City Murder Rates - Page 181

Smuttynose1 · #**3601** Posted **Jul 7, 2022, 8:18 PM**

A few YTD numbers for US cities and how they compare to last year's counts at the same time:

Atlanta
82 / Rate 16.4 per 100K
Up 24%

Boston
13 / Rate 1.9 per 100K
Down 38%

Chicago
323 / Rate 11.5 per 100K
Down 11%

Dallas
126 / Rate 9.7 per 100K
Up 17%

Los Angeles
183 / Rate 4.7 per 100K
Down 2%

Milwaukee
112 / 19.3 per 100K
Up 33%

Minneapolis
45 / Rate: 10.6 per 100K
Down 20%

New York City
210 / Rate 2.4 per 100K
Down 10%

Philadelphia
274 / Rate 17.1 per 100K
Down 4%

Providence
4 / Rate: 2.1 per 100K
Down 60%

Salt Lake City
7 / Rate 3.5 per 100K
Down 30%

San Francisco
25 / Rate 2.9 per 100K
Down 4%

Seattle
28 / Rate 3.8 per 100K
Up 22%

Washington, DC
109 / Rate: 15.6 per 100K
Up 14%

edale · #**3602** Posted **Jul 7, 2022, 9:57 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

Census estimates are pure garbage.

According to census 2020, Boston city proper is now 19.1% NH-black, and SF city proper is now 5.2% NH-black.

Ok, so the numbers you want to use show Boston's Black population is 3.7x larger than San Francisco's rather than 'almost 5' as I claimed. Does that materially change anything about the point I was making?

Seems pedantic and doesn't do much to advance the discussion.

Steely Dan · #**3603** Posted **Jul 7, 2022, 11:55 PM**

^ it may not materially change the point, but when we talk about the relative proportions of the 4 main macro-demos of given cities, I think it's a good idea to remain consistent with the data.

And the larger point that I was making that got lost is that Boston is one of the least black major cities in the eastern half of the nation. I believe only Minneapolis is less black in the east.

And the west just didn't get a lot of black people during the great migrations, relatively speaking. Is there any major city west of the I-35 corridor where blacks even make up 20% of the population? Possibly Oakland, but I can't think of any others off the top of my head.

Smuttynose1 · #**3604** Posted **Jul 8, 2022, 5:21 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

And the larger point that I was making that got lost is that Boston is one of the least black major cities in the eastern half of the nation. I believe only Minneapolis is less black in the east.

Miami has a lower share of black residents than Boston. I don't know if places like Providence and Grand Rapids count as a major cities, but they also have lower shares. And it's in the general ballpark of places like NYC and Pittsburgh, but yes definitely lower than Philly, Baltimore, Chicago, DC, etc. Overall, it doesn't strike me as especially unusual, particularly in the context of New England which doesn't have a very high black population in general.

Crawford · #**3605** Posted **Jul 8, 2022, 5:24 PM**

Ugh, what is the point of arguing irrelevent city proper populations? Miami is obviously much blacker than Boston.

There are only two really major metros in New England, and Boston is the less black of the two, BTW.

Smuttynose1 · #**3606** Posted **Jul 8, 2022, 5:51 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawford

Ugh, what is the point of arguing irrelevent city proper populations? Miami is obviously much blacker than Boston.

There are only two really major metros in New England, and Boston is the less black of the two, BTW.

MSA boundaries are even more arbitrary and nonsensical than city boundaries. Many of the firmly Boston area towns within a 30-mile ring of the city fall outside the MSA while Middleton, New Hampshire, 90 miles away and 98% white, is considered part of the Boston MSA. At least city boundaries serve some function.

And there are three MSAs over 1M in New England. Boston, Hartford, and Providence, and five over 800K.

Crawford · #**3607** Posted **Jul 8, 2022, 6:11 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smuttynose1

MSA boundaries are even more arbitrary and nonsensical than city boundaries.

No, they aren't. MSAs, CSAs and UAs are all based on common Census standards. There's no standard for a city proper.

