Has any city in N. America outside of New York had 4 SUPERTALLS u/c at the same time?

[Maldive]

It could happen in T-Dot.

Or a perhaps another question:
(excluding China, UAE, and possibly Kuala Lumpur) has any city in the world outside of New York City ever had 4 super-talls under construction at same time?

NYC has 4 supertalls u/c (another day at the office for nyc perhaps), but did you know its little brother to the north now has 3 supertalls under construction with a possible 4th* super-tall in the site demolition phase (see below).

There are also a number of other Toronto super-talls approved and proposed in the pipeline (the closest to a start is Frank Gehry’s 2 kinky stainless steel and glass towers - the 1st tower is over the 70% sold which often green-lights a construction start).


The new kid below just got a 1.6 metre height increase lol.

1. Concord Sky | 300.54m | 85s | Concord Adex | a—A l u/c

Concord Sky (formerly 298.99m) received a 1.6 metre height nudge to 300.54 metres so now they can collect a CTBUH Super-tall wall plaque.


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2. Pinnacle One Yonge | 312.5m | 95s | Pinnacle | Hariri Pontarini l u/c


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3. The One | 338.3m | 94s | Mizrahi Developments | Foster + Partners l u/c

Originally approved at 309 metres, an application was filed to add 9 storeys last winter, and after a number of negotiations with the city (including more community benefits), a final decision on the extra height is expected in 2 to 3 months.

Shorter 85 storey version below:


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4. *Sugar Wharf Condominiums (Phase 2) | 299m | 90s | Menkes | a—A l site demolition/heritage retention

Like Concord Sky above (before its 1 metre+ bump), this one would also need just a 1 metre height bump... and get to wear its CTBUH (faux gold) Super-tall crown ;-).

Site demolition and early heritage retention activity is underway. Below, it’s the tallest of the 2 towers in the centre of the rendering, just left of SkyTower (a block away).


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Future Model: just the downtown core from Bloor/Yorkville south to the lake (built in white, construction in blue, proposed/approved in pink).


steveve

[pj3000]

Good-lookin' tower

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by Maldive

Has any city in N. America outside of New York had 4 SUPERTALLS u/c at the same time?

no.

not even close.

disregarding sticks (flagpoles, spires, antennas, etc.), outside of NYC, there are only 10 towers in the US/canada with a roof height above 300m, with another 4 currently U/C.


chicago - 5 (most U/C at one time was 2 back in the early '70s)
toronto - 3 (all 3 of them are U/C right now)
houston - 2 (most U/C at one time was 2 back in the early '80s)
austin - 1
los angeles - 1
san francisco - 1
philly - 1



4 U/C all at the same time would be quite the achievement for toronto.

yet another sign that it has formally entered the north american skyline big leagues.

[MAC123]

Which supertalls are you referring too as Under Construction?

Depending on how you define the number can change wildy. New York City has more than 4 if you include demolition and site prep. (And excavation?)
Like quite a bit more than 4.

It also has some with the construction elevator still up but they're topped out and almost fully clad (the spiral and the Brooklyn Tower) which if you don't count can bring the number down.

If you include all of that I count :

The Brooklyn Tower
The Spiral
270 Park Avenue
262 Fifth Avenue
520 Fifth Avenue
740 8th Avenue
343 Madison Avenue
50 Hudson Yards
Penn 15


However that number can shrink a lot depending on how you define it.

[Rico Rommheim]

Aside from Concord Sky, which is very so-so, the rest of those TO supertalls are just plain ugly. I just dont get it.

I mean, this is just awful.


https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/...048-129586.jpg

[The North One]

Wish these buildings had a little bit more style and personality. They look like a typical condo tower just scaled up. Kinda forgettable.

Isn't Gehry designing a supertall in Toronto? Why is that taking forever to start?

[pj3000]

Originally Posted by Rico Rommheim

Aside from Concord Sky, which is very so-so, the rest of those TO supertalls are just plain ugly. I just dont get it.

I mean, this is just awful.


https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/...048-129586.jpg

Now wait a minute, don't you think those trees plopped on top (which have zero chance of survival at 330m in the sky) provide a natural elegance that softens the tower's blocky bulk??

[MAC123]

Originally Posted by pj3000

Now wait a minute, don't you think those trees plopped on top (which have zero chance of survival at 330m in the sky) provide a natural elegance that softens the tower's blocky bulk??

