Our Neighbourhoods - Quick Facts

[Yuri]

Lazy Sunday morning, so I decided to find data on my neighbourhoods: the former one in Londrina, and the current one in São Paulo(Censo 2010):

CENTRO, LONDRINA


Flavio Conceição

Population: 32,601

Area: 2.93 km²

Density: 11,107 inh./km²

Gender
Men: 11,787 (43.36%)
Women: 15,510 (56.64%)

Ethnic makeup
White: 27,297 (83.73%)
Asian: 2,967 (9.10%)
Mixed: 1,894 (5.81%)
Black: 423 (1.30%)

Age groups
-14: 3,209 (9.84%)
+65: 4,903 (15.03%)

Income: R$ 2,240.73 (nat.avg. R$ 755.79)




BELA VISTA, SÃO PAULO


Marcio Staffa (SSC)

Population: 69,460

Area: 2.49 km²

Density: 27,933 inh./km²

Gender
Men: 32,670 (47.03%)
Women: 36,790 (52.97%)

Ethnic makeup
White: 51,075 (73.53%)
Mixed: 11,659 (16.79%)
Black: 3,377 (4.86%)
Asian: 3,253 (4.68%)

Age groups
-14: 7,737 (11.13%)
+65: 7,948 (11.43%)

Income: R$ 2,748.37 (nat.avg. R$ 755.79)

[Yuri]

I invite you guys to post data of yours!

[mrnyc]

this is a good idea for a thread - thx

i'll put something together for mine when i can

i hope others follow the lead of your format and stick to just posting one photo only of their 'hoods - ha, right?!

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

this is a good idea for a thread - thx

i'll put something together for mine when i can

i hope others follow the lead of your format and stick to just posting one photo only of their 'hoods - ha, right?!

Yes, let's keep organized to make comparisons and discussions easier. Also, forgot to convert to miles: 1 sq mile = 2.59 sq km; for density in sq miles is just to multiply by 2.59.

[Kngkyle]

I'll play along.

Edgewater, Chicago



Population: 56,521 (2010)

Area: 1.71 mi² / 4.43 km²

Density: 33,053/mi² / 12,758/km²

Ethnic makeup:
White: 30,889 (54.65%)
Hispanic: 9.318 (16.49)
Black: 8,104 (14.33%)
Asian: 6,582 (11.64%)
Other: 1,628 (2.88%)

Median Income: $43,331

[dc_denizen]

Untitled by dc_denizen, on Flickr

Cobble Hill/Brooklyn Heights, photo taken by me.

Brooklyn Heights:

Population (2010)
• Total 20,256
• Density 63,000/sq mi (24,000/km2)

Demographics 2010[2]
• White 77%
• Black 7%
• Hispanic (of any race) 8%
• Asian 5%
• Other 3%

[SignalHillHiker]

Rabbittown, St. John's



Area: 0.49 km/sq
Population: 2,700
Population Density: 5,472.2 ppl/km2

Median age: 39.4 years
% of population older than 15: 91.8%
Married: 725
Common law: 260
Single: 1,040
Average family size: 2.5

English as a first language: 2,495
Chinese: 25
Bengali: 20
French: 20
Spanish: 20
Arabic: 10
Cantonese: 10
Mandarin: 10
Swahili: 10
Others present (minimum 5 speakers): Urdu, Turkish, Sign languages, Russian, Persian, Niger-Congo languages, Italian, German, Bantu languages

[tayser]

^ interesting neighbourhood - you've got a great mix of housing typologies!

Brunswick West

Area: 326 hectares (3.26 square/km)
Population (2011): 13,542
Density: 41.29 people / hectare (4,129 square/km)

Dwelling type breakdown - see ABS

English only spoken at home: 7,871 (59.9%)
More than one language spoken at home: 2,162 (38.9%)

Top 5 LOTE:

Italian 905 (6.9%)
Greek 811 (6.2%)
Arabic 389 (3.0%)
Mandarin 294 (2.2%)
Spanish 145 (1.1%)

Median Household income $1,232 a week ($64,064 p/a)

Bonus: travel to work info:

Travel by car as driver or passenger: 3,311 (47%)
Travel by Public Transport / Bike / Walk: 1,948 (27.7%)

Can't find any decent aerial photos, this is how far it from's the city:





Images from this new dev sales listing: http://www.realestate.com.au/propert...west-119985733

[emathias]

Originally Posted by yuriandrade

...
Income: R$ 2,240.73 (nat.avg. R$ 755.79)
...Income: R$ 2,748.37 (nat.avg. R$ 755.79)

When you say "income" what does that mean? Household? Per capita? Is it annual? Monthly? Weekly? R$ 755 is only about US$250 so I'm guessing weekly per capita, but please clarify.