Comparing city propers is useless. Do you really want to argue that London and Brussels are small villages, or Jacksonville is the dominant city in the Southeastern U.S., or San Francisco is a suburb of San Jose?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smuttynose1

And there are three MSAs over 1M in New England. Boston, Hartford, and Providence, and five over 800K.

There are two big metros in New England - NYC and Boston. NYC is a blacker metro. There are essentially two population centers in New England - the stretch from NYC to Hartford and the stretch from Boston to Providence. Of course the NYC metro is mostly non-New England but it is the second largest population center strictly in New England.

Smuttynose1 · #**3608** Posted **Jul 8, 2022, 9:10 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawford

There are two big metros in New England - NYC and Boston. NYC is a blacker metro. There are essentially two population centers in New England - the stretch from NYC to Hartford and the stretch from Boston to Providence. Of course the NYC metro is mostly non-New England but it is the second largest population center strictly in New England.

No part of the NYC MSA extends into Connecticut. It should, but it doesn't which further illustrates my point. Using counties as a measure of something, at least in the context of New England, is more arbitrary than using city boundaries. There is really no functioning county government (Connecticut completely eliminated theirs in the 1960s), many of them are huge, and based on Revolutionary War era boundaries. Many municipal boundaries were developed or annexed later based on some form of development patterns. They are also arbitrary, just less so than the county ones. Thus we have communities firmly within the I-495 belt excluded from the Boston MSA and communities 90 miles away in Central New Hampshire included.

SIGSEGV · #**3609** Posted **Jul 9, 2022, 7:29 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smuttynose1

A few YTD numbers for US cities and how they compare to last year's counts at the same time:

Atlanta
82 / Rate 16.4 per 100K
Up 24%

Boston
13 / Rate 1.9 per 100K
Down 38%

Chicago
323 / Rate 11.5 per 100K
Down 11%

Dallas
126 / Rate 9.7 per 100K
Up 17%

Los Angeles
183 / Rate 4.7 per 100K
Down 2%

Milwaukee
112 / 19.3 per 100K
Up 33%

Minneapolis
45 / Rate: 10.6 per 100K
Down 20%

New York City
210 / Rate 2.4 per 100K
Down 10%

Philadelphia
274 / Rate 17.1 per 100K
Down 4%

Providence
4 / Rate: 2.1 per 100K
Down 60%

Salt Lake City
7 / Rate 3.5 per 100K
Down 30%

San Francisco
25 / Rate 2.9 per 100K
Down 4%

Seattle
28 / Rate 3.8 per 100K
Up 22%

Washington, DC
109 / Rate: 15.6 per 100K
Up 14%

Thanks for putting this together? Are these all for approximately first 6 months.

Here's a few more I found (for first 6 months, multiply rate by 2 to extrapolate to full year):

Baltimore
179 / Rate: 29.7 per 100k

Columbus
63 / Rate: 7.1 per 100k

Denver
43 / Rate: 6.0 per 100k

Houston
206 / Rate: 8.9 per 100k

Indianapolis
107 / Rate: 12.3 per 100k

Kansas City
74 / Rate: 15.1 per 100k

Memphis
134 / Rate: 20.6 per 100k

Miami (city)
23 / Rate: 5.0 per 100k (based on looking at the crime map side by side with city limits...)

Nashville
57 / Rate: 8.2 per 100k

Oakland
56 / Rate: 13.3 per 100k

St. Louis
92 / Rate: 30.2 per 100k

Yuri · #**3610** Posted **Jul 9, 2022, 9:26 PM**

Columbus, Denver and Nashville are high-ish specially considering they have big city propers. São Paulo levels.

SIGSEGV · #**3611** Posted **Jul 9, 2022, 10:43 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuri

Columbus, Denver and Nashville are high-ish specially considering they have big city propers. São Paulo levels.

