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Old Posted Sep 1, 2022, 8:44 AM
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A long but interesting read about the Jewish community in San Francisco from 1950. At the time it was said to have a very assimilated Jewish community with virtually no proletariat. German Jews were among the city's "founding families."

https://www.commentary.org/articles/...san-francisco/
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Old Posted Nov 6, 2022, 12:48 AM
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Some data on the Canadian Jewish population is out from the 2021 census, and I'm looking at the census tract level.

In Toronto, Jewish population has really grown in the area I grew up in (St. Clair West area). It's a middle to upper middle class streetcar suburb type area, just south of the Cedarvale ravine (where the Jewish corridor on Bathurst begins). Anecdotally I heard the area was re-emerging as a Jewish hub. Very accessible to Jewish commercial strip on Eglinton and major synagogues, but also to the Annex and other core neighborhoods to the south. Relatively affordable housing compared to Cedarvale and Forest Hill. Jewish population is about 4,000 out of 30,000, up about 70% in just 10 years. A Reform day school campus opened in the area. A lot of Jewish restaurants and businesses have opened:

https://thecjn.ca/perspectives/st-cl...-a-jewish-hub/

The area was fairly Jewish during the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s, a sort of transition area between the old inner city Jewish community in the Kensington-Harbord area to the south, and newer suburban areas of Forest Hill, Cedarvale and North York. But by the late 1960s the major synagogue in the area moved to North York, following their congregants, and the community declined. There were some Jews in the area when I was growing up, but it was probably no more than 10% Jewish at most.

Meanwhile, Jews seem to really be moving out of the wealthy Bayview-York Mills area, the northeast edge of the favored quarter. For a generation of doctors and successful businessmen, this was a step up from postwar Jewish middle class Lawrence Manor and Bathurst Manor, and it became as secondary Jewish concentration after Bathurst (but with virutally no Orthodox). Probably about 1/3 Jewish at its peak, now it seems to be no more than 15%. The area is probably about as Chinese as it was Jewish 30 years ago.

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Old Posted Nov 6, 2022, 4:43 PM
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Does TO have any legit orthodox jewish neighbourhoods like Mile-End/Outremont/Cote-des-neiges?
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Hasidim are just one type of ultra-Orthodox Judaism. Toronto doesn't really have Hasidim, who speak Yiddish. So no Outremont/Mile End equivalent exactly.

But there is certainly a large Orthodox Jewish population. They're most visible in the Bathurst-Lawrence area. That's where you see the black hat "Yesivish" Orthodox in large numbers. Beyond city limits, Thornhill has a good number as well.
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This article explains the difference between the different subsets of Orthodox Jews pretty well.

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As the survey carefully notes, though news reports often don’t, there are three distinct Orthodox communities in New York. The first, commonly known as Modern Orthodox, is marked by its ordinary dress and full integration into the life of the city and the overall Jewish community. Its income and education levels are slightly higher than those of non-Orthodox Jews. The other two Orthodox subgroups are commonly grouped together as Haredim or black-hats, but they are two distinct populations. The division follows the 250-year-old rift between mystically oriented Hasidim and their scholastic opponents, or misnagdim, variously known today as Litvaks, Lithuanians (in Israel) or Yeshivish (in New York Orthodox slang). Hasidim are best known for their ecstatic forms of worship and fervent devotion to their rebbes or grand rabbis. As the new survey shows, they’re also distinguished by high levels of household poverty (66% make under $50,000 per year), low levels of secular education (63% high school or less) and high birthrate (average 5.8 children per woman). Moreover, fewer Hasidim than other Orthodox Jews profess strong attachment to Israel (56%, compared to 82% among Yeshivish and 75% among Modern Orthodox). Chabad-Lubavitch Hasidim, though best known, are a small and atypical subgroup. They’re familiar mainly because they’re the only Hasidic group that regularly talks to non-Orthodox Jews. Yeshivish Jews more closely resemble Modern Orthodox and non-Orthodox Jews in education and income, though they’re closer to Hasidim in birthrate (5.0 for Yeshivish, 2.5 for Modern Orthodox, 1.3 for non-Orthodox. Statistical replacement level is 2.1). Yeshivish are also far less numerous than Hasidim. Of the 493,000 Orthodox Jews in the survey, Hasidim accounted for 239,000 or 48%, Yeshivish for 97,000 or 20%, and Modern Orthodox for 157,000 or 32%. Of course, the children are the future. The survey found 339,000 children under age 18 in the eight-county area, of whom 208,000 or 61% lived in Orthodox homes. Of those 208,000 Orthodox children, Hasidim made up 127,000 (61%), Yeshivish totaled 39,000 or 19%, and Modern Orthodox were 42,000 or 20%.

Read more: https://www.city-data.com/forum/gene...merican-2.html
https://forward.com/opinion/157785/t...#ixzz3zi5GW1sR
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Hasidim are just one type of ultra-Orthodox Judaism. Toronto doesn't really have Hasidim, who speak Yiddish. So no Outremont/Mile End equivalent exactly.

But there is certainly a large Orthodox Jewish population. They're most visible in the Bathurst-Lawrence area. That's where you see the black hat "Yesivish" Orthodox in large numbers. Beyond city limits, Thornhill has a good number as well.
Cool. Thanks for the clarification!
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I've read that Modern Orthodox are the wealthiest subset of the Jewish community.