[emathias]

Near North Side, Chicago


From mrachicago.org

Population: 80,484 (2010)
NOTE: This population grew by almost 8,000 people between 2000 and 2010, despite the loss of thousands of public housing units. Thousands of new housing units have been and are being built in the area and there's a good chance that the 2020 census numbers will be between 90,000 and 100,000 residents which will give it an all-time population high.

Area: 2.72 mi² / 7.04 km²

Density: 29,590/mi² / 11,432/km²
NOTE: In additional to residential density, there are considerable number of regionally significant retail stores, hotel rooms and office space, giving it a daytime density that feels much higher than the population density number.

Ethnic makeup:

White 72.11%
Black 10.85%
Hispanic 4.94%
Asian 10.11%
Other 1.99%

Median Annual Household Income: $76,290
NOTE: This neighborhood also has the highest raw number of households with income over $100,000 per year out of all Chicago neighborhoods.

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by emathias

When you say "income" what does that mean? Household? Per capita? Is it annual? Monthly? Weekly? R$ 755 is only about US$250 so I'm guessing weekly per capita, but please clarify.

It's hper capita (monthly), including people who have income and who don't. Of course, many people don't feel confortable to disclosure their real income to the Census person.

The US GDP per capita is on US$ 50,000. Brazilian, US$ 11,000. Gap between the average income must be similar. Of course, the prices of basic stuff like food, housing, bills tend to be cheaper in Brazil. For instance, house ownership rate is very high down here and poor people are pretty much exempt of taxes.

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About you guys hoods, I'm quite surprised with the relative high density. I was expecting to find more ultra-low suburban density as most of people here are from the US/Canada. Also, hoods are more ethnic diverse than I was assuming.

[emathias]

Originally Posted by yuriandrade

It's hper capita (monthly), including people who have income and who don't. Of course, many people don't feel confortable to disclosure their real income to the Census person.

The US GDP per capita is on US$ 50,000. Brazilian, US$ 11,000. Gap between the average income must be similar.
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US GDP is $17 trillion with a population of about 320 million, so per-capita GDP is about $53,125 in current dollars. The US doesn't commonly report actual per-capita income, preferring to report either per-capita (counting only working-aged persons), or median household income so it's a little hard to come up with an apples-to-apples comparison.

In 2013 there were 218 million people reporting income with a mean income of US$41,319. So I guess based on a total population of 318 million (in 2014) there was a total per-capita income of somewhere around $28,325. That's 53% of the per-capita GDP number.

If the Brazilian per-capita GDP is US$11,000 and the per-capita income is only US$2,700, then the income as a percent of per-capita GDP is only about 25%. That's a much larger gap than in the U.S. Two possible explanations for that is if Brazil has a lot of state-owned enterprises where the revenue goes directly to the state instead of to individuals, and if the household size were bigger in Brazil (indicating more children). And, indeed, Brazil does have a larger household size than the U.S., about 3.5 versus about 2.6 for the U.S.

In the neighborhood I reported on for Chicago, the "Near North" neighborhood, the average household size is about 1.5, so a median household income of a bit over $76,000 translates into a *median* per-capita income of just over $50,000 per person, however since "median" hides the effect of people with really high incomes, the true *mean* per-capita income is probably significantly higher because there are many individuals in the area with income well into the six figures and even seven figures, which would pull the actual per-capita income well above $50,000. For example, in my condo association, our average household size is about the typical 1.5 per unit, however based on an educated, but conservative guess of what each of the owners likely earns based on their age and occupation I would guess that for my condo association the *mean* income per resident is somewhere around $100,000, and could possibly be as high as $130,000 or even more.

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by emathias

US GDP is $17 trillion with a population of about 320 million, so per-capita GDP is about $53,125 in current dollars. The US doesn't commonly report actual per-capita income, preferring to report either per-capita (counting only working-aged persons), or median household income so it's a little hard to come up with an apples-to-apples comparison.

In 2013 there were 218 million people reporting income with a mean income of US$41,319. So I guess based on a total population of 318 million (in 2014) there was a total per-capita income of somewhere around $28,325. That's 53% of the per-capita GDP number.

If the Brazilian per-capita GDP is US$11,000 and the per-capita income is only US$2,700, then the income as a percent of per-capita GDP is only about 25%. That's a much larger gap than in the U.S. Two possible explanations for that is if Brazil has a lot of state-owned enterprises where the revenue goes directly to the state instead of to individuals, and if the household size were bigger in Brazil (indicating more children). And, indeed, Brazil does have a larger household size than the U.S., about 3.5 versus about 2.6 for the U.S.