Indianapolis is the "star" of that show

Skoobeatz · #**3612** Posted **Jul 14, 2022, 11:23 PM**

Youngstown Ohio (11) as of July

Population: 60,084

Last year total (31)

All time record 1995 (68)

Yuri · #**3613** Posted **Jul 14, 2022, 11:27 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

Indianapolis is the "star" of that show

Indeed. Kansas City has also a quite large city proper.

Sgt_Pepper · #**3614** Posted **Jul 15, 2022, 4:02 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawford

And I don't understand the point of comparing city propers. Has no particular relevance.

City proper demographics are more relevant for an old city like Boston than a newer one in the west or south. It doesn't sprawl that much and the culture, demographics, built environment, etc. can change very quickly at town or city borders due to the strong local control of municipalities in the area.

Basically it is possible for Boston city to be very diverse while Boston metro is very non-hispanic white. It may seem paradoxical, but both things are true simultaneously.

Northern Light · #**3615** Posted **Jul 15, 2022, 8:30 PM**

Toronto as at July 15th, 2022:

35 homicides

vs last year (39)

Population 3,000,000

Homicide rate per 100,000 (annualized) : 2.17

Smuttynose1 · #**3616** Posted **Jul 26, 2022, 9:37 PM**

Here's some YTD homicide rates per 100K of population from cities where the data is current and easily accessed over the internet. Just for fun, I included some Canadian cities I could easily find data for --

Vancouver, CAN 1.4
Toronto, CAN 1.4
Boston 2.4
Providence 2.6
Spokane 2.7
NYC 2.8
San Fran 3.2
Winnipeg, CAN 3.7
SLC, UT 4.0
LA, CA 5.3
Denver 7.7
Dallas 10.3
Minneapolis 11.3
Albuquerque 12.6
Chicago 13.6
Richmond, VA 14.3
Washington, DC 17.1
Atlanta 17.3
KC, MO 18.3
Hartford, CT 19.2
Philadelphia 19.3
Milwaukee 22.9
Baltimore 33.7

tablemtn · #**3617** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 12:43 AM**

Portland has 53 homicides so far, which includes 51 'normal' homicides and two shootings by police:

Portland’s Homicides Of 2022 /

What's interesting is how few of these cases are being solved. Most do not result in arrests.

Djesus777 · #**3618** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 3:02 PM**

Montreal at 14 after a violent night, three others critically injured. Really sad seeing whats going on here.

Skoobeatz · #**3619** Posted **Aug 3, 2022, 3:36 PM**

Youngstown Ohio has 14 murders as of August 3, 2022
Population 60,048
Per 100,000 23.5
2021’s total was 31 murders

ilcapo · #**3620** Posted **Aug 11, 2022, 9:03 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilcapo

27/5 2022

Sweden (pop 10.2 mil)
Estimated total: 47 (29 deadly shootings)
- Up from 42 this date 2021

Stockholm Metro (pop 2.4 mil)
Estimated total: 18 (12 deadly shootings)
- Down from 19 this date in 2021

Within City limits/Municipality (Pop 960.000)
Estimated total: 8 (4 deadly shootings)
- Up from 6 this date in 2021

Gothenburg/Göteborg Municipality (Pop 578 000)
Estimated total: 1 (1 deadly shooting)
- Down from 4 this date in 2021

Malmo/Malmö Municipality (Pop 344 000)
Estimated total: 5 (2 Deadly shootings)
- Up from 3 this date in 2021

11/8 2022

Sweden (pop 10.2 mil)
Estimated total: 73 (44 deadly shootings)
- Up from 70 this date 2021

Stockholm Metro (pop 2.4 mil)
Estimated total: 32 (21 deadly shootings)
- Up from 30 this date in 2021

Within City limits/Municipality (Pop 960.000)
Estimated total: 17 (8 deadly shootings)
- Up from 13 this date in 2021

Gothenburg/Göteborg Municipality (Pop 578 000)
Estimated total: 3 (2 deadly shooting)
- Down from 7 this date in 2021

Malmo/Malmö Municipality (Pop 344 000)
Estimated total: 8 (4 Deadly shootings)
- Up from 2 this date in 2021