General Phoenix Metro Discussion Thread - Page 108

Camelback · #**2141** Posted **Apr 3, 2021, 8:14 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obadno

New 5 c’s

Cows
Citrus
Copper
Cotton
Chips

6 C's

Cows
Citrus
Copper
Cotton
Chips
Climate

exit2lef · #**2142** Posted **Apr 3, 2021, 9:59 PM**

Alternative 6 C's:

condominium construction
credit cards
call centers

PHXFlyer11 · #**2143** Posted **Apr 4, 2021, 2:52 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by exit2lef

Alternative 6 C's:

condominium construction
credit cards
call centers

You lost me.

exit2lef · #**2144** Posted **Apr 4, 2021, 4:56 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by PHXFlyer11

You lost me.

Those items are more important to the state's contemporary economy than many of the traditional 5 or 6 C's. Cattle and cotton, for example, are not as important as they once were, and climate may become a negative if summers become longer, hotter, and drier.

Buckeye Native 001 · #**2145** Posted **Apr 4, 2021, 5:48 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by exit2lef

Alternative 6 C's:

condominium construction
credit cards
call centers

Quiet you! Nobody wants to confirm the reality of the state's economy.

Also, I thought there were now officially seven c's?

combusean · #**2146** Posted **Apr 4, 2021, 6:26 PM**

For a while Corruption was pretty high up there. AzScam, Alt Fuels, Mecham, Symington, probably all of the old Phoenix 40...probably forgetting some.

Buckeye Native 001 · #**2147** Posted **Apr 4, 2021, 6:59 PM**

Does Emprise count as part of the old Phoenix 40? Ned Warren?

I need to stop reading Talton...

exit2lef · #**2148** Posted **Apr 5, 2021, 12:39 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckeye Native 001

Quiet you! Nobody wants to confirm the reality of the state's economy.

Also, I thought there were now officially seven c's?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckeye Native 001

Does Emprise count as part of the old Phoenix 40? Ned Warren?

I need to stop reading Talton...

I'm glad some folks got the sort-of joke. I'm not a Talton fan and I don't see these things as intrinsically negative. I do see them as far more prominent in the state's economy than cotton or citrus these days.

Quote:

Originally Posted by combusean

For a while Corruption was pretty high up there. AzScam, Alt Fuels, Mecham, Symington, probably all of the old Phoenix 40...probably forgetting some.

I think that particular C was among the old ones all the way back to Kemper Marley. There haven't been nearly as many high-profile incidents of corruption over the past two decades, although there's been plenty of extremism and misconduct by individual legislators.

Buckeye Native 001 · #**2149** Posted **Apr 5, 2021, 1:41 AM**

It is what it is.

Would I like a more diversified economy? Absolutely.

Is what's happening right now a step in the right direction? You betcha.

Will anything ever be good enough to satisfy Talton? Hell no.

Obadno · #**2150** Posted **Apr 5, 2021, 3:27 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by combusean

For a while Corruption was pretty high up there. AzScam, Alt Fuels, Mecham, Symington, probably all of the old Phoenix 40...probably forgetting some.

Corruption? Compared to who? Most other states are far worse

PHXFlyer11 · #**2151** Posted **Apr 5, 2021, 3:46 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by exit2lef

Those items are more important to the state's contemporary economy than many of the traditional 5 or 6 C's. Cattle and cotton, for example, are not as important as they once were, and climate may become a negative if summers become longer, hotter, and drier.

I got what you were suggesting but not sure I agree Condos and Credit Cards have much to do with it. Apartments yes, condos not so much. Actually very disappointed in the lack of new condo construction.

combusean · #**2152** Posted **Apr 5, 2021, 3:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Obadno

Corruption? Compared to who? Most other states are far worse

Everyone in 2014.

#1 in 2014. https://ktar.com/story/94909/study-a...t-state-in-us/ , https://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-252B-5771

#4 in 2018. https://qz.com/1419802/which-state-i...res-a-ranking/

#3 in 2021. https://bgr.com/2021/01/18/most-corrupt-states-list/

exit2lef · #**2153** Posted **Apr 5, 2021, 4:45 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by PHXFlyer11

I got what you were suggesting but not sure I agree Condos and Credit Cards have much to do with it. Apartments yes, condos not so much. Actually very disappointed in the lack of new condo construction.