In the neighborhood I reported on for Chicago, the "Near North" neighborhood, the average household size is about 1.5, so a median household income of a bit over $76,000 translates into a *median* per-capita income of just over $50,000 per person, however since "median" hides the effect of people with really high incomes, the true *mean* per-capita income is probably significantly higher because there are many individuals in the area with income well into the six figures and even seven figures, which would pull the actual per-capita income well above $50,000. For example, in my condo association, our average household size is about the typical 1.5 per unit, however based on an educated, but conservative guess of what each of the owners likely earns based on their age and occupation I would guess that for my condo association the *mean* income per resident is somewhere around $100,000, and could possibly be as high as $130,000 or even more.

If I'm not mistaken, people per household in Brazil is 3.3, down 0.6 from 2010 Census. Income is indeed very hard to compare, specially sources will always be iffy.

The closest we can get from: there are 48 million registered employees in Brazil. Their average wage is R$ 1,900/month (not including benefits: paid vacation with a 1/3 plus, the 13th wage, the mandatory deposit on the pension system, etc.). This is a 100% precise source, as everything is registered on Ministry of Labour.

And then you have people non-registered (more common in poorer areas like Northeast), self-employed people and the retirees.

Those figures from Census are better to compare Brazil vs Brazil. I'm afraid it's impossible to do an US vs Brazil thing.

[Yuri]

The US Census 2020 was released, ditto for the 2021 Canadian, Brazilian will be held next month and many forumers might have moved, so I decided to revive the thread.

My new neighbourhood (since 2020):

República, São Paulo



Population: 56,981 (2010); 47,718 (2000)

Growth (2010-2000): 19.4%

Area: 2.30 km² / 0.89 sq mi

Density: 24,774 inh./km² / 64,164 inh./sq mi

Gender
Men: 28,769 (50.49%)
Women: 28,212 (49.51%)

Ethnic makeup
White: 37,356 (65.56%)
Mixed: 13,640 (23.94%)
Black: 3,559 (6.25%)
Asian: 2,196 (3.85%)

Age groups
-14: 6,754 (11.85%)
+65: 5,500 (9.65%)

[Steely Dan]

Lincoln Square, Chicago


Source: https://blockclubchicago.org/2022/01...are-neighbors/





2020 population: 40,494 (+2.5%)

Area: 2.0 sq. miles

Density: 20,247 ppsm

Macro-demos:
- white: 62.6%
- latino: 17.5%
- asian: 11.2%
- black: 4.0%
- other: 4.9%

Origin:
- native-born: 77.4%
- foreign-born: 22.6%

Age Cohorts:
- <20: 17.9%
- 20 to 34: 31.6%
- 35 to 49: 24.9%
- 50 to 64: 16.4%
- 65+: 9.3%

Median Household Income: $81,149

ZHVI: $320,442

Housing:
- renter-occupied: 60.6%
- owner-occupied: 39.4%

Housing Unit Typology:
- detached SFH: 15.6%
- attached SFH: 1.9%
- 2 - 9 units: 55.8% ("missing middle" housing FTW!)
- 10 - 19 units: 11.0%
- 20+ units: 15.7%

Automobiles Per Household:
- 0: 20.3%
- 1: 52.7%
- 2: 23.2%
- 3+: 3.7%

[dimondpark]

Upper Piedmont, Piedmont, CA

Population: 7,185
Area: 1.2 square miles
Density: 5,987 per square mile
Gender
Men: 50.8%
Women: 49.2%

Ethnic makeup
White: 65.2%(-6% from 2010)
Asian: 20.1%(+20% from 2010)
Mixed: 11.2%(+318% from 2010)
Black: 1.2%(+3% from 2010)

Age groups
Age 19 or under : 28.8%
+65: 22.0%

Average Family Income: $393,958

Lower Piedmont is more 'normal', but Upper Piedmont feels very gilded age, old money, even if most of us who live here are not like that. In any event, the streets are tree lined, and immaculately manicured(that sounds so bougie lol)

We really like that we are basically in Oakland, close to all things about Oakland that we love, especially the vibrancy, food and culture, and we get the weather(which is divine, sunny 73 today with a very cool breeze*chef's kiss*)

Also, real estate here is nothing like across the bay as far as prices. Homes in these pic are stunnng, but only in the 10-18M range, they would be much higher in The City or Peninsula, or in LA.

[JManc]

That looks eastish of Oakland? South of Berkeley?

[dimondpark]

3rd

Originally Posted by JManc

That looks eastish of Oakland? South of Berkeley?

Pretty much. Piedmont is completely surrounded by Oakland on all sides.


We are in between Hy 13 and 580.