mean syracuse/rochester to chicago at least, i’m not seeing that glaring difference.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

i mean syracuse/rochester to chicago at least

well, there is that nasally-ass aaaaaaaaaccent!



source: https://vividmaps.com/english-accent...und-the-world/

[mrnyc]

^ i was about to say, even the people talk alike, but there ya go!

actually they used to say backwards canadian accent in cleveland because we tended to greet each other with aay hows it going? instead of hows it going, aay?

[pj3000]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

well, there is that nasally-ass aaaaaaaaaccent!



source: https://vividmaps.com/english-accent...und-the-world/

People in NW Pennsylvania don't have that western/upstate NY nasally thing though... I think the midlands Pittsburgh/Pennsylvania accent must drown it out/combine with it to make the accent there rather indiscernible.

And there's no such thing as an "Appalachian" accent...at least not as depicted in that map.

[mrnyc]

Originally Posted by pj3000

And there's no such thing as an "Appalachian" accent...at least not as depicted in that map.

well, yunz yinzers would say that!

[Crawford]

Rochester has a nasaly accent, the same as in Buffalo, or Michigan, for that matter. Syracuse, not so sure. Syracuse is Central NY, not Western NY, and feels older and slightly more eastern. I think they have more of the flat Upstate accent you hear pretty much everywhere outside of the NYC orbit.

I went to college a little south of Syracuse, and the Finger Lakes accent was definitely different than where I grew up in Metro Detroit. But it wasn't an Eastern Seaboard-type accent either. To me, I can't tell any difference between Detroit and Buffalo/Rochester accents.

[pj3000]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

well, yunz yinzers would say that!

True!

But... the Pittsburgh/SW PA accent is VERY different than what one hears down in TN, GA, SC, NC, KY, etc... as depicted in that map above. Come on... it's not even close.

I realize that map is certainly not a good one, but the whole thing is pretty far off.

The traditional "Pennsylvania" accent really spreads across the southern half of the state.

Philadelphia (accentuated DelCo sound is in my head) certainly has a very distinct sound, like Pittsburgh (accentuated South Hills/Mon Valley sound is in my head) does. But there are a lot of similarities in the accent throughout the southern half of PA, and Maryland, northern WV.

The northern half of PA is much more that flat, almost indistinguishable, kinda boring accent that Crawford mentions above about central/upstate NY.

Buffalo and Rochester have the nasally tone to their "A" sounds in words like "car". It's a really hard and short nasal tone.

[Steely Dan]

^ the map may have a lot of large imperfections, but it was a quick 15 second google search to find somthing that showed what we all know: that there is a generally similar great lakes city accent stretching from buffalo to chicago, even if it might hop over NW PA.