During the last real estate boom, a lot of apartment buildings were converted to condos. I wonder if we'll see that happen again.

PHXFlyer11 · #**2154** Posted **Apr 5, 2021, 4:48 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by combusean

Everyone in 2014.

#1 in 2014. https://ktar.com/story/94909/study-a...t-state-in-us/ , https://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-252B-5771

#4 in 2018. https://qz.com/1419802/which-state-i...res-a-ranking/

#3 in 2021. https://bgr.com/2021/01/18/most-corrupt-states-list/

With the exception of the WSJ article the others are not credible sources. Basically click bait articles that supposedly are using some data and calculation they deem valid but has no transparency and not commonly accepted for interpreting level of corruption. If those are the sources, then I'm fairly confident we're the one of the least corrupt.

Classical in Phoenix · #**2155** Posted **Apr 6, 2021, 4:12 AM**

Another corporate relocation. This one for the southwest valley.

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/...ource=facebook

PHXFlyer11 · #**2156** Posted **Apr 6, 2021, 4:20 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Classical in Phoenix

Another corporate relocation. This one for the southwest valley.

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/...ource=facebook

Seems to fit. More industrial in the south west valley, and tech in the east and now north Valley. Healthcare downtown and north valley.

combusean · #**2157** Posted **Apr 11, 2021, 7:04 PM**

Here's what 20 stories would have looked like in the Esplanade

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/75552763/

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/75552885/

xymox · #**2158** Posted **Apr 11, 2021, 7:11 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by combusean

Here's what 20 stories would have looked like in the Esplanade

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/75552763/

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/75552885/

Some great quotes: “you can’t attract Fortune 500 companies and put them in a 4 story building”

And then general concern about ‘traffic’ these buildings would bring to the area.

If they could only see what was going to happen instead - the demand for that type of office space pushed more development like that on that corner - bringing all the traffic anyhow...

combusean · #**2159** Posted **Apr 11, 2021, 9:38 PM**

And because I've never seen this before and finally had the idea to search for it ... this was Georges Schriqui's proposal for a 6 million square foot, 114-story tower on Central and Roosevelt. Schriqui could have done this had the city played ball--he had deep connections and lots of experience in Europe.

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/75560761/

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/75560908/

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/75563538/

It was later declared a hazard by the FAA for being over 1000' high, a competing proposal was in fact put up by a landowner in the project area of 3 45 story towers surrounding a one acre lake, but after the city wanted a "blank check" of $50,000 for earnest money and demanded he help pay for airport modifications that ended up happening anyways like the runway extensions that reconfigured 24th St and the third runway to the south for light aircraft.

The world's tallest building concept was scrapped for potentially smaller towers in February. But given that he was basically made a pariah and state and city leaders didn't lobby to work with the FAA as part of an "unstable political climate," the project was put on a "deep hold." Cultural differences were also at work--Europeans were have said to agree a project and do it, whereas Schriqui likely didn't like the death by committee and lawyers approach. After years of work, it was dead by 1990.

PHX31 · #**2160** Posted **Apr 12, 2021, 1:07 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by combusean

And because I've never seen this before and finally had the idea to search for it ... this was Georges Schriqui's proposal for a 6 million square foot, 114-story tower on Central and Roosevelt. Schriqui could have done this had the city played ball--he had deep connections and lots of experience in Europe.

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/75560761/

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/75560908/

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/75563538/

It was later declared a hazard by the FAA for being over 1000' high, a competing proposal was in fact put up by a landowner in the project area of 3 45 story towers surrounding a one acre lake, but after the city wanted a "blank check" of $50,000 for earnest money and demanded he help pay for airport modifications that ended up happening anyways like the runway extensions that reconfigured 24th St and the third runway to the south for light aircraft.

The world's tallest building concept was scrapped for potentially smaller towers in February. But given that he was basically made a pariah and state and city leaders didn't lobby to work with the FAA as part of an "unstable political climate," the project was put on a "deep hold." Cultural differences were also at work--Europeans were have said to agree a project and do it, whereas Schriqui likely didn't like the death by committee and lawyers approach. After years of work, it was dead by 1990.

That is awesome! Thanks! Kind of like seeing Big Foot.