Depending on the tree, it would be quite easy for them to survive that high.

[Maldive]

Originally Posted by The North One

Wish these buildings had a little bit more style and personality. They look like a typical condo tower just scaled up. Kinda forgettable.

Isn't Gehry designing a supertall in Toronto? Why is that taking forever to start?

Yeah I mentioned in my post that one of the 2 towers (I believe the shorter one @ 263m) has sold more than 70% (often the benchmark to trigger a start).

Haven’t seen any sales figures for the supertall @ 308m.

Forma by Frank

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Crinkled stainless steel and curtainwall.

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The One

BTW... really nice/typical work @Rico posting the sh*ttiest rendering of the dozens available (no suprise lol).

The Norman Foster looks pretty fine here:

Shorter 85 storey version:



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[Phillyguy215]

Originally Posted by pj3000

Now wait a minute, don't you think those trees plopped on top (which have zero chance of survival at 330m in the sky) provide a natural elegance that softens the tower's blocky bulk??

That looks like the Comcast technology center

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by Rico Rommheim

I mean, this is just awful.

I massively disagree.

I love the structural expressionism going on with The One.

Perhaps it's a bit too '70s retro throwback for some, but i can dig it.

Originally Posted by Phillyguy215

That looks like the Comcast technology center

same design architect (Foster + Partners).

[Nite]

Originally Posted by Maldive

Yeah I mentioned in my post that one of the 2 towers (I believe the shorter one @ 263m) has sold more than 70% (often the benchmark to trigger a start).

Haven’t seen any sales figures for the supertall @ 308m.

Forma by Frank

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The taller tower has not gone into sales yet, but the shorter one has sold faster than I was expecting with demolition permits already given, so the taller one should be release for sales soon (Before 2023)

[MolsonExport]

When it comes to height and massing in North America, there are clearly a "Big Three" (NYC, Chicago, Toronto), that stand head and shoulders above the rest, and then there is everyone else.

[Zapatan]

Good stuff, Toronto is North America's next world class skyline.

[Wigs]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

When it comes to height and massing in North America, there are clearly a "Big Three" (NYC, Chicago, Toronto), that stand head and shoulders above the rest, and then there is everyone else.

LA could be next. The downtown growth is pretty crazy right now.

I've been right near the top of the US Bank tower when they had the OUE Skyspace and glass slide. It was awesome!
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Top floor 968 ft (295 m)

My photos from 2019







Look how tiny the massive LA City Hall looks! (138m/453ft)




Hollywood sign in distance

[MolsonExport]

LA is growing up for sure, but it appears to be where Toronto was in the late 90s, when the bank towers reigned supreme (before the tall condo explosion)

[Maldive]

Originally Posted by Phillyguy215

That looks like the Comcast technology center

I don't see the resemblance other than Comcast's angled mullions, which are cosmetic not structural ... no? I could be wrong...?

The angled exterior cladding on The One is cosmetic but actually covers angled steel hangers that hold up (most of) the corners of the floor-plates (which are poured later).

Not an engineer so I can't explain the build logistics involved with the hangers... obviously something to do with the triple height (column-free) Apple Store that meant no traditional elevator core could be used... the tower basically floats on top of the retail space, hanging from the 8 super-columns.

Steel Hangers


Benito

[Scraperbase.com]

Not sure if recession will cancel some of them, but Miami currently has ten proposed towers over 300 metres and four of them are already approved.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

I massively disagree.

I love the structural expressionism going on with The One.

Perhaps it's a bit too '70s retro throwback for some, but i can dig it.

I agree. Won't be amazing but will at least be interesting and different.

Originally Posted by Scraperbase.com

Not sure if recession will cancel some of them, but Miami currently has ten proposed towers over 300 metres and four of them are already approved.

If they're under water does that change their elevations?

[Wigs]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

LA is growing up for sure, but it appears to be where Toronto was in the late 90s, when the bank towers reigned supreme (before the tall condo explosion)

you may be right, but the future looks pretty awesome for an area that until recently was a no go for pedestrians. The critical mass is building.
When I visited my brother we took the light rail from the 'burbs to Downtown and then transferred to the Subway for a couple of stops to exit at Pershing Square. There were tons of pedestrians around. It was really neat.

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