Which makes sense. Very expensive lifestyle (parochial schools, kosher, premium to live near synagogues, frequent travel to Israel etc.). A lot of doctors and lawyers, less likely to encourage their kids to follow their passion and become writers, filmmakers etc.

Even within medicine, Orthodox Jews tend to be found in the very high-paying specialties. I've noticed this in Toronto, at least.
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A Jewish New York who moved to Toronto. Sees the main Orthodox neighborhood, Lawrence Manor, as comparable to Midwood, Brooklyn:

https://thecjn.ca/perspectives/phoebe-does-bathurst/

(Her old neighborhood, Upper West Side, is very uniquely NY, there's nothing really like it).
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A Jewish New York who moved to Toronto. Sees the main Orthodox neighborhood, Lawrence Manor, as comparable to Midwood, Brooklyn:

https://thecjn.ca/perspectives/phoebe-does-bathurst/

(Her old neighborhood, Upper West Side, is very uniquely NY, there's nothing really like it).
that doesnt look anything like midwood brooklyn lol, it looks more kind of like a very jewish long islandy type strip.

its interesting to see tho.
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How Squirrel Hill became the center of Jewish life in Pittsburgh:

https://www.publicsource.org/pittsbu...squirrel-hill/
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Birthplace of Canadian Jewish immigrants (by religion), 2021 Census:

Born in Canada 232,455 69.4%
Born outside Canada 102,480 30.6%

Israel 20,565
US 16,395
Russia 7,720
Ukraine 7,660
Morocco 7,255
South Africa 5,560
UK 4,385
France 2,795
Romania 2,340
Poland 2,335
Hungary 1,930
Belarus 1,915
Germany 1,750
Moldova 1,565
Uzbekistan 1,335

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A bit on Canadian Jewish internal migration. Montreal and Winnipeg Jews have been more likely to move, while Toronto and Vancouver have been recipients of internal migrants. Data only available for province but virtually all Jews in Quebec and Manitoba are in Montreal and Winnipeg, respectively while the vast majority of Jews in Ontario and BC are in Toronto and Vancouver, respectively. Vancouver/BC is largely made up of internal migrants.

Ontario Jews

Born in Quebec 14,695 7.6%
Born in Manitoba 2,355 1.2%

British Columbia Jews

Born in Ontario 2,835 10.8%
Born in Quebec 1,945 7.4%
Born in Manitoba 1,345 5.1%
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I know that Winnipeg's Jewish population has been on the decline since the early 70s, where it peaked at roughly 20,000 of a total population of 540,000 (roughly 4%) at the time.

Today, the Jewish population is around 12,000 people in a metro area of 875,000. (roughly 1.5%). I knew of many Winnipeg Jews in the 90s that relocated to mainly Toronto.

I think the estimated Jewish population of Canada is almost 400,000, or 4th in the World (US, Israel, and France have more Jews).
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2023, 10:55 PM
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Jewish population in 4 Canadian cities over time:

Montreal

1931 57,997
1971 112,010
2011 90,780

Toronto

1931 46,751
1971 107,020
2011 188,710

Winnipeg

1931 17,660
1971 18,960
2011 13,690

Vancouver

1931 2,458
1971 10,145
2001 26,255


*2021 Jewish population (religion + ethnic Jews of no religion) is not yet available.
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Canada appears to have a highly concentrated population, with few Jews outside of Toronto and Montreal. In the U.S., even random small metros far from the coasts like Tulsa and Baton Rouge will have small, but well organized communities, with significant institutions. Not sure if that's true in Sudbury and Saskatoon.
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Jewish population in 4 Canadian cities over time:

Montreal

1931 57,997
1971 112,010
2011 90,780

Toronto

1931 46,751
1971 107,020
2011 188,710

Winnipeg

1931 17,660
1971 18,960
2011 13,690

Vancouver

1931 2,458
1971 10,145
2001 26,255


*2021 Jewish population (religion + ethnic Jews of no religion) is not yet available.
Interesting to see the substantial drop for Montreal since the 70s, despite the metro area growing by ~1.5 million in that time period.
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Winnipeg's North End was famous as a hotbed of political radicalism and Yiddish culture. A lot of prominent Jews grew up there including Monty Hall, David Steinberg and CBC journalist Larry Zolf.

Interesting documentary about Jewish Winnipeg from the 1970s. You can see the transformation from working class to affluence, the move from the old North End to the city's most prestigious districts in the south end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qVpSn4Dv-A
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Interesting to see the substantial drop for Montreal since the 70s, despite the metro area growing by ~1.5 million in that time period.
An estimated 30,000 Jews left Quebec since the 1970s. Most moved to Toronto, at one time maybe a tenth of Toronto Jews were ex-Montrealers.
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Jewish population of Canada for 2021 is 405,015.

Interestingly Toronto has plateaued, Montreal is no longer declining and Winnipeg is growing again.

Jewish population, 2021

Toronto 186,900 3%
Montreal 90,255 2.1%
Vancouver 28,030 1.1%
Ottawa 15,000 1%
Winnipeg 13,940 1.7%
Calgary 9,300 0.6%
Victoria 4,385 1.1%
Halifax 2,735 0.6%

increase from 2021

Victoria +67%
Halifax +31%
Calgary +13%
Vancouver +9%
Ottawa +8%
Winnipeg +5%
Montreal +1%
Toronto +0.5%

https://thecjn.ca/podcasts/canadian-jewish-population/
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